He's the main figure from the longest running series on Playstation with over six games, I don't see how he isn't qualified.
Because people don't give a shit about the driver. Sweet Tooth is the car.
He's the main figure from the longest running series on Playstation with over six games, I don't see how he isn't qualified.
Some already have mentioned this and after thinking about it I agree, this game should only take 1 character from every game. That way more chance of niche characters getting in and easier to improve on with a sequel where they can use multiple characters from a series. That's only if this game proves itself in the gameplay and fun department and is a critical success.
You just seem to want the opposite opinion of everyone, fat princess an average psn game does not really deserve a spot and sweet tooth seems allot less warranted than other characters I can think of.
That is so incredibly wrong. The Twisted Metal fan base was furious that the new game focused more on the cars and less on the drivers.Because people don't give a shit about the driver. Sweet Tooth is the car.
Something tells me you aren't a Twisted Metal fan.Because people don't give a shit about the driver. Sweet Tooth is the car.
Let's get into the specifics for a moment. Say there was a cast of 24 characters all from first/second party franchises - who could you have?
Here's my best attempt; it's just an example but anyone can feel free to switch in and out characters they want and don't want...
Sweet Tooth
Parappa The Rapper
Radec
Fat Princess
Sly Cooper
Kratos
Robbit (Jumping Flash)
Nariko
Nathan Drake
Cole MacGrath
Sackboy
Kat (Gravity Daze)
Sir Daniel Fortesque
Jak & Daxter
Ratchet & Clank
Spike (Ape Escape)
Wander
ICO
Rose (Legend of Dragoon)
Gabe Logan
Tomba
Toro And Kuro
Chimera (Resistance)
Vibri (Vib Ribbon)
I think they're all different enough that they could each have their own different nuances and approaches to battle. There's no clones to be had there.
No they don't. There have been KI arcade machines that I doubt Nintendo had much to do with. The only Rare created IP that Nintendo has any call to is Donkey Kong Country.
I think one genuine advantage Battle Royale has over Super Smash Bros. is that Sony can pluck just one character or duo from different first/second party franchises and still be able to reach that allotted 24-number roster. Nintendo relies on multiple characters from a single franchise, like say Mario, Princess Peach, Yoshi, Bowser, Wario and Luigi all featuring in Brawl, but there's no need for padding like that in a Sony game, so a greater variety in cast is a huge plus I think.
Having said that, I'd love to see Sully make it as a playable character.
Quark is in the game, just not playable. You see him on the Ratchet and Clank stage running and then getting knocked off stage by the Hydra. Then he comes back and gets trapped in the Hydras mouth and you see him trying to hold the jaw open so he can escape. On the Sandover Village stage you can see Keira too but I don't think she does anything.Yeah, I hope they avoid having an clones *cue joke about the whole game being a clone. har har*
I also agree with 1 character per series for the first game. Save others for sequels. Although I say that, and then think of how awesome Captain Quark and Dr. Nefarious could be for a game like this lol.
Come on. Are you serious? Mario characters beyond Mario aren't padding, they're just as important to the Mario series as Mario himself, and many of them have their own spinoff games or even series. They don't include multiple characters from the same series because they have to to get a decently-sized roster, they do it because they're popular characters who often present interesting gameplay possibilities.
You don't have to put down Smash to express your excitement for this game. Smash is great. This game looks like it could be great. Nintendo and Sony both have sizable rosters to choose from.
Smash's character selection does a pretty good job with both breadth and depth. As far as this game goes, they should probably go more for breadth. But the second time around, assuming it turns out to be good? Go for a bit more depth, start filling up the roster a bit with multiple characters from different franchises. Throw in Zeus, Dollface, Sully, Daxter and Clank as their own characters, Captain Qwark and Dr. Nefarious, Murray and Bentley, Um Jammer Lammy, whatever.
That is so incredibly wrong. The Twisted Metal fan base was furious that the new game focused more on the cars and less on the drivers.
