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[GFEric]

The PlayStation 3 was a huge poopy diarrhea dump covered in dick waffles when it launched, but Sony spent the last 7 years changing policies and adding features and making it better. Now GAF can't help but trip over itself running to the next PlayStation circle jerk.

But when Microsoft wants to make changes to Xbox One policies (before the damn thing even launches) people treat it like it somehow is a bad thing.

In 2-3 years BOTH systems are probably going to be vastly different from what we're talking about now before launch and everyone involved on both sides are going to look like huge douchy hypocrites.

 

[ekim]

Because the question lacks precision.

Not for me but that's ok. We will see how it will turn out eventually.

 

[SatansReverence]

The crazy thing is: Even without the word "goal", his statement could still corroborate the 3GB limit. This interpretation doesn't hinge on "goal".

What part of "no indie RAM limit" do you fail to understand?

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

Indie games are pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things

 

[LEGGZZZZ]

The PlayStation 3 was a huge poopy diarrhea dump covered in dick waffles when it launched, but Sony spent the last 7 years changing policies and adding features and making it better. Now GAF can't help but trip over itself running to the next PlayStation circle jerk.

But when Microsoft wants to make changes to Xbox One policies (before the damn thing even launches) people treat it like it somehow is a bad thing.

In 2-3 years BOTH systems are probably going to be vastly different from what we're talking about now before launch and everyone involved on both sides are going to look like huge douchy hypocrites.

Get that sensible logic out of here!

 

[Deleted member 80556]

That's great! Good news for indies. It seems to me that they have now a huge market with both consoles. I still think that they have a bigger market with Steam and the Humble Bundles and all that though.

The PlayStation 3 was a huge poopy diarrhea dump covered in dick waffles when it launched, but Sony spent the last 7 years changing policies and adding features and making it better. Now GAF can't help but trip over itself running to the next PlayStation circle jerk.

But when Microsoft wants to make changes to Xbox One policies (before the damn thing even launches) people treat it like it somehow is a bad thing.

In 2-3 years BOTH systems are probably going to be vastly different from what we're talking about now before launch and everyone involved on both sides are going to look like huge douchy hypocrites.

Jesus. There's so much wrong in this post.

I really hate how some have a persecution complex. Go back to the threads of those years. And then think about what's happening. This isn't about how "others are dissing poor MS for doing good, while praising Sony for anything", this is about how one company had to re build its consumers' trust after many fuck ups 6 years ago, and the same is happening to the company you're defending. So I kindly ask to anyone who's thinking about posting similarly to GFEric here: Be smarter, and look at the entire context of the industry before taking MS as a victim of forum posters instead of being the victim of their own mistakes.

Also, sorry for being off topic.

 

[oVerde]

Clearly they are still making it and don't have sure if it's possible, since debugging consumes RAM.

 

[hamchan]

After all that has happened the past few months you can't really blame anyone for not trusting what any Microsoft employee says.

 

[Y2Kev]

I think it's pretty clear that Microsoft is giving indies full access. If they don't, then we skewer them. But for now they are pretty clear.

 

[R3TRODYCE]

Steely Phil.

 

[KillGore]

Goal? lol that's the keyword

 

[harSon]

I'm glad I don't have thousands of people ready to comb every word of my sentences for potential wiggle room. Microsoft literally can't say anything without having an aspect of their wording/terminology put over a fire. It's deserved in some regards, but when even developers seemingly want the information to be false, you know things are getting ridiculous.

 

[Conor 419]

I think it's pretty clear that Microsoft is giving indies full access. If they don't, then we skewer them. But for now they are pretty clear.

Agreed.

 

[netBuff]

What part of "no indie RAM limit" do you fail to understand?

You're not reading closely: "No indie ram limit" doesn't exclude a 3GB limit (like all other "Windows RT-side" apps).

 

[Respawn]

If they really pivoted this point on the word "Goal" and it really means "well we couldn't meet our goal in the end, so indies don't get full access after all", I think it'd be about time to write a book on the nuances of Microsoft's neverending train wreck and they way they have used language to manipulate consumers.

Its just tiring watching this shit from them

 

[Bsigg12]

You're not reading closely: "No indie ram limit" doesn't exclude a 3GB limit (like all other "Windows RT-side" apps).

We have no idea where they're being allowed to pull from. There is the Cboat thing but like others stated to me, a lot of this could be in flux until Gamescom. Based on Spencer's tweet, it's access to the full system, not just the windows os partition.

 

[EDarkness]

The lengths some of you guys go to in order to twist positive news into negative news... smdh

How so? If it was set in stone, there wouldn't be a "goal". He would have said straight up this is the situation, but the what it's phrased makes it seem like there's doubt it'll end up that way.

 

[PG2G]

I love how people's biases effect their interpretation of stuff like this

 

[Jinfash]

Now we're getting hung up on the world "goal"? Come on guys.

 

[LukasTaves]

You're not reading closely: "No indie ram limit" doesn't exclude a 3GB limit (like all other "Windows RT-side" apps).

