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[kaizoku]

Cool, but I'm not interested in her story. I'm interested in the hostility of tech events to women. She responded badly, but she responded to the status quo.

Is there a very serious problem here? I'm not sure and I certainly don't think tech events nowadays are particularly hostile? There's an imbalance of genders but that's to do with culture, education etc and will take time to swing around.

In this case she acted like a bitch and the response was very hostile online and has gone sexual, but that would've happened if a man had angered the Internet as well. Rape gets thrown around online to men as well, as does the word bitch.

I think the only things that have happened exclusively because she's a woman are her position as some kind of pro-woman in tech figurehead and arguably her self righteous reaction to dongle jokes. I think if a man had done this everything would've been the same apart from the ridiculous blog history?

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Is there a very serious problem here? I'm not sure and I certainly don't think tech events nowadays are particularly hostile? There's an imbalance of genders but that's to do with culture, education etc and will take time to swing around.

I think the technology sector seems to attract mostly progressive types who might be a bit more sensitive than the average to issues of racism or sexism around them and they tend to blame the symptoms instead of the disease. This is a good example of that. If a woman goes to a tech conference is she likely to be a minority and perhaps not marketed to? Yes, probably. But does that mean the tech conference is sexist?.

 

[Zaph]

She's done a lot of damage to rep of women in tech here, because she comes across as a bitch who's primary interest is starting fires, driving traffic to her blog and her publicity channels. She's built a whole thing off of being a girl in tech, she's using it as her USP or something. She'll probably use this new found fame to profit off her sexuality in some way.

She's seems incredibly annoying, self-righteous and stubborn. This is not how you earn equality and respect for yourself, never mind on behalf of all women in tech.

No, she hasn't. Most people in the real world know that assholes can belong to either sex. People who do believe a single chest-beating idiot damaged the "reputation of women in tech" (whatever that means) probably had an agenda to begin with.

 

[Polari]

As far as the dudes go, making "big dongle" jokes. Unfunny? Yes. Unprofessional? Definitely. Sexist? No. If they were making jokes about their "big dongle" and female presenter, sure, but just a stupid little joke about the word "dongle"?

...and then to "name and shame" them on Twitter. Yeah, that's the adult thing to do in this situation. Considering her job was developer relations, and there seem to be a fair few people in the industry (women included) that think she's an idiot, sounds like firing her was the correct decision. Not to mention that since she hasn't been above making crude sexual jokes in the past (that for the record, I don't think are in anyway offensive), her actions seem very hypocritical.

 

[daycru]

Her comments on racism are hilarious. My first ever racist event was two black kids about 4 years older than me, throwing a pop can at my head and calling me racial slurs in elementary. Anyone and everyone can be racist if they choose to be.

*insert nine paragraph word salad about how it doesn't count*

 

[moka]

I've been pretty harsh on Adria in this thread but I've just read this article on Venture Beat and it's pretty sad.

She replied to an email essentially asking her what she's going to do now with:

I’m staying safe.

She's been receiving death threats, rape threats and lots of other terrible, terrible messages.

As stupid as her actions were at the conference, no one deserves this.

 

[Yopis]

I've been pretty harsh on Adria in this thread but I've just read this article on Venture Beat and it's pretty sad.

She replied to an email essentially asking her what she's going to do now with:



She's been receiving death threats, rape threats and lots of other terrible, terrible messages.

As stupid as her actions were at the conference, no one deserves this.

With recent events (staying safe ) can't be taken at face value. Does she have friends at Venturebeat? The slant of that article makes it seem like a poor little girl was shamed by the evil male tech masters. Guy lost his job because she could not act like an adult. Both parties were wrong but she is not a sympathetic figure sorry VB.

 

[reggieandTFE]

Is there a very serious problem here? I'm not sure and I certainly don't think tech events nowadays are particularly hostile? There's an imbalance of genders but that's to do with culture, education etc and will take time to swing around.

