LowerLevel
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I think I'd laugh and cry at the same time. P5 was my primary reason to get a Ps4 this year. Obviously happy to have the Ps4 because I've always owned 2+ systems every generation but that would sting a little...
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Phil Spencer: Fewer 3rd party exclusive deals in future; 1st party is the focus
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I think I'd laugh and cry at the same time. P5 was my primary reason to get a Ps4 this year. Obviously happy to have the Ps4 because I've always owned 2+ systems every generation but that would sting a little...
Chobel
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LOL!
He's also been up front when they aren't working on something. It's not just lip service.
So what are we to think about when Sony worked with Naughty Dog for 5 years before acquiring them? How about Guerilla, Evolution, Zipper, Studio Liverpool (Psygnosis), SuckerPunch, Cambridge (from the Millenium Interactive acquisition), Media Molecule, and any others I'm forgetting that make up most of Sony's first-party stable?
If you look back at the time between when they started development to when they were acquired there are years between those two events. It seems to me as if Sony likes to make "limp-wristed" investments too before going all in.
I think the big difference here is that gaming has been a core business to Sony for 3+ generations now, so they've been afforded much more freedom in their investments. If you're at all interested to learn about the fight the Xbox team has had to endure in their first generation just listen to the Podcast Unlocked episode with Spencer, Blackley, and Moore. I imagine you're probably aware of the dramatic shift Mattrick imposed in the late 360 years of doubling down on blockbusters, TV, and Kinect.
While they come from different backgrounds, and have different priorities, their approach to investing in new IP is pretty similar.
Steverulez
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So... what about all of the plenty of titles not in those franchises that they've released and are releasing? 2016 (and possibly beyond, depending on delays) already has Quantum Break, ReCore, Scalebound, Crackdown, Sea of Thieves as well as Gears, 4 new IPs and two returning franchises.
You can complain about the brand name but Horizon is quite different to Motorsport, they also did stuff like Ryse and Sunset Overdrive, Killer Instinct I could name more but you get the point.
When you have a big franchise... I can't think of any publisher that doesn't make sequels because people want them and if you don't given Fable & Gears have yet to turn up this gen, theres other stuff to play too.
Grimgrillz
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Is this because third party no longer wants to use their platform to reach the masses?
I think this "Xbox One only has Halo/Forza/Fable/Gears" has become the same thing as "PS4 as no games", so it's probably pointless respond to most of them, as indicated by pretty much all of the Xbox One threads in the past few months.
StrongBlackVine
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Getting outsold 2:1 will do that. Regardless of the true reason Xbox(in the long run) and industry in general will better off for this.
That minority should be investing elsewhere. I think the people who are so bitter about that are more angry about list wars and what the PS4 has than what they will actually buy come time.
It is going to be harder for MS in general, because PS4 is leading in sales not only with multiplatform Japanese games, but also Western games too. I recall the breakdown with franchises like Witcher, Dragon's Age, Batman etc were heavily skewed towards PS4 in the UK charts.
It's not just the sales in Japan, it's also the past sales performance of Japanese games on MS consoles outside of Japan which is causing Japanese publishers to ignore the X1.
Really, anyone who loves Japanese games but is an MS fanboy should really look at last gen's trend after 2009 to see that they are a minority.
Then again, they also have no one to blame other than MS for abandoning Mistwalker and pretty much killing off their first party jrpg development.
It's not just the sales in Japan, it's also the past sales performance of Japanese games on MS consoles outside of Japan which is causing Japanese publishers to ignore the X1.
Really, anyone who loves Japanese games but is an MS fanboy should really look at last gen's trend after 2009 to see that they are a minority.
Then again, they also have no one to blame other than MS for abandoning Mistwalker and pretty much killing off their first party jrpg development.
The situation with Xbox and japanese game is dificult, from what we are seeing the xbox will not get support for them except some more big games like Final Fantasy.
I think that Xbox must contact the japanese developers and offer them to pay the port cost of that games, to try to get some more japanese fanbase in the console, even that they likely end losing money.
Apoleptica
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Hopefully that means more new IP's.
Real reasons right here.
If Microsoft were dominating like they were with Xbox 360 (at least in the U.S.), then they wouldn't be saying that at all.
Goodacre0081
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most likely. I don't even think the Spencer changes have then effect yet, minus the big kinect/alwaysonline purge that needed to be done very quickly.
NoMoChokeSJ
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Why would they not focus on them? They are consistently successful franchises, that are also identified with the xbox brand. Not emphasizing them would be like Activision avoiding mentioning Call of Duty because some people on GAF are critical of the series.
That's not surprising
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Deleted member 471617
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343 Industries Halo series.
(Halo IS Xbox but it's not Bungie anymore and after Halo: MCC, even the hardcore Halo fans are at the very least concerned. Halo 5 should be great but it remains to be seen.)
Decisive Games Working on a "beloved" strategy game
(Hmmm, okay and that "beloved" game would be???? LOL.)