It does when they are saying that in comparison to the system resources available to developers backed by publishers.

 

[Ol No Bones]

I think it's pretty clear that Microsoft is giving indies full access. If they don't, then we skewer them. But for now they are pretty clear.

Thank you.

 

[Tashi]

Indie games are pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things

Uhhh yes they are relevant.

 

[trmas]

Goal is the kind of word I use when looking at something to try for the next year in evaluations. It may come eventually, but not if the Bone actually does well and establishes a foothold.

They will keep it in their back pocket, just like the DRM issue. Funny thing is, everyone will forget about it in the next six months. If so, don't expect to ever see it.

Have none of you ever worked for a tech company before?

 

[eorl]

So much negativity for something so positive. Why do this to yourselves? I'm happy that indie developers are finally getting proper (and official) support for console development.

 

[Bsigg12]

Goal is the kind of word I use when looking at something to try for the next year in evaluations. It may come eventually, but not if the Bone actually does well and establishes a foothold.

They will keep it in their back pocket, just like the DRM issue. Funny thing is, everyone will forget about it in the next six months. If so, don't expect to ever see it.

Have none of you ever worked for a tech company before?

This will be something they push out as soon as it is ready. Indies will play a huge part early on in both the PS4 and XBO in filling physical release droughts.

 

[Bad_Boy]

maybe this is what the ps4 ram rumor is about? ps4 limiting indie devs on ram?

though thus far, that would be very unlike sony.

 

[Cartman86]

maybe this is what the ps4 ram rumor is about? ps4 limiting indie devs on ram?

though thus far, that would be very unlike sony.

That would have also leaked with all the indie devs already working with PS4 dev kits.

 

[nib95]

Lol, what's written in the OP is not what he said at all. Key word here being "goal". But you never know, they might allow full access just to avoid the fallout. Though based on CBoat, doesn't seem like it at the moment.

 

[nib95]

Come on...
http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/microsoft-confirms-self-publishing-on-xbox-one/1100-4696/

Sounds like more bullshit or half truth to me. Respawn are using dev kits with 12GB of ram, I don't see how anyone buying a retail kit could unlock that lol.

 

[Satchel]

Spanish Eurogamer Tweets: GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

 

[sleeping_dragon]

Goal? wtf is that suppose to mean?

 

[Doug Heffernan]

My goodness, you guys...

yup, haters gonna hate

 

[RedAssedApe]

He doesn't actually confirm it though. Saying its a goal just gives them an out/built-in excuse if that isn't the reality.

But people making a fuss is good...means if there is a restriction we can make them backpedal some more with our pissing and moaning lol

 

[SatansReverence]

Sounds like more bullshit or half truth to me. Respawn are using dev kits with 12GB of ram, I don't see how anyone buying a retail kit could unlock that lol.

That 3gb OS reserve? Yeah, it could easily be used for the dev environment

 

[MikeE21286]

Indie ram limit?

Is this a rumor?

How ridiculous would that be :lol

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Well it's good to set goals...

 

[PFD]

That's a silly question to begin with

 

[RedAssedApe]

Indie ram limit?

Is this a rumor?

How ridiculous would that be :lol

cboat. that and your usual dev. kit is more powerful than consumer console.

 

[MikeE21286]

cboat. that and your usual dev. kit is more powerful than consumer console.

Ohhhh shiiiiitttt

#TeamCBOAT

How absurd

 

[Harlock]

You can use all the ram you wish, since your game work in the Windows 8 layer too.

 

[Orca]

Indie ram limit?

Is this a rumor?

How ridiculous would that be :lol

Indie Ram Limit is the name of nib's underground ska band.

 

[KageMaru]

Memory access is one thing, are they going to limit any access to the CPU or gpu?

 

[halogamer]

I doubt it, What would be the point of regular devkits if every retail box was already one?

 

[Barzul]

You're not reading closely: "No indie ram limit" doesn't exclude a 3GB limit (like all other "Windows RT-side" apps).

A 3gb limit is still a limit, he said "no indie limit". It doesn't get much clearer than that.

 

[Fletcher]

I doubt it, What would be the point of regular devkits if every retail box was already one?

That's kind of the point. Then everyone would have a devkit and could potentially make an indie game.

 

[Neuromancer]

Indie games are pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things

They're relevant to just about anyone who plays games.

 

[BigDug13]

The lengths some of you guys go to in order to twist positive news into negative news... smdh

The lengths Microsoft goes to in order to spin negative news into something positive....smdh

It goes both ways my friend. There's a reason why people are super cynical when it comes to MS statements.

 

[killer rin]

Called it. There is no reason why they wouldn't allow indies to use the full pool. Hell, even XNA allowed you to use 90% of the 512mb on the 360 (OS overhead and whatnot)

 

[Pop]

I had goals too...

 

[BigDug13]

What part of "no indie RAM limit" do you fail to understand?

Because, there's "no indie RAM limit" (on the Windows partition of the XBO.( which has a total RAM allocation of 3GB))

If what I said is how it goes down, his statement is still technically "true" from a certain point of view.