Insane Metal
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PlayStation 5 2019 - BELIEVE
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AlexxKidd
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Logic gets exposed and comes up with another cockamamie theory to justify "PS4 2019." Nobody ever says "Oh yeah, I'm sorry you're right" on the Internet. In fact, he gets exposed and says "Maybe" lol. Everybody wants to save face in front of a bunch of grown men in their parent's basements. You said "March 2020 drop in profit is the biggeest because of PS5 releasing in end of 2019." Guess what there is no March 2020 on that "chart. There's no "maybe" about it.
So in your brain Sony excluded March 2020 to hide a "huge profit loss?" These are SONY's projections, not real numbers! If they wanted to "hide" something, they would just project it in whatever manner they see fit! So now they are concealing their own projections, which they themselves have the power to make say whatever they want? I don't even think YOU believe this bullshit you're posting.
Bullshit everywhere is a personal insult to me, don't take it personal. And John Kodera told us everything.
From Forbes:
Talking with the Wall Street Journal, Sony Interactive Entertainment CEO John Kodera clarified what he meant by the "final phase" comment for the PS4 and had this to say about when we can see the next console released. "We will use the next three years to prepare the next step, to crouch down so that we can jump higher in the future."
Just cause YOU don't want to listen and it doesn't fit YOUR narrative doesn't mean he wasn't very clear. He was specifically asked to clarify the PS4 "final phase" comment and he specifically said "We will use the next three years to prepare the next step."
Despite your level of comprehension, what he said was quite clear. Yet you're sitting up here telling saying Sony, who are not talking about their next system, is going to release it before Microsoft, who are OPENLY talking about their multiple next generation systems, and who most want to hit the reset button on this cycle.
In the face of Microsoft's bombshell E3 revelation of multiple systems, in the face of Sony saying they need three years to even "prepare the next step," not even a mention of a system, three years to even prepare the next step (though I believe 2021 is likely), you are STILL trying to say PS5 is coming out NEXT YEAR? BEFORE Microsoft? Unless you belive Microsoft is coming out this year? Shit maybe you do lol. Yeah, I'll call out that bullshit all day every day, cause you might be fooling some (not really), but you ain't fooling this one.
Dontero
Banned
lol. Just like nintendo claimed WiiU is their only console and there will be no new console about half a year before they released Switch.
Translation for you: "Buy our shit now because we want your money now, don't look what is coming next because you won't give us your money now."
You are just naive and don't know how console manufacturers operate. They won't ever tell you new console gen is coming before they actually are ready with release on same or next year.
manfestival
Member
I feel like a big problem for current gen gaming is that games go through these 4-5 year development cycles nowadays. In the past games would be 1-2 year development. Going into next gen would really force developers to switch gears. Look at Star Citizen. Looks like the game entirely missed this gen and may even miss next gen at this rate.
Developers have already begun gearing up for NEXT gen. I can see the announcement of a PS5 next year and I welcome it. Just kinda hope they can do something with crossplay whatnot because it would be great to keep my warframe progress from my ps4 and transfer it over to my ps5.
Developers have already begun gearing up for NEXT gen. I can see the announcement of a PS5 next year and I welcome it. Just kinda hope they can do something with crossplay whatnot because it would be great to keep my warframe progress from my ps4 and transfer it over to my ps5.
Tarkus98
Member
Yeah, I would have to agree. Not sure if I am missing something here but if anything this chart points clearly to a 2020 release. 2019 shows their highest profit margin. 2020 is not shown at all and 2021 looks like the year their profits dip. Again unless I am missing something how are people getting a 2019 release based solely on this particular chart
AlexxKidd
Member
Microsoft just got on stage at E3 and told you multiple new consoles are coming. So by your logic we can assume to have theirs by what, Christmas? Or maybe first quarter of next year? Are you one of these "insiders" that these PS5 2019 posters speak to? Because you're dropping some major news here. Thank you for that kind sir.
Klik
Member
I usually dont argue with kids over internet but i'll bite. I said maybe because i dont't think you're right. Everything here is speculation.I'll stick with 2019,many facts point to '19 release.
So like i said,they hide March 2020 operating profit because of losses they would take from March 2019 until March 2020 by releasing PS5. I'll stick with it.
David Ricardo
Member
I think what Phil Spencer said was a defensive move because their conference was first. They didn't know whether or not Sony was going to anounce PS5 prematurely, so he said they are working on future consoles that are going to be the technological benchmark so, in case Sony announced PS5 for 2019, Xbox fans knew there would also be a next Xbox that is supposedly going to be more powerful in the future.
Before Sony conference I was expecting PS5 for late 2020. After the conference, seeing they showed no new first party PS4 games, I expect PS5 for late 2019/early 2020.
AlexxKidd
Member
In the spirit of Arkhan's post I won't address the "kids" comment, but you do understand those are projections made by SONY? Why would Sony hide their own projections? They're not actual numbers! If they wanted to hide something, they'd simply make the projection say what they wanted it to say! It's not rocket science, the numbers aren't coming from an independent source. They are coming from Sony themselves. They are WHATEVER SONY WANTS TO BE. If anything, Sony would lowball their projections so they could say, "We surpassed our projections for XXXX year!"
Next to bitbydeath's infamous "Bethesda says TESVI and Starfield are next generations games = PS5 2019," this may be the best reach in the thread. Dontero just informed us that no company would tell you when a "new console gen is coming before they actually are ready with release on same or next year." So I informed him that Microsoft told us their consoles are coming, thus clearly meaning we will see them by Christmas or next year, by his very own logic.