In this case she acted like a bitch and the response was very hostile online and has gone sexual, but that would've happened if a man had angered the Internet as well. Rape gets thrown around online to men as well, as does the word bitch.

I think the only things that have happened exclusively because she's a woman are her position as some kind of pro-woman in tech figurehead and arguably her self righteous reaction to dongle jokes. I think if a man had done this everything would've been the same apart from the ridiculous blog history?

You're decision to still casually throw around the word bitch says more than any other post in this thread.

 

[moka]

With recent events (staying safe ) can't be taken at face value. Does she have friends at Venturebeat? The slant of that article makes it seem like a poor little girl was shamed by the evil male tech masters. Guy lost his job because she could not act like an adult. Both parties were wrong but she is not a sympathetic figure sorry VB.

I agree, the slant of that article does seem rather peculiar and "staying safe" can't be taken at face value but still, no one deserves rape and death threats for anything; unless their murderers or rapists, then they're a little more justifiable, I think.

 

[akira28]

Her twitter has 13000 followers. Do you really say that the joke of the 2 guys was heard by more than 13000 people?

jimi, the point was workplace behavior, not prudery because someone doesn't like dirty jokes. And the point wasn't the number of people who heard the joke. Anything that could be related to sex or gender inequality, "pornographic" names, double entendre, whatever. If she doesn't like it, she just might do something about it. She's not nice, she's not polite, but she isn't inherently wrong. Wrong here? I'm leaning towards yes, but that's a debate that could be had, part of a bigger one with chairs eventually being thrown. so.

 

[MC Safety]

I've been pretty harsh on Adria in this thread but I've just read this article on Venture Beat and it's pretty sad.

Internet justice is disgusting. But when you actively seek it, you shouldn't be "bewildered" when you get it.

 

[Wolves Evolve]

There is no hostility against women in general, there's hostility against her though.

There is a great deal of hostility in general. I've run tech events, and participated in them for 15 years, in four countries.

A great deal of hostility.

Notifying the admins in private, or asking the jokers to be quiet would've been responding to the status quo.

It's still responding. Her methods got her fired. But she responded to a big problem. I won't lecture anybody on how they should personally respond to a widespread problem.

Is there a very serious problem here? I'm not sure and I certainly don't think tech events nowadays are particularly hostile? There's an imbalance of genders but that's to do with culture, education etc and will take time to swing around.

There is a very serious problem here. They are exceedingly hostile and nothing is changing. All this apparently overwhelming feminist activity is a drop in the ocean of misogyny and hostility I've seen over two decades in four countries at at least 50 tech and games events.



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Every time a woman speaks up in tech or games about sexism, they are threatened with rape and abused, diminished and bashed by idiots. Some will argue that's normal and part of the internet culture we have. Some have argued that in this thread. I don't accept it is normal but I accept it is common. That's not the hostility I have a problem with.

The hostility I have a problem with is the everyday diminishing hostility of men who observe, witness or hear about sexism and put the onus on the woman to respond in a correct way. It is that hostility which makes games and tech the cultural backwater it is, and it is getting worse. We are becoming more like the comics industry, and the car industry, and less like an art or entertainment industry. I'm old and I've seen a lot and I'm telling everybody under 25 here that there is a serious slide going on, and sexism is a big part of the rotten core of it. We're always instructing women on the proper way to interpret the insults of other men towards them.

I don't want to hear what Adria should have done. It's all just an image. It doesn't matter. I don't care about her or the men behind her. I care about the communities and events I take part in. And they're poorer. They're poorer every day.

John Koetsier at VB said this:

What does this mean for women in the future who try to take a stand (whether right or not)? What do you do now if you are a woman in technology and you feel harassed or abused and want to shine a light on it, but now see this prominent woman totally abandoned by her company?
I’ll tell you what you do, unless you’re a saint or a hero. You shut up. You put your head down. You grin and bear it, because it’s a man’s world. And you leave, eventually, for a better place.
And we’re all poorer as a result.

Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/22/adria-richards-im-staying-safe/#elOgGvFbbpqFkfBy.99

So many here blame Adria for the dude's firing. Not his company. That actually fired him.

I've been running events and giving my heart and soul to tech and games cultures since I was a teenager. I've tried to add to my communities where I can. I've never felt more alienated than I have these last few weeks - and it's all people's reactions to Anita S's video release and now this. Part of it is on NeoGAF and dumb comment sections, but some of it is in places where writing is supposed to be more considered. Some of it is my friends. I've been told to relax, that I'm a politically correct thug, that I shouldn't care about women in tech because 'its just education and not a culture problem'.

Right now I don't feel like pouring my heart and soul and wallet into communities and cultures that exclude half of humanity. I don't want to make places that are hostile. I want to make places that fight the hostility outside. But with so many men willing to put bad faith in women at the moment, I don't feel like that's possible for me anymore.

 

[AlimNassor]

It's a sad thing she's getting death/rape threats, but, that's pretty much it, idle threats made by basement dwelling keyboard warriors on 4chan. /pol/ is pretty much a field day for kids looking to scream racial slurs without getting in trouble. I'll understand the logic of making her out to be a persecuted saint fighting for all women, a victim of the patriarchy. The men weren't making any jokes directed towards her, they apologized afterwards as well, but, she never once asked them to stop. As a man maybe I just don't understand anything, I just don't see this or her as a crusader for women's rights. =/

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Internet justice is disgusting. But when you actively seek it, you shouldn't be "bewildered" when you get it.

She actively asked for rape and death threats? Great!

It's a sad thing she's getting death/rape threats, but, that's pretty much it, idle threats made by basement dwelling keyboard warriors on 4chan. /pol/ is pretty much a field day for kids looking to scream racial slurs without getting in trouble

That is easy to say until you are the woman receiving rape and death threats.

 

[dragonelite]

I agree, the slant of that article does seem rather peculiar and "staying safe" can't be taken at face value but still, no one deserves rape and death threats for anything; unless their murderers or rapists, then they're a little more justifiable, I think.

Backslash of the internet. Its a shitty place her plan probably involved the internet sending those threats to the developers. Or the company they worked for. Hope that this is a lesson for folks that think social media is the way to approach problems. Instead of confronting them yourself.

 

[moka]

She actively asked for rape and death threats? Great!

What I think he meant was she fully well knew what she was doing was wrong and was surely expecting a backlash. Please don't twist words.

Backslash of the internet. Its a shitty place her plan probably involved the internet sending those threats to the developers. Or the company they worked for. Hope that this is a lesson for folks that think social media is the way to approach problems. Instead of confronting them yourself.

I agree, this wouldn't even be a thing if she just told the two guys what she felt instead of broadcasting it to the world.

I wouldn't be surprised to see this on BBC news tomorrow to be honest.

 

[moka]

Ignore.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

They all deserved to be fired? Jokes about dongles is qualification for being fired? Come on

You know what, I think you're right. I'm not going to edit my comment but I'll say now that they don't "deserved" to get fired for a weak joke. Poor choice of words on my part. I'll simply say I'm not surprised they got fired.

She went bitching and HR will fire people at the FIRST mention of inappropriate behavior. No questions asked. Knowing that, why bother to make the joke in public at a conference? There's always a "sensitive" person that takes offense to petty shit at work. And until you know who that person is, keep it above board.

But that's just my take on it. She overreacted. Which isn't surprising to have a person overreact in the workplace.

 

[Tacitus_]

I'm old and I've seen a lot and I'm telling everybody under 25 here that there is a serious slide going on, and sexism is a big part of the rotten core of it. We're always instructing women on the proper way to interpret the insults of other men towards them.

But they didn't insult her, or women in general. They were joking about big dongles to each other, which Adria happened to overhear.

