Wizz-Art
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You should try it, it's pretty good. It's on Game Pass btw.
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PlayStation+ subscribers increased 22% in 2020
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
That's $2.8 billion in revenue if we go by $60 per sub.
I don't ever want to hear how games are more expensive to make than ever. Their profits are better than ever too.
Bring back Japan studios.
I don't ever want to hear how games are more expensive to make than ever. Their profits are better than ever too.
Bring back Japan studios.
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Bryank75
Banned
100% my issue!
We were told games cost more to make as the excuse to raise prices and put exclusives on PC.... then downsized Japan. Meanwhile they made record profits, as you say.
It's an insult to our intelligence.
PlayStation on it's own made enough to buy Kadokawa or Sega.
Last year they made 2.41 billion...
Without investing in growth, it's gonna be very slow.... MiHoYo would cover mobile and console, would be a great growth purchase IMO.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Honestly I think $3.3B pure profit doesn't mean much when you literally spent around $22.2B.
fragganaut
Member
Every Game Pass user should download it and play it for the coming months, even if the person doesn't like MLB at all, that way MS can't remove it from Game Pass and therefore generating income for Sony and MLB.
In all fairness Microsoft will recuperate it's costs later on but this is a different story that none of the XBox fans will tell.
MiguelItUp
Member
Yeah, they've offered some pretty compelling perks. So I wouldn't be surprised that those numbers have gone up. Especially during the year of the COVID boom.
I bought one of those physical cards and just went that route as they're usually going for a great price.
I may not really be using it, but it's there! Haha.
I bought one of those physical cards and just went that route as they're usually going for a great price.
I may not really be using it, but it's there! Haha.
Bryank75
Banned
That's just the way business works.... Amazon for instance had revenue of 386 Billion in 2020, yet only made 21 Billion net income.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
LOL @ "only"
Bryank75
Banned
Considering Sony made over 10 billion from around 80 billion of Revenue.... that's what I mean, it's about the proportion.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Wow! That's only double Sony's net income of $10B out of $80B revenue! Sony is pretty efficient then. Thanks for the details.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Sony did not spend $22 billion. that was their revenue, not their operating costs.
PS division is extremely profitable for them. They used to buy studios like GG, Evolution Studios, Sucker Punch and Media Molecule in the PS3 days when they already had Zipper, ND, SSM and Bend. This is back when they did not have PS+. Now they make $2.8 billion in extra money they never did, most of it profit, and they are penny pinching like never before?
Their revenues from digital are way up. they get a 30% cut for it compared to the 10% cut they used to get from the PS3 and PS2 days when everything went through retail. Microstransactions are bigger than ever this gen and they get a 30% cut of that too. Fornite makes what $2.4 billion a year from microtranscations? PS is THE biggest piece of that pie. They are making hundreds of millions from fortnite alone.
yurinka
Member
Revenue is the amount of money customers paid to these companies.
When you subtract to the revenue costs and investments like developing consoles, salaries, taxes, shipments, acquisitions, etc then you get the profit or loss.
Revenue is the amount of money earned, the business generated by the company. The more revenue they generate, the more money they will have to reinvest to make more games, secure more deals, to improve hardware and services in the future, etc. Companies traditionally reinvest most of the revenue they generate every year, leaving a small portion of it for the profits.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Well, Housemarque and Bluepoint should be the obvious acquisitions for being small and efficient. Kojima doesn't want to be acquired though. Also, do they even wanna be acquired?
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killatopak
Gold Member
Thank you for the explanation.
Not gonna lie, I’m pretty damn rusty in my high school economics.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Hey, you only posted 11 times around here since 10 years, this makes me proud that I seem to entertain you as I see a lot of reactions from you. Thanks a lot and enjoy gaming and life!
yurinka
Member
PS subscriptions combined, in addition to have more subscribers than the MS subscriptions combined, they also generate more revenue than the MS ones.
And must be more profitable, because deals to put there mostly old games who already completed their sales life cycle is much cheaper for them than to secure deals to put games there day one.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
That's a good point, but lets try not to lose sight that $21 Billion in pure profit is crazy high. Plus Amazon's operational cost are INSANE! They have their own Airplanes that helps ships packages in a matter of hours.
fragganaut
Member
Yeah I'm mostly reading, because by the time I usually have a Message written, most of the Thread has switched to a different topicHey, you only posted 11 times around here since 10 years, this makes me proud that I seem to entertain you as I see a lot of reactions from you. Thanks a lot and enjoy gaming and life!
...you are one of the "reasonables" here might be the reason why I tend to agree with your posts.
Mahavastu
Member
CDKeys not really needed for 40 euros.
Here in Germany (and probably the rest of Europe) Playstation had (very) few Sales, where you could get the 12months PS+ subscriptions for an official price of 40-45 euro at large online/offline retailers.