Now YOU, in an attempt to justify Dontero's blunder (unless you're in the NextBox 2018/2019 camp, because I am after being enlightened by Dontero) are saying the reason Microsoft told us about their multiple new consoles at E3 is because they were afraid Sony might mention theirs and wanted Xbox fans to know they also had a new console coming? As if somehow PlayStation bringing out a console negates Microsoft's ability to? Or you are saying Microsoft fans would be worried their console wouldn't be the most powered, so he'd preemptively show his hand on the "family" of Xbox systems on the ASSUMPTION that Sony says something, just to calm down said fans in advance because they wouldn't be able to handle the news? Are you implying that Microsoft's fans are stupid? Because that's clearly what your logic points to.
Who do you think I am to believe this? Does this work on anyone? Do people normally allow these incredible leaps of logic to go unchecked? I mean, if we're all just having a fun lalaland discussion of what ifs to pass the time let me know. Maybe I'm out of line raining on the parade here. I'll back off in that case, and once again thank Dontero for putting me squarely in the NextBOX 2018 - BELIEVE camp!
MayauMiao
Member
Got example of this?
Toe-Knee
Member
Knack, Killzone shadowfall, resogun
MayauMiao
Member
To be honest those games felt like tech demos than a proper AAA titles. Its probably why Sony was able to keep it under wraps for a long time.
Dontero
Banned
No one is going to release new console not in holiday season. Secondly it would be too little time between them announcing it officially and releasing.
E32019 announcement for both PS5 and Xbox2
Holidays 2019 release for both.
AlexxKidd
Member
Nintendo would like to speak to you.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
I'm sure Sony released a revenue chart recently which went from PS1-PS4 which would help show the expected dips at a console launch but I can't seem to find it :-/
THE:MILKMAN
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bitbydeath
Gold Member
This one?
That's it, thank you.
Given the revenue is in the negatives at each console launch I would expect profit to take a much bigger dive at launch than what is shown in the March 2021 column.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
It does seem like that, bitbydeath. The fact FY2019 is left completely blank makes it almost too obvious.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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2019 November is p much written in stone for me tbh
Aquamarine
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pcostabel
Gold Member
That doesn't make sense. Are you saying PS5 will launch after 2020? Why release estimate if they don't account for such an important factor?
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Interesting, I missed that news. Was there an article somewhere?
Aquamarine
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
#Team2020 still alive!
midnight-tonight.org
Neo Member
Really hope so, can't wait to trade in the 4 Pro, it's fan noise is too loud, didn't think it could be a problem for Sony since its acoustic design was always top-notch.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
100% 2020. Take it to the bank
THE:MILKMAN
Member
That's interesting. Would you know, or could you explain, why FY2019 is skipped/omitted in the FY2020 target graph? Also most say the FY2020 OP drop is big (indicating PS5 launching late 2020) but it really isn't to my mind as even the low-end estimate OP is higher than all but one PlayStation OP year! FY2020 looks like the bounce back year in the graph if anything?
FranXico
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They would not reveal the next console one year or more before releasing it.
The timing should be similar to what they followed for the PS4
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Toe-Knee
Member
I think it will be less. Andrew House said they want to have a really short amount of time between announcement and release like the Pro. So roughly 2-3 months from announcement.
Redneckerz
Banned
Perhaps it does not mention 2020 its because the first mention of March 2021 (low estimate) is a typo?That's it, thank you.
Given the revenue is in the negatives at each console launch I would expect profit to take a much bigger dive at launch than what is shown in the March 2021 column.
that would just be the announcement, not the launch.That's it, thank you.
Given the revenue is in the negatives at each console launch I would expect profit to take a much bigger dive at launch than what is shown in the March 2021 column.
normally sales drop if a new console is announced because everybody is waiting for it.
then launch could be late 2021
David Ricardo
Member
Microsoft announced Xbox One X a year and a half before launch just to let their fans know they had a better than PS4 pro system in the works. That they did something similar this E3 to preemptively defend themselves from a potential PS5 announcement is just my opinion. I'm not defending or attacking Dontero's point.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
25th anniversary is 3rd December 2019. Just because NA/EU got PlayStation nearly a year after Japan doesn't change its "birthday"!
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
True, however the West is their "main" market now, to the point where they launched the PS4 for the first time in their history, in the West first and then Japan later.
So they can capitalize the marketing around that, as they have been doing.
Maybe an official PS5 name drop at PSX2019 for the 25th anniversary?
We will all know I guess this time (or a little earlier like with the PS4) next year or so. If we hear nothing just before or around E3, it's 2020 I would think, with maybe a shadow tease at PSX as I mentioned.
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THE:MILKMAN
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For me the the anniversary can only be the date it launched first but it doesn't really matter right now. I do think if late 2019 is on then we will have to get solid info/leaks before the end of this year otherwise 2020 is a lock.
Silvawuff
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That would make sense, but I feel that the markets between MS and Sony are different, especially with the types of exclusives between both consoles. People will likely upgrade from whatever console they currently own (much like owners of Apple phones are more likely to just upgrade to Apple rather than go for a Samsung phone because it's familiar and they're already invested in that platform digitally).
I'm sure there are pros and cons for an early hardware launch that each company must weigh heavily to see if it's worth it in the long run.
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Adry9
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Right, so the anniversary year runs until December 2020.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Agreed. Looks weird to see people who dodged Pro/ X to scream for new hardware when it's already here. I bought an X and would personally skip the first two or three years of next gen if a new console and is released next year.
Would make console gaming way more expensive than PC gaming.
Grinchy
Banned
I'm starting to actually hope that Fall 2019 is the release date. And I hope they sweeten the pie by not selling cross-gen games, but instead just having the big devs patch the PS4 versions to run with improvements natively right at the PS5 launch. That would keep the online userbase for games solid and expand the "PS5" library right out of the gates without any extra purchases.