But Sweet Tooth has his truck as his super. This game is giving the Twisted Metal fans both with Sweet Tooth. I don't think those guys are upset.Though people do want the drivers, the cars themselves have an equal part in their popularity. It's not one or the other; it's both. In context of this game, it should be understandable why people feel Sweet Tooth is a little off. PASBR gives center stage to him and the dude is basically designed to be a juggalo. It's gross! Juggalos are the worst.
Not to say he doesn't belong, but he's definitely a necessary blemish to a potentially amazing roster.
Though people do want the drivers, the cars themselves have an equal part in their popularity. It's not one or the other; it's both. In context of this game, it should be understandable why people feel Sweet Tooth is a little off. PASBR gives center stage to him and the dude is basically designed to be a juggalo. It's gross! Juggalos are the worst.
Not to say he doesn't belong, but he's definitely a necessary blemish to a potentially amazing roster.
This x100,000,000
I am going to be really disappointed if they dont give us a variety of gameplay options. It's just not a party/fighting game if they kill the tension of actually fighting. Every move should feel like something important, not a race for supers that could be incredibly unbalanced.
They need to not be lazy and create move damage modifiers for all characters and implement it as a main mode, because the concept they have now is not enough, and it leaves me very skeptical.
I also wonder if 6 players would be too much, 4 players sounds too small and they should take advantage of really making it a party brawl.
But they NEED options and need to build the game around central mechanics like health, damage, weapons, and that super meter they have
Though people do want the drivers, the cars themselves have an equal part in their popularity. It's not one or the other; it's both. In context of this game, it should be understandable why people feel Sweet Tooth is a little off. PASBR gives center stage to him and the dude is basically designed to be a juggalo. It's gross! Juggalos are the worst.
Not to say he doesn't belong, but he's definitely a necessary blemish to a potentially amazing roster.
Actually funilly enough, as someone who isn't a Sony diehard in the slightest, the unique KO system is the only reason I haven't written off the game yet. Sure the system could end up backfiring completely but smashclones with healthbars usully just end up feeling uninspired and soullessI just hope they reconsider the super meter and implement an alternate mode with hit points. It sounds like it's pretty solid in terms of the engine and stuff they just need to add content.. I just really, really hope they reconsider because I personally think the current system will prevent it from gaining mainstream appeal outside the Sony faithful. I'll get it either way I think, I just wish there was a health bar or something similar to help balance things out more.
But Sweet Tooth has his truck as his super. This game is giving the Twisted Metal fans both with Sweet Tooth. I don't think those guys are upset.
Is Captain Falcon out of place in Smash Bros? He's just a driver as well in his own games.
Only getting a KO with supers is far from a fundamental flaw. Not gonna rewrite everything but pretty much every fear someone has brought up about this has been well countered by someone else. Obviously these guys being big time people in the fighter genre know what they have is working like you said, and the people who have played it are enjoying it.A lot of people are liking the super meter thing and I like it too but there's one fundamental flaw with it - you can only KO with supers. The impressions video from Gametrailers had the two guys praising it but also voicing concerns - one of which is how environmental hazards are no longer a real threat if there's no hit points, unless they make all environmental hazards instant KO you, which would make every level incredibly unfair.
Okay, I really hope they add some joke characters in like Kaz (please include a Riiiiidge Racer taunt or move where he summons the cars) or Kevin Butler.
Actually funilly enough, as someone who isn't a Sony diehard in the slightest, the unique KO system is the only reason I haven't written off the game yet. Sure the system could end up backfiring completely but smashclones with healthbars usully just end up feeling uninspired and soulless
Ofcourse they could always include a HP mode as an option but then again smash did that too and it was shit because the game wasn't balanced around it (that and the amount of HP was fixed at too low a value). The game's been in developement for 2 and a half years already and only has about half a year left. At this stage it's too late for such a foundational shake up.
Sweet Tooth is way more identifiable as a character than Captain Falcon was. This argument is silly.