 

[MC Safety]

She actively asked for rape and death threats? Great!

This is neither what I meant nor even close to what I said.

 

[jimi_dini]

jimi, the point was workplace behavior

If we really say that this conference was actually "workplace". Then since when is it okay to take pictures of people without their consent and post them on the internet? Especially at a so called workplace? Isn't that "inappropriate workplace behavior" as well? And even using the so called "private twitter" account for that. So she used the workplace time for private stuff? Or did she do that stuff on worktime? Which would mean that her twitter account would have to be considered work-related.

 

[dragonelite]

She actively asked for rape and death threats? Great!

.

Not aimed at her but knowing people like her the aim was to have all that internet anger go to the developers. If the internet is angry they will threaten with rape and death and if you want to direct those threats don't come crying when it misfires.

"One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated."

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Yea, Adria over reacted.

Playhaven and SendGrid acted stupidly.

None of this justifies the threats Adria has been receiving.

Not aimed at her but knowing people like her the aim was to have all that internet anger go to the developers. If the internet is angry they will threaten with rape and death and if you want to direct those threats don't come crying when it misfires.

"One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated."

I am trying to find examples where men were threatened with Rape because Internet justice. At this point we are basically saying "She was asking for it", which is the number 1 defense for people accused of rape.

If nothing else, this thread shows how the tech scene is like the boy's locker room club.

 

[Stet]

There is a great deal of hostility in general. I've run tech events, and participated in them for 15 years, in four countries.

A great deal of hostility.



It's still responding. Her methods got her fired. But she responded to a big problem. I won't lecture anybody on how they should personally respond to a widespread problem.



There is a very serious problem here. They are exceedingly hostile and nothing is changing. All this apparently overwhelming feminist activity is a drop in the ocean of misogyny and hostility I've seen over two decades in four countries at at least 50 tech and games events.



...



Every time a woman speaks up in tech or games about sexism, they are threatened with rape and abused, diminished and bashed by idiots. Some will argue that's normal and part of the internet culture we have. Some have argued that in this thread. I don't accept it is normal but I accept it is common. That's not the hostility I have a problem with.

The hostility I have a problem with is the everyday diminishing hostility of men who observe, witness or hear about sexism and put the onus on the woman to respond in a correct way. It is that hostility which makes games and tech the cultural backwater it is, and it is getting worse. We are becoming more like the comics industry, and the car industry, and less like an art or entertainment industry. I'm old and I've seen a lot and I'm telling everybody under 25 here that there is a serious slide going on, and sexism is a big part of the rotten core of it. We're always instructing women on the proper way to interpret the insults of other men towards them.

I don't want to hear what Adria should have done. It's all just an image. It doesn't matter. I don't care about her or the men behind her. I care about the communities and events I take part in. And they're poorer. They're poorer every day.

John Koetsier at VB said this:



So many here blame Adria for the dude's firing. Not his company. That actually fired him.

I've been running events and giving my heart and soul to tech and games cultures since I was a teenager. I've tried to add to my communities where I can. I've never felt more alienated than I have these last few weeks - and it's all people's reactions to Anita S's video release and now this. Part of it is on NeoGAF and dumb comment sections, but some of it is in places where writing is supposed to be more considered. Some of it is my friends. I've been told to relax, that I'm a politically correct thug, that I shouldn't care about women in tech because 'its just education and not a culture problem'.

Right now I don't feel like pouring my heart and soul and wallet into communities and cultures that exclude half of humanity. I don't want to make places that are hostile. I want to make places that fight the hostility outside. But with so many men willing to put bad faith in women at the moment, I don't feel like that's possible for me anymore.

All of this is well written and has a lot of excellent points, save for the fact that in this case she really wasn't responding to anything hostile or sexist. I don't think this story has anything to do with Anita Sarkeesian, but that's my opinion as a Sarkeesian supporter who doesn't want to see the idea of sexism in the videogames / tech industry muddied any more than it's already been by the people who'd like to keep the status quo.

