It's a combination I would imagine. I play zero games online on my ps4, but I got PS+ for the games
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PlayStation Plus reaches 26.4 million subscribers as of March 31, 2017
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It's a combination I would imagine. I play zero games online on my ps4, but I got PS+ for the games
miller.skippins
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Time and Time again, it has been said....the download speed is more to do with Akamai CDN (which psn uses) than psn itself..
tenderbrew
Member
I used to sub, but stopped. Combination of poor connection speed, terrible Sony customer service when my account was compromised, and a lot of online functions work without it. I routinely used Nioh online to fight the player shadows and can use Persona 5 online functions for instance. TBH it's kind of poorly advertised (probably purposeful) what features will work and which will not without the sub. And with not playing any big competitive multi games on PS4, I haven't really missed it.
I'm guessing a big chunk of people are getting in for the included games.
I'm guessing a big chunk of people are getting in for the included games.
zkorejo
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I dont understand all that technical stuff. And I dont think I should care what is the issue. All I know and care about is, downloading a 10 gb update should not take 99+ days.
dragonyeuw
Member
I can't imagine anyone 'wanting' to pay for a service that was free last gen. Frankly I haven't been able to justify a subscription for either xbox or playstation since getting my PC a couple year ago.
Hamster Plugin
Member
Your guess is wrong. PS3 Plus without the online paywall didn't have very many subs, and now the games are much worse.
If Sony stopped charging for online and still kept the same garbage coming monthly, their subs would drop dramatically, possibly to under a million.
Not necessarily, 1 Plus account can give Plus to 1 other, and I don't think this counts account sharing accounts.
DriftingSpirit
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That first page though.
Keep it growing, Sony.
Keep it growing, Sony.
it would drop, but not likely below the original ps3 numbers at 3 mil. I would give it a drop to 5mil at tops. Sure the free games quality has gone down some, but there is usually still at least one good game in there. but even ignoring them they do a lot of sales that ps+ gives good discounts to which are the main reason I am still subbed since I don't really play online at all.
correct. With my account set as primary on my console, my wife can play online games with her account if she wants. so it wouldn't be surprising if given home situations if while only say 40% of people have ps+, if thanks to families having multiple people using it if closer to 60-65% of people actually play online with their accounts.
llien
Member
People didn't vote with their wallet clear enough last gen.
Oh, or rather they did... =/
Risk Breaker
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My download speeds have been fine (maxed out fiber connection, 100+ mbps) for years.
hanspampel
Banned
You guys are nuts
Sure every investor would like that, but companies are not obligated to do a full financial striptease.
And that is a good thing.
I would also like how much every individual is being paid. How much they pay for every surface, xbox or playstation in production.
But that is confidential stuff you only know when working in said company
And Capcom and Nintendo don't do better than Microsoft or Sony. Microsoft and Sony are not a gaming company. How much an individual titel sells is not important
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
And people want Call of Duty to get rid of the Single Player lol.
Welfare
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MAU is a very important metric in a multiplayer/online centric market.
I'm gonna quote myself form another thread, re: MAU usage (particularly for MAU tracking on an individual game basis):
Aceofspades
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10gb taking 99+ days? Maybe you should look into better internet plan.
10 Gb takes me less than 10 minutes.
Fredrik
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It should be possible to identify the ones that felt forced to subscribe by looking at the PS+ subscription figures last gen. PS+ hasn't got any better regarding the "free" games so if there are more subscribers this generation it's likely because there are people that subscribe because they have to.
That's funny, because they didn't for a long time for the PS3 and they don't for the Vita either. The only transparent company, regardless of whether the console is a success or a failure, is Nintendo
Jack The Nipper
Banned
That dude went in hard on the console wars..
And good for Sony is guess. Not a big deal to me other than its good to have an ecosystem to play online with when I or we need.
Don't see plus getting better if the trend continues though.
And good for Sony is guess. Not a big deal to me other than its good to have an ecosystem to play online with when I or we need.
Don't see plus getting better if the trend continues though.
hanspampel
Banned
Ps+ subscriber growth in FY 2017 = 27%
Ps4 installbase*growth in FY 2017 = 50%
so Ps+ subscriber growth basically at half the pace of Ps4 installbase growth
if you look at flat numbers: 5.6m added subscriber vs 20m Ps4 sold or roughly 1/4 of every new Ps4 sold converted into an additional Ps+ subscriber
*using shipped numbers for installbase.
but the most important factor here is this:
one Ps4 sold in the year could be a MAU in February and another Ps4 could be a MAU in March, but not simultaneously
+ other various factors like second or third Ps4 in one household. upgrade from Ps4 to Pro. replace a broken console. etc...
