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DenogginizerOS
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Exactly. But it does.hirokazu said:
hirokazu said:
Weren't there reports of controller problems early in the PS3 life? Maybe some units got flaky bluetooth.
EDIT: This is the stuff I'm talking about.
Freedom = $1.05
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That was due to the controllers, not the console. Notice that these issues haven't been reported post dual shock 3.jcm said:
I did not "have a problem" with move on my phat PS3 untill I moved it to another room. Or at least I did not notice them untill then.
And it is only noticable in two games/demos for me..
- Dead Space Extraction
- Tumble Demo.
there is a video earlier in this thread where you can see how the drifting looks in Extraction..
So for people who say they do not have problems.. please try these two games/demo´s and tell me if you notice the pointer drift.
And it is only noticable in two games/demos for me..
- Dead Space Extraction
- Tumble Demo.
there is a video earlier in this thread where you can see how the drifting looks in Extraction..
So for people who say they do not have problems.. please try these two games/demo´s and tell me if you notice the pointer drift.
DenogginizerOS
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I am not saying all 60GB PS3s are having issues. But there are reports of people having issues. I am now a part of the group that has issues. If I had not had the unique situation of playing KZ3 on my 60GB, then on my Slim, and then back to my 60GB, then I probably would not have said anything. But after reading others comments, I spoke up. Now, in summary, I have 2 Move controllers. One calibrates better than the other on my 60GB in just Killzone 3. However, both controllers seem to be identical in Tumble and Sports, and I did not see this variability when I was using my Slim.Loudninja said:
Is it possible that the Move controller calibrations in the XMB are messing up KZ3 somehow?
Halcyon
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I've noticed that one of my moves calibrates better than the other as well, but its only the cursor that is effected. I have a 40gb fat model. I get drifting in extraction but it eventually sorta fixes itself.
My good move works like a champ in killzone 3 though. Both of them work perfect in games like sports and start the party.
My good move works like a champ in killzone 3 though. Both of them work perfect in games like sports and start the party.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Checks that off the list. Since you are our resident Move expert, do you have any suggestions for me to troubleshoot this?TTP said:
Hanmik said:
I have posted a "video response" to that Extraction video you are mentioning which shows I have no issues with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W-mlJj88gg
Side note, here is how the cursor behaves if the magnetic sensor is on AND actually supported. Test game is Time Crisis pre and post patch. Pre patch it supported the magnetometer. The patch removed magnetometer support (after the fade to black you can see how the cursor doesn't react to the magnet anymore).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbUKVRH-ewA
DenogginizerOS said:
Sadly not. Besides pre-patch Time Crisis I didn't experience any issue so it's hard for me to test this out.
I have 3 PS3s (1 fat, 1 slim and 1 test unit), 2 Moves and 2 PS Eyes tho, so I should probably try testing more by mixing up the above set ups and investigate.
This shit is very hard to debug.
here are two usefull videos showing the drifting and calibration problems..
Extraction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA5NWLV7SrY
Killzone 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXpbT68wYsc&feature=channel_video_title
Extraction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA5NWLV7SrY
Killzone 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXpbT68wYsc&feature=channel_video_title
DenogginizerOS
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I am at work now, but I am sure it was at 60hz. Also, are you having this issue without using the sharp shooter?Hanmik said:
Rotate the Move sideways(roll) - it's not drift in any sense of the world, the game just decalibrates itself if you perform any rotations around Z axis (which are required for alternate fire making this a pretty sad ommision on EAs part).TTP said:
I can force reproduce drift in tumble, but since the gameplay never requires movements that cause drift, it's never been an issue for me in the game itself.Hanmik said:
For Extraction - see above for what I get.
This - it's the first time I've felt comfortable playing a shooter on a console. It'll be painful going back to DeadSpace2 after this, and I'm definitely not bothering with any FPS without move controls on this machine.distrbnce said:
DenogginizerOS said:
I do not own a Sharpshooter. So my problems seem to be related to my setup or something..
you do not have to rotate. Just play Extraction like this dude.. I have the exact same thing happening to me.. it bothers me alot..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA5NWLV7SrY
Fafalada said:
It's not that it decalibrates. The cursor is not projected dead on straight from the Move, so that's why it seems to "drift" when rotating around the Z axis. You are actually drawing an imaginary cone between you and the screen when titling around the Z axis. Tip of the cone is the Move sphere.