There are a few things that are objective, however:

1) She felt offended by what people were saying.
2) Rather than teach those people a lesson about proper etiquette by confronting them, she appealed to her own online echo chamber.
3) Playhaven responded in an overwhelmingly stupid way by firing the developer in question.
4) The Internet responded in an overwhelmingly stupid way by DDOSing, threatening and generally being a nuisance to her.
5) None of the Internet's reaction can be attributed to videogame industry insiders, nor does it reflect poorly on what it's like to work in the industry as a woman -- these are mentally disturbed individuals who have nothing better to do than enact their own crude sense of justice where none is needed.
6) SendGrid responded in an overwhelmingly stupid way by firing her.

Numbers 3, 4, 5 and 6 are tragic because they're not only wild amplifications of what should have been a non-issue, but they really have nothing to do with the original situation which was between her and the two Playhaven developers.

Numbers 1 and 2 were both avoidable by either party by simply having the good sense to act in a way that was befitting of someone attending a professional conference.

Unfortunately, it's pretty clear that only one of those two numbers was actually intended to be hurtful, and that's Adria's actions in number 2. I don't find anything wrong with suggesting that her course of action was flawed.

 

[moka]

Yea, Adria over reacted.

Overreacted? That's a massive understatement for what she actually did.

Playhaven and SendGrid acted stupidly.

Playhaven shouldn't have fired the developer, that was stupid.

SendGrid were well within reason to fire her. She's a developer evangelist who severely tarnished their brand and put their entire business in danger. It was within the best interests of their customers and employees to fire her and create as much distance between them and her as possible.

None of this justifies the threats Adria has been receiving.

This, I agree with.

 

[Ripclawe]

What does this mean for women in the future who try to take a stand (whether right or not)? What do you do now if you are a woman in technology and you feel harassed or abused and want to shine a light on it, but now see this prominent woman totally abandoned by her company?
I’ll tell you what you do, unless you’re a saint or a hero. You shut up. You put your head down. You grin and bear it, because it’s a man’s world. And you leave, eventually, for a better place.
And we’re all poorer as a result.

Read more at http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/22/ad...vFbbpqFkfBy.99

What a ridiculous take on what actually happened. Everyone here aren't children, they are grown adults. She wasn't being harassed or abused, she took what should have been a situation where any professional would have taken the guys to the side to side and talked it out.

She did the complete opposite and went on a patron saint crusade against dongle talk and got people fired. Now considering this high and mighty act has been reported before in other events she has been involved with the backlash was unfortunately inevitable especially over something as this incident. The death threats and rape garbage is just that but she handled this situation poorly

 

[Zabka]

Can you blame her for not confronting a couple of street toughs? Those guys look scary as hell.

 

[dragonelite]

Can you blame her for not confronting a couple of street toughs? Those guys look scary as hell.

The one is laughing like he is satan himself.

 

[onadesertedisland]

A bigger bully picked on a smaller bully. I have little sympathy for anyone involved in this mess. Handled like adults, this would have been resolved in a few seconds with no one losing anything.

 

[akira28]

If we really say that this conference was actually "workplace". Then since when is it okay to take pictures of people without their consent and post them on the internet? Especially at a so called workplace? Isn't that "inappropriate workplace behavior" as well? And even using the so called "private twitter" account for that. So she used the workplace time for private stuff? Or did she do that stuff on worktime? Which would mean that her twitter account would have to be considered work-related.

no.

 

[moka]

A bigger bully picked on a smaller bully. I have little sympathy for anyone involved in this mess. Handled like adults, this would have been resolved in a few seconds with no one losing anything.

Who's the bully in this scenario? The dev that made a private dongle joke with a friend of his sat next to him?

