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Playstation 3 CFW Potential PSN Banner Hammer Discussion Thread

Dreams-Visions said:
I don't understand. The guy wanted to basically cheat to unlock some cars and cash to buy other cars? Who gives a shit? How does this affect you?
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yeah same thing with the PS2 saves, it wasn't locked, PSP save files weren't either i think?
 
I think a blanket ban of all CFW will backfire in Sony's face. The more people you piss off, the more people you will have trying to circumvent the ban.
 
railGUN said:
I think a blanket ban of all CFW will backfire in Sony's face. The more people you piss off, the more people you will have trying to circumvent the ban.
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Or the more people rebuying xbox 360s, er I mean new PS3s.

At this point, the amount of people that did this hack is a spit in the bucket compared to the whole. It wouldn't even register to sony as a loss. They might already count those consoles as losses, and look at them as a virus. Custom firmware people running around with these toys that are different from normal users having fun on PSN (not cheating) and still in super PS3 mode on OFW will only make normal people want to join up and get infected. Terminate all viruses, even the seemingly harmless.
 
railGUN said:
I think a blanket ban of all CFW will backfire in Sony's face. The more people you piss off, the more people you will have trying to circumvent the ban.
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The system is already completely raped offline. They have to maintain some semblance of control of it online. MS bans people just for playing pirated copies (which can't be modified I believe). Running foreign code on their network just puts them at risk.
 
Beer Monkey said:
It appears that all current 'phone home' attempts by the system (including the one at boot-up regardless of whether you log in to PSN) are connecting to some *.playstation.net machine i.e. some machine in the playstation.net domain.

To this end I have blocked outbound connections to playstation.net (originating from machines other than my PC) in my router firewall (Tomato running on a Linksys WRT54GL).

However, what if there are other machines being contacted in other domains? Or some future firmware starts contacting other machines and updated custom firmware does not catch this?

This makes me consider blocking, in my router, all internet connection by my PS3's IP address. This would allow me to do local streaming and file sharing without worrying that my PS3 is talking to Sony.

Of course, if some Cydia or Homebrew Channel type app is released, I would want to whitelist the domain that it contacts.



Be wary, I pulled the plug once and discovered that my PS3 just switched to wireless automatically and grabbed an IP address from my router's DNS. Make sure wireless is turned off.
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Use a static ip and don't fill the 'gateway & dns' fields in your ps3 ip configuration. By doing this your ps3 will never connect to the internet and can communicate in your lan.
 
iapetus said:
I fixed your simple logical error.
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So, by this logic, we should be finding a way to allow all those hacked XBOX 360's onto Live again since not all of them are using it for malicious purposes (i.e. using real backups instead of pirating)?

Let's get to it GAF!
 
I'm just glad I'm PC-centric and don't really care about PSN much. As soon as there's a good media center OS ported to the PS3 my Slim is getting CFW'd.
 
EricHasNoPull said:
Maybe you should look into fancy Media Center PCs or an Apple Tv or Boxie or something, seeing gaming isn't your priority.
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1. I already have a PS3 and being able to use it instead of having to pay lots of money for yet another box is preferable

2. I play games on it, mostly first party stuff. Multiplatform games and anything multiplayer happens on Steam because it's a significantly better experience. I'd miss out on a few neat downloadable games, I'm sure, but that's a chance I'm willing to take.

3. U mad?
 
not at all, I was seriously trying to give you sound advice... seems like you're the one who's a little agitated (with all your bullet points and all :D ) I love hooking up my media center PC to my large screen TV. I thought I share the experience but yeah...

1) I think

2) you are

3) being silly!
 
railGUN said:
I think a blanket ban of all CFW will backfire in Sony's face. The more people you piss off, the more people you will have trying to circumvent the ban.
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Nah, it's the best option for Sony at this point. The alternative is to not ban anyone and they certainly can't so that.
 
RedSwirl said:
My question is still on whether or not Sony could do this legally?
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they wouldnt do it anyway... i mean they could also possibly send yakuza to end you too.

what they will probably do is ban devices from psn.... and what they are probably doing now is getting stats on how is this affecting them right now (sales)... they will probably be more lenient if they discover that people with cfw still buy games
 
RedSwirl said:
My question is still on whether or not Sony could do this legally?
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Not in Europe. EULAs over here are not worth the virtual paper they're written on; they're worth nothing and basically everyone knows that. The retailer who is selling you the product would have to have told you every bit of information before you've purchased the product, which usually doesn't happen. And even then; once Sony changes the EULA, everything they've added becomes worthless.

If Sony just "bricks" your PS3 you can go to the store and demand a full refund (or a new console, or you can demand that they unbrick it). The buyer can assume that the console is doing what it's supposed to do: Play games, play BluRays/DVDs. Once Sony takes away those "features" (essential features of a gaming console) they broke the contract.

