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YTD October
2023 PS5 ~4.24 m
2023 XBS ~2.19 m

2016 PS4 ~2.41 m
2016 XBO ~2.22 m


LTD (After 36 months)
PS5 ~16.16m
PS4 ~14.83m
XBO ~13.33m
XBS ~11.86 m

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[GHG]

Doing worse than the Xbox One is a career moment for Phil.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Doing worse than the Xbox One is a career moment for Phil.

 

[LordOfChaos]

That's kind of insane. I thought the Xbox One was a dreary generation for it.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I was never expecting it to do worse than X2 to be honest.

With that said I'm impressed with how much Sony has improved in the US.

 

[Crayon]

That's kind of insane. I thought the Xbox One was a dreary generation for it.

It was and we're seeing some of the fallout from that now as normies pick their next console

 

[Interfectum]

 

[mansoor1980]

 

[The Pleasure]

Hope Phil keeps making Xbox smaller.

 

[Ozriel]

Doing worse than the Xbox One three years into the generation is a disaster.

Price cut + heavy bundling might be the best way out. Not to mention more aggressive deals for content.

Gap will only widen this Christmas after the Spiderman bundle starts doing the work.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Never forget. Stay humble

 

[T4keD0wN]

Theyve told people they can play anywhere and to their disappointment they did.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Doing worse than the Xbox One three years into the generation is a disaster.

Price cut + heavy bundling might be the best way out. Not to mention more aggressive deals for content.

Gap will only widen this Christmas after the Spiderman bundle starts doing the work.

Didn't some say that Xbox is doing better?

Don't remember the metrics they were using though.

 

[Topher]

XS is -11% XBO?

 

[Sanepar]

YTD October
2023 PS5 ~4.24 m
2023 XBS ~2.19 m

2016 PS4 ~2.41 m
2016 XBO ~2.22 m


LTD (After 36 months)
PS5 ~16.16m
PS4 ~14.83m
XBO ~13.33m
XBS ~11.86 m

This ltd of xbs already prove that is impossible for xbs to be above 23 mi since us represents more than 50% of their market share.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Didn't some say that Xbox is doing better?

Don't remember the metrics they were using though.

 

[JTCx]

 

[SEGAvangelist]

That's kind of insane. I thought the Xbox One was a dreary generation for it.

Xbox One sold a lot early in spite of the announce and launch drama. It even outsold the PS4 in the U.S. for a couple of months. Sales started going really south after the first few holiday seasons, IIRC.

 

[German Hops]

How is this possible when PS5 supplies started off so scarce?

 

[Pop]

Well there's really no reason to own an Xbox console. Microsoft is giving you every ability to play their games without owning their home console. They might say it matters to them but in reality it doesn't.

Xbox wants engagement first and foremost

 

[DeepEnigma]

Xbox wants engagement first and foremost

 

[Pelta88]

They’re on the way to defend this collapse.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Xbox wants engagement first and foremost

That can be a problem though.

 

[Unknown?]

Dang! Xone was close to PS4 until the end of the gen. PS5 is widening it considerably in their market that's 50%+ of their worldwide sells.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Doing worse than the Xbox One three years into the generation is a disaster.

Price cut + heavy bundling might be the best way out. Not to mention more aggressive deals for content.

Gap will only widen this Christmas after the Spiderman bundle starts doing the work.

Surprised they haven't been more aggressive with price going into the holiday, but I guess there is still some time to make a move.

I think the problem is the cost of GamePass, particularly post-Zenimax + ABK. They have a lot of studios and a lot of studios means a lot of operating expenses.

When these games don't sell well enough and don't generate enough profit because they can't sell well enough or generate enough profit because GamePass strips them of their B2P sales, they end up paying royalties on PC sales, and because the XBS isn't selling enough units, they're going to cut back on these studios or cut the XBS.

They can't cost the price of hardware units because they're already taking a significant loss on hardware units and people aren't buying enough software on the hardware to offset the cost and they aren't buying subscriptions in large enough numbers to warrant it.

Vicious cycle

 

[Wooxsvan]

not great. wonder if Phil is getting ready to say peace out.

 

[phant0m]

Doing worse than the Xbox One three years into the generation is a disaster.

Price cut + heavy bundling might be the best way out. Not to mention more aggressive deals for content.

Gap will only widen this Christmas after the Spiderman bundle starts doing the work.

too late at this point tbh. they needed to undercut soony 12 months ago if they really wanted to make gains. but a lot of people have PS5 already and tbh there's not really reason to buy an Xbox if you have one.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Dang! Xone was close to PS4 until the end of the gen. PS5 is widening it considerably in their market that's 50%+ of their worldwide sells.

It wasn't. This is only the first 36 months. The PS4 started to distance itself from the X1 and the PS5 is just continuing that.