Are you a Twisted Metal fan? Because the Twisted Metal fans I talked to are all really hyped about how they implemented Sweet Tooth.I get why they have to separate him from his vehicle in this game, I get why he is needed in this roster. Why don't you guys understand why people, TM fan or not, wouldn't like him either way? I feel like I've explained my point more than I had to.
I made a point about the separation from his vehicle and his overall design as a character. Your reply only focus on the former.
I went more in depth right above if you feel like responding to that instead.
Because people don't give a shit about the driver. Sweet Tooth is the car.
Is Captain Falcon out of place in Smash Bros? He's just a driver as well in his own games.
I never even mentioned Captain Falcon, which is why I find it funny.
For the curious, my initial opinion on him is this: "Oh he's the driver from F-Zero? Okay then, whatever, that's cool I guess."
I have more to say about Sweet Tooth because I played more TM than I did F-Zero games. I don't think the latter even characterized their cast as much as the former did. Definitely a silly comparison.
Let's put it this way, every series is going to have different types of fans. They can't possibly appeal to them all in something like this, so they have to choose to appeal to the biggest bunch of them. And that bunch just happens to be the people who like everything about it including the characters as people outside the vehicles as well, so this is great for them.It's not even worth discussing anymore. It seems like your point will always be related to this question: "Are you a Twisted Metal fan?" Which, from what I've gathered, actually translates to: "Are you a Twisted Metal fan that likes everything about it, no questions asked?"
Yes I am; No I'm not.
Also, who's "they?" "They" seems to be the consensus for TM fans in your argument.
You've overexplained your point because your point has no traction. We've seen Sweet Tooth out of his car plenty of times in the cinematic/story elements of the games and on advertisements etc. It's a car combat game, but Sweet Tooth is a character -- an iconic, humanoid character.
In contrast, the most we got out of Captain Falcon was an avatar of him as the driver of the blue hovercar.
It's a valid, and quite applicable comparison because both are drivers and it goes to show you that you can take a driver out of his car and create a very lovable and effective fighting game character. Sweet Tooth has a distinct advantage over pre-smash Captain Falcon in that Sweet Tooth was actually an iconic character in the series.
Including Sweet Tooth in this game is a no-brainer -- it's an excellent choice.
Sweet Tooth is way more identifiable as a character than Captain Falcon was. This argument is silly.
Exactly. And it's not Sweet Tooth and his vehicle, it's just him.Not to mention ST is on the friggin cover of Twisted Metal Black.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/Twisted_Metal_Black.jpg
Not to mention ST is on the friggin cover of Twisted Metal Black.
Don't know where you can get it but it was on PC and it had online.Hold the phone, TM2 is on PC? Where can I get this, did it have online? GOG got it? Daaang
Ok some of those pictures are fake. lol
Because people don't give a shit about the driver. Sweet Tooth is the car.
Let's put it this way, every series is going to have different types of fans. They can't possibly appeal to them all in something like this, so they have to choose to appeal to the biggest bunch of them. And that bunch just happens to be the people who like everything about it including the characters as people outside the vehicles as well, so this is great for them.
I'm sorry that the way the implemented him isn't working for you, but if you were only a fan of the car combat and not the characters then yeah you're right, it's not even worth discussing anymore. Just don't play as Sweet Tooth, maybe they'll have a Twisted Metal stage that focuses on the car combat.
You're a fan of the characters but you aren't a fan of them outside of the vehicles. Obviously with Axel he will always be in the vehicle, but for the other characters they were always shown outside the vehicles in the cutscenes and those cutscenes are what really made the game for many.Oh I am a fan of the characters. Making them unlikeable gave credibility to the world they were in; it made sense; it made some of them memorable. I'm simply not a fan of his design and focus without the Ice Cream truck and, you're right, the answer to that is simply not to play him.
What other characters besides Sweet Tooth could fit the "Heavy" category I already suggested Rau from Mark of Kri but who else does Sony have in there lineup. I would've also suggested Captain Qwark but it seems that in this installment he wont be playable.