(sorry for the dirty ps job)
Green line represents ideal cursor projection.
Red line represents actual cursor projection.
Black dot is on-screen cursor.
If you lower the sensitivity, you'll see it gets more stable when rotating. This is because the higher the sensitivity, the more exaggerated your movements are represented on screen. By reducing the sensitivity, you basically reduce the diameter of the imaginary cone base.
Halcyon
Member
I just retried extraction and noticed I had the reticle assist set to off. I turned it on and it seemed to help with drift and the cursor not lining up with where I was pointing.
You guys might want to try that if you haven't to see the results.
I also tried the shoot after that and shaking the controller around will get the cursor offcenter and whatnot. Annoying.
You guys might want to try that if you haven't to see the results.
I also tried the shoot after that and shaking the controller around will get the cursor offcenter and whatnot. Annoying.
HalcyonTB12 said:
Reticle assist does nothing more than turning the on-screen cursor red when it hovers over an enemy or an item. It doesn't affect its actual behavior at all. That was probably meant to help Wii players spotting distant enemies and items amid the jaggies. Not that necessary in the PS3 version.
DenogginizerOS
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Hanmik said:
That video you posted with the guy using a sharp shooter is similar to my problem except when I try calibrating my Move in KZ3 when using the sharp shooter, I get a terrible misalignment immediately after I complete the calibration. The cursor is almost off the screen to the left with me pointing the Move at the center of my screen. I reproduced this several times with pointing the move at the camera, pointing it at the center of the screen, with the camera above my TV, and the camera below.
DenogginizerOS
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I will. I think I did that but it was at a time of frustration, so I don't recall. But I did take the Move out, calibrate it in KZ3, and it was still misbehaving. That same Move worked fine in other games. However, the "good" Move also seemed to have issues where it wanted to drift left with my pointing at the center. The "bad" move was more prone to miscalibration (again, in KZ3).TTP said:
I have to say that when I calibrated these Moves with my Slim last week, I never once had an issue. I even thought that the Slim was definitely tracking better. Finally, I did not have the sharp shooter when my Slim was here.
) Fafalada said:
Wow, half a screen? Never occurred to me. Will check it out again.
Edit: Ok I did some experimenting. I managed to recreate the issue you have described but not with just one roll. I have to roll it multiple times in quick succession to get it to move to the side of the screen (the left one). Never noticed before cos you don't normally roll it so often. Anyway, after getting the cursor to the edge of the screen, some normal waggling re-centered it.
On a side note, when I started the game to check this, I got my first cursor drifting issue. The cursor would start drifting severely to the left right after the calibration. Waggling fixed this but recalibrating triggered the issue again.
I turned off and on the Move at that fixed it.
I constantly have to recalibrate playing KZ3. Sometimes I can play for a while, sometimes it gets fubar 30 seconds after calibration. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. Maybe I rotate the thing too much? I don't know, but it's annoying as $%??@!.
One thing I know is that I have a projector setup so the PS Eye is in a far from perfect position. That probably doesn't help.
One thing I know is that I have a projector setup so the PS Eye is in a far from perfect position. That probably doesn't help.
Halcyon
Member
I originally thought it was placebo myself, but I used to get drifting and the cursor would not center with my sharpshooter. I don't know if turning off the magnetometer did the trick or if I just calibrated it correctly for once but now im getting this:TTP said:Very likely. Also consider the placebo effect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=odwGRVxX8rs
mrkapawutzis
Member
Fixed the drift that was occurring on Dead Space Extraction. I first tried resetting the screen settings as was suggested but that didn't work so I turned off the magnet (press triangle on the system calibration setup) and that fixed it! Using a phat 60gb by the way. Unfortunately it didn't fix the fun factor of the game; I thought the game was dull and frustrating because of the drift but it's apparently just the game
Halcyon
Member
Nothing. I had drifting problems and whatnot, and I turned off the magnet and that was the result. Just showing that the move will/should work correctly if you figure out a way. Giving those with drift hope that it can be corrected, although im not 100 percent sure what did it for me.