Microsoft hasn't given enough X1 users a reason to upgrade and when they look for a new system they ask themselves if they should stick with the Xbox, and they're saying no.

At the same time, Microsoft hasn't given new consumers a reason to buy the XBS over the PS5.

A lot of people shit on Sony for PSVR2 not flying off the shelves, but it's a reason to own a PS5. Spider-Man 2 is a reason to own a PS5. God of War is a reason to own a PS5. Final Fantasy is a reason to own a PS5.

 

[Kilau]

This is just NA, surely WW Xbox Series is way ahead, way way ahead.

 

[DeepEnigma]

not great. wonder if Phil is getting ready to say peace out.

They'll be buying UbiSoft after the 10 year cLoUd BS (mark this for 2030-2033 if we're all here), or at the very least, the rights back. Scoop up IPs/studios on the "Embracer Group" scam in the meantime. Maybe even a Sega or two.

 

[graywolf323]

They’re on the way to defend this collapse.

 

[fallingdove]

This is just NA, surely WW Xbox Series is way ahead, way way ahead.

Led by their big increase in Japan, no doubt.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

not great. wonder if Phil is getting ready to say peace out.

I thought he would get canned if the ABK deal fell through (I guess technically it still could), but that probably bought him some time. 18-24 months maybe.

But is there anything on the horizon that will change his fortunes for the better in the next 18-24 months? You have the PS5 Pro and a potential Sony reaction to the ABK deal. And then you have Wolverine and TLOU Season 2 on HBO. You probably have the Ghost of Tsushima movie coming out next year or in 2025.

Avowed and Hellblade are not going to change his fortunes.

 

[Krieger]

If it's already this bad, how disastrous will things look for Microsoft once the PS5 Pro and Switch 2 are out? Possible LTD of -30%?

 

[Gudji]

Doing worse than the Xbox One is a career moment for Phil.

"Time to buy another publisher"

 

[Mibu no ookami]

If it's already this bad, how disastrous will things look for Microsoft once the PS5 Pro and Switch 2 are out? Possible LTD of -30%?

The only hope he has is that the PS5 Pro is a dud either technically or by virtue of its price in conjunction with the shape of the economy.

If Sony does manage to put out a 600-dollar PS5 Pro and drops the price of the base PS5 to 400 and the digital to 350, there really isn't any competing with that unless the PS5 Pro fails to deliver technically.

 

[Woopah]

That's kind of insane. I thought the Xbox One was a dreary generation for it.

It was and we're seeing some of the fallout from that now as normies pick their next console

Doing worse than the Xbox One three years into the generation is a disaster.

Price cut + heavy bundling might be the best way out. Not to mention more aggressive deals for content.

Gap will only widen this Christmas after the Spiderman bundle starts doing the work.

First 3 years were pretty good for Xbox One in the US. It was selling pretty close to the PS4 and outsold it July-October 2016

Things really turned around after Sony released the PS4 Pro and stepped up it's first party efforts.

 

[Unknown?]

If it's already this bad, how disastrous will things look for Microsoft once the PS5 Pro and Switch 2 are out? Possible LTD of -30%?

Yeah PS5 will continue to excel and Switch 2 will take all of the mindshare in the media. Next year will be worse.

 

[squarealex]

When you know almost half of Series was Series S...

 

[Horseganador]

We have 2:1 during 2023...and there is November and December left, we can end up with numbers close to 3:1 in the USA, a total debacle for Xbox.

 

[NikuNashi]

Calling in a welfare check on Phil. This is looking very bad.

 

[damidu]

lol don mattrick was too much for these morons.

spend 100billion more to fail worse, career moment for sure

 

[Unknown?]

When you know almost half of Series was Series S...

Imagine if they only had Series X, it'd probably be close to half what it is now.

 

[dem]

Microsoft should probably advertise their console at some point..
I cant even remember the last time I saw an Xbox commercial.

Was there even Starfield commercials? I don't remember seeing any.

I think the last commercial I saw that featured Xbox was like... Back4Blood. No shit.

 

[Roxkis_ii]

I'll caveat by saying I could be completely speaking out my ass, but man, it really seems like the hardware and software teams for the Xbox are beefing, because the software team is trying everything they can to make the Xbox hardware unimportant. And they doing a good job of it.

 

[MatrixReloaded101]

This console gen is pretty much a wash for Xbox and I think they are waiting for the start of the new one.

Next year they are suppose to release more big first party games but I doubt that will help at this point.

 

[Bernoulli]

Never forget. Stay humble

 

[arkhamguy123]

That's kind of insane. I thought the Xbox One was a dreary generation for it.

It was

 

[damidu]

This console gen is pretty much a wash for Xbox and I think they are waiting for the start of the new one.

Next year they are suppose to release more big first party games but I doubt that will help at this point.

oh man, it was "wait for next year" for the last 15 years. now the fanboys need to wait for another whole gen?!