 

[Yopis]

I agree, the slant of that article does seem rather peculiar and "staying safe" can't be taken at face value but still, no one deserves rape and death threats for anything; unless their murderers or rapists, then they're a little more justifiable, I think.

Yeah we can agree the threats are sad but not unexpected. Thing that burns me the most is (hey don't treat me like a girl in tech). Well grow thick skin honestly. Some people regardless of sex are tools. She could have handled It in a better way.

Now she is the sympathetic figure? We are all poorer for her absence? Not really imo. The evil Internet silenced her? Women In tech are just like everybody else but at the same time must be catered to as women. Can't have It both ways.

 

[Zoe]

Where do you live? Unemployment benefits for being fired are usually okay.

Firings that are no fault of your own are eligible for unemployment. Firings that are due to violating policy or are a reflection of documented issues are not.

Cool, but I'm not interested in her story. I'm interested in the hostility of tech events to women. She responded badly, but she responded to the status quo.

I wouldn't agree that sexual jokes in a private conversation are hostile.

 

[jimi_dini]

So many here blame Adria for the dude's firing. Not his company. That actually fired him.

And people blame "the internet" or 4chan for the woman's firing. Not her company. That actually fired her. Maybe that company fired her just based on her actions alone and nothing else. Because her actions actually meant that she is not the right person for her job.

I mean if I as a developer would meet someone like that at a conference and knew her previous behaviour, I wouldn't even want to talk to her, because I would be afraid to offend her somehow and then probably lose my job as well.

I mean really - IF she didn't cause a shitstorm, neither company would have fired anyone. She could have called them out by talking to them - like any normal person not thinking that he or she is the next Jean d'arc would do. Or she could have contacted the people responsible for the conference and they could have talked with them. Those guys would have apologized and that would have been it.

Do you really think any company would fire someone because someone else reported him/her for saying "that's a big dongle hahe". They fired him because of the shitstorm and companies being afraid of negative PR because of it.

Every time a woman speaks up in tech or games about sexism, they are threatened with rape and abused, diminished and bashed by idiots.

Sadly this event here had nothing to do with sexism at all.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

The lesson here is don't throw stones in a glass house and for the love of God don't post anything controversial on social media (even if you feel in the right) unless its a dummy account that is made for the lolz..... and even then you probably shouldn't do it.

With that said crazy aside.....she looks cute to me. Don't know about the death rape threats but people are assholes she doesnt deserve that. Then again neoiher her or the joke teller deserved to lose their job but this incident did major damage to their reputations and I could see their employers firing them based on the negative PR.

 

[Goon Boon]

Honestly this is a great litmus test for which publications to read - those that didn't get their homework done I personally blacklist, those who did actual research on the details get added to my daily reads (not too many of the latter yet). Glass houses and all that. Firing the first two people was bad, and firing the crazy twitter person who claimed the company backed their crazy views was good.

 

[Kikujiro]

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So many here blame Adria for the dude's firing. Not his company. That actually fired him.

I've been running events and giving my heart and soul to tech and games cultures since I was a teenager. I've tried to add to my communities where I can. I've never felt more alienated than I have these last few weeks - and it's all people's reactions to Anita S's video release and now this. Part of it is on NeoGAF and dumb comment sections, but some of it is in places where writing is supposed to be more considered. Some of it is my friends. I've been told to relax, that I'm a politically correct thug, that I shouldn't care about women in tech because 'its just education and not a culture problem'.

Right now I don't feel like pouring my heart and soul and wallet into communities and cultures that exclude half of humanity. I don't want to make places that are hostile. I want to make places that fight the hostility outside. But with so many men willing to put bad faith in women at the moment, I don't feel like that's possible for me anymore.

You shouldn't judge something out of its context and you should inform yourself before claiming something is sexist. Read this:
https://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/

 

[Dude Abides]

It's mind-boggling that people in 2013 don't think before creating controversy on social media.

 

[Vagabundo]

It's mind-boggling that people in 2013 don't think before creating controversy on social media.