ZephyrFate
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I could definitely use some help. I just bought the Sharpshooter accessory for KZ3 and when calibrating (I don't think the SS has anything to do with it) there seems to be an issue with calibrating the left side of the screen. I have to aim my Move outside of my TV screen to get it to move to the far left, but the right side of the screen is just fine. Anyone got any tips for this? I hate having to compensate for the left side of my TV screen failing.
mrkapawutzis said:
I actually LOVE Extraction. Sad you don't like it.
Anyway, I don't think disabling the magnet sensor did they trick. It has to be a coincidence or something not necessarily related to the magnetometer itself. In my experiments switching between two different Moves I've noticed that whenever I switch, I get the drift. Then, turning off and back on the drifting Move fixes it. I managed to reproduce this 5 or 6 times but then, all of a sudden, right when I was about to shout "EUREKA!" and post on GAF, both controllers were behaving fine upon switching so I'm not sure what to get from this. :/
Halcyon
Member
I think its safe to say that there's quite a bit of random variables that effect the move as a pointer. Have you ever did any tests with the move on a tripod or fixed position? I think people are having problems because everyones sitting in a different position/holding it different/calibrating it in different positions/different lighting etc. But if its random even fixed then they gotta do more to get it working correctly every time.TTP said:
I just kinda wished that with the sharpshooters release they woulda included a little game or something to help people use the move as a pointer. Maybe have a more advanced calibration or tutorial since everyone that buys a sharpshooter will get home and be like wtf it doesn't even line up.
DenogginizerOS
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I had the exact same experience. Turning the Move off completely and then recalibrating fixes things most if the time, but if I switch Moves or put one in the Sharpshooter without powering down, it gets a severe drift.TTP said:
xKilltheMx
Member
After my initial try with move on Modern Combat: domination and I thought it was utter crap but it's actually pretty fun. Shame that so many other full fledged games with good move support are coming out or I'd actually give it a shot.
edit: WHOAAAA it's only 8 bucks? Hmm maybe Ill scrounge up some for this.
edit: WHOAAAA it's only 8 bucks? Hmm maybe Ill scrounge up some for this.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
I wonder what the scope attachment will do on the sharp shooter. Also, I am optimistic about Socom 4.
Eel O'Brian
Member
Isn't SOCOM supposed to have a setting that makes the cursor remain fixed and centered? Did I read that, or am I just trying to wish it into reality?
Haint
Member
DenogginizerOS said:
Nah, I don't think it's SKU related. I have both a 60GB NA Launch fat and a 120GB slim in the same room, on the same TV, from the same chair. I've encountered the KZ3 calibration fuck up multiple times on both, but on mine the cursor gets stuck to the far right (not left like you experienced). Both consoles also produce drift almost instantly in just about every pointer based game.
Yeah, I'm still skeptical about differences in SKU.Reallink said:
Given how difficult the damn thing is to troubleshoot, it becomes easy to lay blame on something without direct correlation, like those people who swear that PS3 firmware updates bricked their systems.
Those using a projector - how far away are you sitting from the camera, and have you tried playin from other positions in the room?
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
I do think power cycling the Move has given me the best results. I have also found that after doing the KZ3 calibration, if it isn't drifting but is slightly off, it can be "corrected" using the infinity movements. Lastly, when calibrating the sharpshooter, it is essential to keep the butt of the rifle in a fixed spot and in a position you want to play with. I found that if I did that, I was afforded some movement of the rifle and could rest my cheek on the shooter and get a quasi down-the-sites perspective. This makes the experience more enjoyable, but you best not try to use the sharp shooter if you are tired. No amount of calibrating can overcome the need for rested arms, shoulders, and abs.TTP said:
DenogginizerOS
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I admit I am skeptical, however I did get a marked improvement with the Move's tracking when switching from the Phat to the Slim. After doing some research, I think this had more to do with power cycling the Move and essentially resetting it on the Slim. Finally, the sharp shooter is very sensitive to calibration errors and since I just purchased it, I have only experimented with it on my Phat. I will post updates in a week or two when I get my Slim back.Reallink said:
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