that is exactly the reason, why MAU is the superior metric to units sold
Ps4 installbase*growth in FY 2017 = 50%
so Ps+ subscriber growth basically at half the pace of Ps4 installbase growth
if you look at flat numbers: 5.6m added subscriber vs 20m Ps4 sold or roughly 1/4 of every new Ps4 sold converted into an additional Ps+ subscriber
*using shipped numbers for installbase.
sure that.
but the most important factor here is this:
one Ps4 sold in the year could be a MAU in February and another Ps4 could be a MAU in March, but not simultaneously
+ other various factors like second or third Ps4 in one household. upgrade from Ps4 to Pro. replace a broken console. etc...
that is exactly the reason, why MAU is the superior metric to units sold
eerik9000
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PSN MAUs grew "only" ten million, from 60+ million to 70+ million. Every new PS4 owner is not a new PSN user. People are migrating from PS3.
vpance
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More than half subscribing to Plus is pretty good.
Sony just need to not fuck up PS5 and they'll have a steady source of revenue for years to come.
AuthenticM
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What the fuck is an MAU?
This is one of those things I'm gonna say that'll cheese off a few people, but knowing how involved the overhead on even a super simple digital storefront can be, let alone a full-on service platform, I think shifting PSN over to a paid service with PS+ has been one of the most positive developments for the Playstation division and for the quality of the end-user experience (allowing for annoyance from people who don't want that new expense).
Monthly Active Users. It's just a service figure on their end showing how many people are actually using the platform and services over the course of each month. Most importantly it shows distinct user counts, which is really useful.
Aceofspades
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Why would any metric be "superior" to another?
Both are valued metric that gives you info about some aspect of the ecosystem health.
Unit sold: gives publishers and a developers a rough estimation of potential market for their games, and thats why most indies and AAA games end up being released on PS4, unlike Xbox one, wii U or even Switch.
MAU: can give an a good sample to developers, publishers and other service providers that certain games or services might find success since people are actively engaged in this ecosystem...among other benefits.
This is just a simplification of SOME of the benefits of both metric used.
Again, why would you downplay one over the other is beyond me. Or that you just know that Microsoft can never win a certain metric so you downplay it to hell, because one day once they have sold W10 phones in china they can win "the MAU" war and you declare Live as biggest gaming network? Grow up man
hanspampel
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it was talk in the context of the business.
if you make your money with selling hardware and have a healthy margin on that, unit sold is a solid and the superior metric.
If you want to monetize a platform with games and services, MAU is the better metric.
Reasons were already given by me.
Here is a simple exaggeration: I could buy 100 million Ps4 for $20bn and throw them into the dumpster. Would those sales benefit any publisher who wants to sell games on that Platform? Not at all! And even Sony would not make much out of that. Especially not generating any longterm revenue stream.
I also used the word superior, because of the "lol MAU what are the unit sold numbers" meme here on GAF. Thought that was pretty obvious. Fuel the fire, you know? Whenever someone is willing to discuss sales and financials in a reasonable manor, im willing to give a way more diverse and objective answer like this one
pixelation
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Sorry but i just had to laugh at the Rembrandt meltdown... geez!
What a weird reason to be sad. It's obviously a very important metric for their strategic planning and for Sony's investors.. It's strongly linked to the recurring revenue.
eerik9000
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It's not a press release. It is a presentation shown to investors at Sony Investor Relations Day. They've revealed similar information in previous years too.
One MAU could be generating hundreds of dollars in revenue every month, another MAU could just sit there consuming your precious resources for free. That is exactly the reason why revenue is the superior metric to MAU.
One transaction could be 100% profitable, another transaction could actually lose you money. That is exactly the reason why profit is the superir metric to revenue.
etc.
Actually no, in the end only profit matters.
What would this add up to if we assumed everyone was on an annual sub, 1.3 billion USD a year or thereabouts?
Jesus christ, no wonder they added the paywall. I hope in the future PSN is better and their future OS's are better as a result of this influx of cash, but somehow I doubt it.
Jesus christ, no wonder they added the paywall. I hope in the future PSN is better and their future OS's are better as a result of this influx of cash, but somehow I doubt it.
Psycho_Mantis
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$1.5 billion from PSN subs alone is insane. No wonder PSN generated near $5 billion in revenue iirc.
Sadly, PS+ has been disappointing compared to its PS3 years. Its weird as PS+ in Asia seems amazing.
Sadly, PS+ has been disappointing compared to its PS3 years. Its weird as PS+ in Asia seems amazing.
BinaryBear07
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And we still can't change our names.......
hanspampel
Banned
correct.
MAU, Revenue and Gross margin
the 3 most important metrics in the gaming industry, right now
Games like Destiny 2, COD, Battlefront etc will bump that number up. Especially this fall.
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