This may be different in the US, but I'm 100% sure that EULAs that you have to read after you've purchased the product are worth nothing. Once the retailer has your money you don't have to accept anything in order to use your system, the fact that you click "Yes, I accept everything that's written in the EULAs/TOSs above and will forever accept it" after you've already paid for a working gaming machine means that they're worthless.
 
SolidSnakex said:
Probably not but i'd be for it if they could.
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The "fun" starts when Sony makes a mistake and bans the wrong console or when someone reverse engineers the bricking method ...
 
snap0212 said:
Not in Europe. EULAs over here are not worth the virtual paper they're written on; they're worth nothing and basically everyone knows that. The retailer who is selling you the product would have to have told you every bit of information before you've purchased the product, which usually doesn't happen. And even then; once Sony changes the EULA, everything they've added becomes worthless.

If Sony just "bricks" your PS3 you can go to the store and demand a full refund (or a new console, or you can demand that they unbrick it). The buyer can assume that the console is doing what it's supposed to do: Play games, play BluRays/DVDs. Once Sony takes away those "features" (essential features of a gaming console) they broke the contract.

This may be different in the US, but I'm 100% sure that EULAs that you have to read after you've purchased the product are worth nothing. Once the retailer has your money you don't have to accept anything in order to use your system, the fact that you click "Yes, I accept everything that's written in the EULAs/TOSs above and will forever accept it" after you've already paid for a working gaming machine means that they're worthless.
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If they prevent the machine from going onto the PSN but allow all other functionality, you're pretty much screwed no matter where you live.
 
JADS said:
The "fun" starts when Sony makes a mistake and bans the wrong console or when someone reverse engineers the bricking method ...
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Or when user made content or video content or imported savegames or old linux data throws up a red flag and bricks someone's non-homebrew console.

Dumb-asses about this shit.
 
expy said:
If they prevent the machine from going onto the PSN but allow all other functionality, you're pretty much screwed no matter where you live.
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He's talking about Sony bricking PS3s just for the cfw. It is out of question.
 
epmode said:
What the hell is wrong with you people? This thread gives me a headache.
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Nothing is wrong with me, but the last time I checked this thread is about discussing the potential consequences of this issue. One thing that Sony has the ability to do is brick consoles. Will they? No. But I fail to see why it shouldn't enter the discussion considering that they can do it.

I'm not in favor of across the board bricking as that really would be crossing the line. But if they could eventually figure out how to detect if people were running pirated games, then i'd absolutely be in favor of it. Outside of that scenario i'm only in favor of the banning measures mentioned in this thread.
 
A safe way to brick consoles with the custom firmware is to use info from the popular custom firmware hacks and make it so that if anyone with that stuff on their PS3 download a updated PS3 ofw it would cause a conflict and screw up their console.
 
Ploid 3.0 said:
A safe way to brick consoles with the custom firmware is to use info from the popular custom firmware hacks and make it so that if anyone with that stuff on their PS3 download a updated PS3 ofw it would cause a conflict and screw up their console.
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I don't think they will go that far, but I do think they will target popular hacks and disable them.
 
Zoe said:
I don't think they will go that far, but I do think they will target popular hacks and disable them.
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Well they are suing Hotz, so I wouldn't put it past them to make a few more 'bold' moves. :lol
 
The PS3 is a closed console with a closed free network, I don't understand why people get PS3s and expect them to be able to be as open as a PC...

Meh, if you mod don't go online, or at the very least don't access PSN, I don't get why someone would be expecting to be allowed to do so. Like many have mentioned, Sony probably will just ban PSN IDs for now to slow things down.

Also, Im not one in favor of bricking systems, but if Sony has the chance to recognize those that pirate games, then fuck them, Im all up for it. They don't give a shit about the industry, I don't give a shit about them then.

epmode said:
What the hell is wrong with you people? This thread gives me a headache.
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Well, there is nothing wrong. I mean, if hackers/modders want to turn a blind eye to the negative effects of cfw, why can't the regular users do the same and turn a blind eye to sony's punishment towards cfw users?

If they are "entitled" to open their own hardware, why can't the other users also be entitled to a secure network? or what about developers being entitled to having their game not distributed illegally?

Hackers/modders are selfish, why aren't the rest allowed to be as well?
 
Noshino said:
The PS3 is a closed console with a closed free network, I don't understand why people get PS3s and expect them to be able to be as open as a PC...

Meh, if you mod don't go online, or at the very least don't access PSN, I don't get why someone would be expecting to be allowed to do so. Like many have mentioned, Sony probably will just ban PSN IDs for now to slow things down.

Also, Im not one in favor of bricking systems, but if Sony has the chance to recognize those that pirate games, then fuck them, Im all up for it. They don't give a shit about the industry, I don't give a shit about them then.