She seems an impulsive sort who enjoys controversy. I think she just didn't expect the backfire.

 

[Wolves Evolve]

You shouldn't judge something out of its context and you should inform yourself before claiming something is sexist. Read this:
https://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/

Did you mean to quote me? I read this before I posted. It agrees with my position and the part of my post you quoted does not talk about saying anything is sexist. Also, I'm not sure what you're insinuating isn't sexist.

I also have informed myself.

 

[grumble]

After reading about this, she absolutely should have been fired. She did something that is the opposite of her role, which is developer relations by being publicly hostile to developers. Way to not even remotely do your job. She's also very juvenile, doing the online equivalent of pasting a picture and comment on every light post. She is not an adult.

The guys should have been disciplined appropriately. Telling them to shut up and stop being tools would have been appropriate, or reporting them to the conference organizers.

The firm should not have fired them. It was overkill.

 

[piddledy]

Why are men saying anything vaguely sexual around women in public? She posted the picture to document something that borders on sexual harassment, and I see nothing wrong with that.

 

[kirblar]

6) SendGrid responded in an overwhelmingly stupid way by firing her.

This was not stupid. This mess she created would have made it near-impossible for her to do her job.

 

[Goon Boon]

Why are men saying anything vaguely sexual around women in public? She posted the picture to document something that borders on sexual harassment, and I see nothing wrong with that.

Because Dongle is a funny word.

The "development evangelist" didn't get they weren't making sexual jokes, but making fun of the word dongle. 'Forking a repo' apparently is a developer type phrase as well (I'm not a developer so I'm not sure how commonplace that one is)

This was not stupid. This mess she created would have made it near-impossible for her to do her job.

Yeah, she was claiming the company was behind her in all the crazy claims made on her twitter, causing them to get DDOS'd and boycotted.

And before anyone tries to attack my use of the word "crazy", I mean her joan of arc and blacks can't be racist shit. Don't say the latter was about institutions, she said people~

https://twitter.com/adriarichards/statuses/6039856858

 

[threetri333]

I hope the developers from Playhaven get their jobs back, or some form of happy ending. Can anyone let me know?

I would be also glad if the lady from SendGrid learned something and also get a happy ending.

 

[Infinite]

This was not stupid. This mess she created would have made it near-impossible for her to do her job.

She didn't create any mess.

 

[kirblar]

She didn't create any mess.

She made it near-impossible for people in her community to trust her after posting that picture.

 

[Infinite]

I hope the developers from Playhaven get their jobs back, or some form of happy ending. Can anyone let me know?

I hope everyone gets their jobs back. I couple of brash decisions from the parties involved shouldn't have ended like this.

She made it near-impossible for people in her community to trust her after posting that picture.

dat patriarchy. This doesn't make sense to me though please elaborate on that. She wasn't fired because she took the picture.

 

[Goon Boon]

I hope everyone gets their jobs back. I couple of brash decisions from the parties involved shouldn't have ended like this.



dat patriarchy. This doesn't make sense to me though please elaborate on that. She wasn't fired because she took the picture.

Dat feministo.

She shouldn't get her job back, and the other people get jobs at non-shitty companies that don't fire people as poorly thought out tweet.

 

[kirblar]

dat patriarchy. This doesn't make sense to me though please elaborate on that. She wasn't fired because she took the picture.

Has absolutely nothing to do with patriarchy and everything to do with her complete and total inability to treat the situation like an adult. They were making 5th-grade level double entendres about programming terms. Instead of confronting them face to face like an adult, she decided to create a massive s-storm on twitter and use the situation to paint herself as a victim. If you read the blog posted earlier -there's a good write up on this. She's been known to do this kind of thing before - not confronting people (that she doesn't know or work with) directly and instead making an end run around them. She worked in developer relations. After seeing how she handled this situation and others, why would people want to voluntarily interact with her?