FIT Holobuilder/Minecraft on Microsoft HoloLens and Xbox One
(FUN)ction Studios Microsoft HoloLens and Xbox One
Good Science Studio Kinect Adventures, Kinect Fun Labs, Microsoft HoloLens and Xbox One
Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment Xbox Fitness
Launchworks - South Park Scott Tenorman's Revenge , South Park Let's Go Tower Defense Play!
Leap Experience Pioneers Working on HoloStudio, building your own holograms on Microsoft HoloLens and Xbox One
Microsoft Garage Voice Commander exclusively for Xbox One
Platform Next Studios Microsoft HoloLens and Xbox One
SOTA - State of The Art Studios MARS on Microsoft HoloLens
(Decided to just bunch all of the above together - LOL. Seriously, WTF??? Rare gets replaced by nine different development studious???)
Team Dakota Project Spark
(Don't care about Project Spark but at least it's a new and innovative IP so I can't say anything negative here.)
Turn 10 Studios Forza Motorsport series.
(Don't care about Forza but even I know that it's an excellent racing franchise.)
Twisted Pixel Games The Gunstringer, LocoCycle, The Maw,The Adventures of Captain Smiley 'Splosion Man series
Lift London Cloud digital games for tablets, Xbox consoles and mobiles
(LOL X2)
Lionhead Studios Fable series
(Yeah, instead of a brand new traditional Fable game, we get some kind of online MMO or whatever the hell it is??? And where the hell it is??? No one knows.)
Rare Ltd. Banjo-Kazooie series, Viva Piñata, Kameo: Elements of Power, Conker, Kinect Sports, Sea of Thieves.
(Poor Rare. Were great once. They we stuck making crappy Kinect games and now, they're making some kind of first person MMO??? Really? Out of all their IP's, this is what they decided to do?? UGH.)
Press Play Max: The Curse of Brotherhood, Tentacles, Kalimba
(Decent at best but at least im not laughing out loud this time.)
Mojang Minecraft
(Yeah, it sells zillions but like my friend used to tell me when I used to play Tetris and Intelligent Qube - "why's it so great, why's it so popular", "it's just BLOCKS"...lol)
The Coalition Gears of War series
(Gears of War is fucking awesome but Epic is long gone and the developer formerly known as Black Tusk has HUGE shoes to fill.....like with the Halo franchise, Xbox's arguably two biggest franchises are in the hands of questionable developers at best and yeah, everyone knows this is true...I know there's those who hate Bungie and/or Epic Games but come on.....Halo 5 and Gears of War 4 need to be fucking classics and better than the previous games in the franchise...otherwise, even the most loyal fans are going to lost interest and once that happens, it's over and done.)
BigPark Joy Ride series, Kinect Sports: Season Two
(LOL)
Replies in parenthesis. Sorry and I know that I'll probably get bashed for this but the above doesn't look good at all and even the most loyal and hardcore Xbox fans have to be at the very least concerned especially when it comes to Halo and Gears. Hell, how could any Xbox fan not be?
I know that it has nothing to do with the above list but I can't be the only one who looks at the above list and says..."yeah, it's not good but we have new exclusive IP's in Scalebound and Quantum Break as well as returning IP's such as Crackdown."
Nightengale
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Kagari said the TR deal was struck around June 2014, so after Spencer took over.
Starlord 84
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I actually like third party exclusives but not when they are those goofy ass timed exclusives. I'm talking stuff like FFX, Remake, Silent Hill 2, Gunvalkyrie, Metal Gear Solid, etc. that were on one console for a considerable amount of time.
AngryNapkin
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He can't rely on special third party deals because it's only going to get more and more expensive to secure titles with PS4 taking over 50% of the WW market. That number is only going to continue to grow.
It's smart because although MS is only known for Gears, Forza and Halo they do have IPs (Crackdown being the obvious example here). They will always get third party titles even if they went as far South as 30% of the market.
It's smart because although MS is only known for Gears, Forza and Halo they do have IPs (Crackdown being the obvious example here). They will always get third party titles even if they went as far South as 30% of the market.
Spencer himself outlined the deal and the reason for it. He felt like they needed an Uncharted beater for this year.
Don't act like he wasn't one of the ones responsible.
He's been at MS the entire time, he's not some new blood come in the fix all the wrong, he's trying to right a damaged ship, but he's also apart of that system and he's apart of many of the issues as well
MatrixMan.EXE
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There is no P5 delay.
Ryse, killer Instinct and Sea of Thieves aren't Xbox exclusives.
I don't believe QB or Sunset Overdrive will remain Xbox exclusive either.
Probably is referring to the SCEE schedule list showing P5 at 2016.
People should realize by now that when it comes to Atlus games, Europe generally loses out in the end.
This lineup is pretty disappointing to me personally, tbh. Not a whole lot here that appeals to me. Quantum Break is the only must-purchase, then Halo, Gears, Sea of Thieves, and Scalebound are all maybes.
Considering Spencer said at GDC that he wants people to start thinking of themselves as customers of Xbox Live, letting people choose what device they want to play on, I'd suspect it's only a matter of time before a Xbox game release is synonymous with a Windows 10 game release.