Well, there is nothing wrong. I mean, if hackers/modders want to turn a blind eye to the negative effects of cfw, why can't the regular users do the same and turn a blind eye to sony's punishment towards cfw users?

If they are "entitled" to open their own hardware, why can't the other users also be entitled to a secure network? or what about developers being entitled to having their game not distributed illegally?

Hackers/modders are selfish, why aren't the rest allowed to be as well?
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Wow will people stop with this already. Like I said earlier Sony has no legal right to brick a console.
 
But then you take out a bunch of us who are legitimately using a backup loader to load actual backups. I have no expectation of going on PSN with my backups, just like it was on the Xbox 1, but being able to leave my game collection at home while Im at University is a big deal for me. Now I realize plenty of people won't do that, but bricking a console isn't cool either.
 
apana said:
Wow will people stop with this already. Like I said earlier Sony has no legal right to brick a console.
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They could intentionally do it but say they didn't try to. Oops you had custom firmware on the console that conflicted with official firmware that you downloaded and installed, your bad.
 
Borman said:
But then you take out a bunch of us who are legitimately using a backup loader to load actual backups. I have no expectation of going on PSN with my backups, just like it was on the Xbox 1, but being able to leave my game collection at home while Im at University is a big deal for me. Now I realize plenty of people won't do that, but bricking a console isn't cool either.
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I also doubt they would brick, I'm just entertaining the brick idea. This is all about discussing after all, we have no pull on what sony does.
 
Ploid 3.0 said:
They could intentionally do it but say they didn't try to. Oops you had custom firmware on the console that conflicted with official firmware that you downloaded and installed, your bad.
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That's a class action lawsuit waiting to happen
 
this may just be me, but what is sony waiting for. Why are they not banning people's accounts or ps3's already. I mean you would think they would do that to get a message across. And believe me this will spike console sales if they do, people here think that if sony does that people would just not come back to the ps3. Believe me a lot of people who sell their 360's here on marktplaats after microsoft bans it gets an other 360.
 
Omiee said:
this may just be me, but what is sony waiting for. Why are they not banning people's accounts or ps3's already. I mean you would think they would do that to get a message across. And believe me this will spike console sales if they do, people here think that if sony does that people would just not come back to the ps3. Believe me a lot of people who sell their 360's here on marktplaats after microsoft bans it gets an other 360.
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Doesn't MS ban people in big waves? Sony might be planning something similar.
 
SolidSnakex said:
Doesn't MS ban people in big waves? Sony might be planning something similar.
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yeah they usually do that before fall right, man you have to see how many 360's get sold on marktplaats for 25% of its value just because its banned lol.
i would see the same effect for ps3's unless people will keep using it for CFW and pirated games offline.
 
Omiee said:
this may just be me, but what is sony waiting for. Why are they not banning people's accounts or ps3's already. I mean you would think they would do that to get a message across. And believe me this will spike console sales if they do, people here think that if sony does that people would just not come back to the ps3. Believe me a lot of people who sell their 360's here on marktplaats after microsoft bans it gets an other 360.
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Probably letting the community grow so they know where to strike.

Plus developing these things don't happen overnight.
 
jcm said:
Does MS refund people they ban the unused balance of their membership?
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Most people I know that get banned on XBL simply sell the old console and continue on a new hacked console. Banning don't seem to be a deterrent for people paying for XBL.
 
I have a genuine question - if I get banned from PSN, will I still be able to play offline all the DLC, PS1 games and PSN games stored on my HDD? I'm thinking of briefly switching back to OFW and doing a quick bombing run lasting a couple of days, in which I will download all my paid content from the Store. I don't mind too much if I get banned - just so long as I can still play what I have.
 
Nobody knows. I think that's how it is on 360. Everything on your HDD is safe, they corrupt your gamer profile (so you can't transfer it between a "clean" and "banned" box), but your Live profile is safe.
 
Right, i've just gone ahead and done the dirty.

I know it won't make much difference, but I re-installed OFW 3.55 before I started (really like how the homebrew on the XMB still works, so i'll carry on using that by disconnecting). I then downloaded all the content I paid for, and i'm guessing I should still be able to play it even if i'm banned - after all, I tried it offline with a different user and it worked fine. Right now i'm pretty much back to normal pre-CFW use, logging into PSN as much as ever but going offline to play emulators.

I'll let all of you know how it goes as i'll probably be the first hit when the wave starts. When that happens - new account and/or new PS3 time (with the current PS3 being completely relegated to CFW)..
 
I'm on the verge of doing it, but I'm waiting on region unlocking apps/code for my OG 60gig's BluRay/DVD/PS1/PS2 functions, which, judging by the last known progress with lv1 and lv2, should hopefully be coming soon. Either way, goodbye PSN, it's been real...unless.

I NEED SCISSORS - thanks for possibly sacrificing yourself for the cause, I really appreciate that :D
 
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