KI and SoT have been announced as Windows 10 exclusives. Considering the heavy online component I doubt they'll go anywhere unless they can keep their multiplayer component hooked into Xbox Live.
Good choice but it might be too little, too late. They had several years at the end of the 360 gen where they could have easily set up new studios, but they annoyingly didn't and just coasted by. We don't even know if Microsoft will bother with Xbox next gen so this might be way too late.
You thought the Tomb Raider backlash was bad? This one would break the internet and a lot of players would just write the game off of the series like they wrote Tales of Vesperia off (even if the game turned out well). The amount of seething hatred for Phil Spencer and Xbox would probably do more harm than good. Maybe a few people would buy xbones for it but they would hate themselves while doing it.
It doesn't help that Spencer is quoted saying just that in the very thing in the quote this thread is about. It's not like MS wants to lose that image.
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_/¯I think he meant to also get a Xbox version, not moneyhat the game,
I have no idea how people manage the mental gymnastics it takes to twist Phil Spencer into some maniacal two-faced sleazebag. Dude's one of the nicest, most authentic and likable figures in gaming right now. This whole "he's nothing but empty rhetoric" hogwash that people seem hellbent on hamfisting into the narrative is beyond ridiculous.
Shpeshal Nick
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Amazing how you took my post as a slight on Sony.
The cost to port the game might not be worth it to both parties considering Persona is a niche JRPG. With audience that's nearly entirely built inside Playstation.
Shpeshal Nick
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They're both sitting on unused IPs, I just think Microsoft is sitting on more of them. Not sure why people are getting defensive and taking that as a slight against Sony.
If Sony own 100 IPs and Microsoft owns 80 but Microsoft sits on 60 while Sony sits on 40, who is sitting on more?
God damn some of you.
The vast majority of these studios are exceedingly small and most are research studios for hololense with a few OC focused studios thrown in for good measure. Their investment in console focused studios has been limited to Coalition Studios who are now a dedicated Gears of War studio and the occasional hire at their existing studios. Nothing about their current studio investment indicates a marked increase in first party commitment.
Sony tends to invest in studios. They basically build them up via collaborative work, heavy investment and creative freedom effectively grooming and growing them before any acquisition takes place. See Q Games and Sucker Punch for example. Then, upon acquisition, they are afforded creative freedom and even greater support to pursue the projects that they want.
Meanwhil, contemporary MS prefers to buy IPs (See Mojang, Gears of War, Bungie with Halo, etc). MS is content to snatch up an ip like minecraft via acquiring the studio then either drop it like a bad habit if it doesn't prove successful for them (Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark) or farm them for all they are worth if they do (Gears, Halo). MS also likes to license development of owned IPs to non owned existing studios rather than commit to investing in their own staff to grow their unproven IP. Their aim here is the creation of a finished project with seemingly no regard for the growth or investment in the studio itself (see Phantom
Dust story or the developer hot potato they did with Crackdown for insight into their development mindset in licensed ip development). The two strategies could not possibly be further from each other.
SuperSonic1305
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lol if you really think Sony sits on less than half their ips.
Q Games is now a Sony owned Studio? Edit: Independent.
Nightengale
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What qualifies as early years for you?
Shpeshal Nick
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Oh Jesus Christ. Fucking ridiculous. If anything, my post was a slight on Microsoft and yet some of you have somehow twisted it into a slight on Sony. New levels of insanity going on in here.
He wasn't being literal. It was a fake example.
Nightengale
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Sony and MS sits on a lot of IPs, but the reality a lot of us aren't willing to accept is that some of those IPs are 6-feet-under as far as Sony/MS are concerned.
Be it a combination of the fact that maybe some of those IPs already ran their course, they have no intention of reviving it, or the original creators aren't interested to revisit them any longer, not every IP has a chance at revival.
Mang, I really wish Sony revives Baby Universe! /s
Be it a combination of the fact that maybe some of those IPs already ran their course, they have no intention of reviving it, or the original creators aren't interested to revisit them any longer, not every IP has a chance at revival.
Mang, I really wish Sony revives Baby Universe! /s
It doesn't help that Spencer is quoted saying just that in the very thing in the quote this thread is about. It's not like MS wants to lose that image.
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What image? The image painted by people on forums?
The ones who contribute to 95%+ of those games' sales love their Forza, Halo, Gears and are not people who sit on gaming forums and use lines such as "PS4 has no games" or "Halo/Forza/Gears/Fable is all Xbox has".
Muppet of a Man
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This is great because it means more new First Party IPs and a greater breadth and diversity of generally high quality IPs across platforms. Hoarding what should be multi platform games translates to the opposite in real terms.
You guys honestly thought that Japanese 3rd party publishers would put their games on a console which not only has a very low install base, but also in which most JRPG's have proven to not sell well on Xbox platforms (especially after what happened with Xbox 360)?
If anything, they'll look after other Japanese companies first before Western ones (i.e., Sony & Nintendo).
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