I got mine short after the PS5 release, but there was also a sale in the summer. When you are not in a hurry it is fine
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Yeah I'm mostly reading, because by the time I usually have a Message written, most of the Thread has switched to a different topic
Thank you, mate! It's an honor.
It's $50 from Oman PS Store, seems to be $60 in the US and probably more on other markets for PS Plus. But I use a US account and just buy it from their store at $60. Let my buddy Jimbo enjoy that full cash.
Bryank75
Banned
What PlayStation needs is their own Minecraft... or Roblox or something like that.
Some perpetual game that is on mobile and PC, that generates constant revenue from MTX.....then they should require a PSN login and put incentives to join PS+ (Free in game credit every month, unique costumes).
That would boost the PS+ number a lot IMO.
Some perpetual game that is on mobile and PC, that generates constant revenue from MTX.....then they should require a PSN login and put incentives to join PS+ (Free in game credit every month, unique costumes).
That would boost the PS+ number a lot IMO.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I wasn't just talking about acquisitions. I was just responding to rumors that they killed DG2 and Death Stranding 2 because they didnt sell well. Despite both of them being profitable.
But yes, bluepoint's next game should be fully funded by them like SOTC and Demon Souls. Same goes for kojipro.
And make ND bigger. There was an interview recently where their CEO was going how they still cant do multiple teams because of management issues. And Im like just have two separate teams with their own production staff completely independent from one another. Why ND only has 300 employees is beyond me. They are not some mom and pop shop desperately clinging on to their "culture". Fuck your culture. They are too big for that. Give directors all the power and have everyone else work on HIS vision. If he is willing to let his team experiment, good. But it's 2021 and you cannot pretend you are an indie studio where hiring more people will fuck with the team synergy.
Same goes for SSM and GG. These studios should all have multiple teams that do not even have to think about stealing resources from one another. Promote from within. Have the lead designer of TLOU make his own game. Have Neil continue to work on TLOU if he wants. Let Cory make his new IP and dont just give him 5 people to go make it. Give him a full team from day one and hit the ground running. Have someone else lead GoW2.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
I think that's what they're seeking now with the newly established Mobile Division.
Run Sackboy! Run! - Apps on Google Play
Help Sackboy escape the Negativitron in this new adventure from LittleBigPlanet™
But now they're more serious:
Sony plots big PlayStation push into mobile gaming
Sony is plotting a big push into mobile gaming - with the biggest PlayStation games key to the effort.A job advertiseme…
www.eurogamer.net
Bryank75
Banned
I think that's what they're seeking now with the newly established Mobile Division.
Run Sackboy! Run! - Apps on Google Play
Help Sackboy escape the Negativitron in this new adventure from LittleBigPlanet™play.google.com
But now they're more serious:
Sony plots big PlayStation push into mobile gaming
Sony is plotting a big push into mobile gaming - with the biggest PlayStation games key to the effort.A job advertiseme…
Yeah but they should have bought something tried and true, to start the mobile part off on the right footing.
Not Fate/Grand Order cause that's Sony Music.....
They missed the boat on Roblox.....something like Genshin would work I think.
Then add games from the PS brands to build out from there.
An Astrobot mobile game might work well or an old style GOW game.
Krappadizzle
Member
Count me as one. I subbed to play Ghost of Tsushima coop. Haven't used it at all though in probably at least 5 or 6 mos. since then though. At least I got the sub for cheap.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I think PSP games or Vita games are cheaper to port and make some good money. But they can ride the hype as it's not too risky and expensive to try their luck like on PS5's AAA.
Bryank75
Banned
100%.... Golden Abyss and the two PSP GOW games and just add mobile controls. I think they'd be pretty cool.
eyesabitdull
Banned
I mean.
The PS5 has a Digital Edition.
The PS5 (both disc and DE) sold shit tons across the board.
So, no wonder?
The PS5 has a Digital Edition.
The PS5 (both disc and DE) sold shit tons across the board.
So, no wonder?
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Amazon actually made no profits for almost 2 decades. Their stock kept going higher and higher though because capitalisms a fucking joke. Netflix is the same way. Some companies like Tesla are propped by Wallstreet based on what they COULD become in the future while other successful companies that post profits on a regular basis are treated like aids.
Amazon was allowed to invest and invest and invest because investors saw the future of online shopping, but Amazon did far more than just online shopping. Now Sony on the other hand couldnt really invest much in anything because they were held to a different standard; make profits nao! No one at Wallstreet looked at how fast gaming was growing. they are still not doing it. I remember reading an article on how gaming industry revenue is now bigger than the global movie revenue and ALL of American sports revenue combined. And yet, no investors bank on Sony like they do Amazon when they allowed them to go from an online book seller to a $380 BILLION global conglomerate spending billions on tv shows, movies, games, cloud services, and everything else they can get their hands on.
It's an unfair game. Who knows where Sony would be now if investors had the foresight to see the potential of the gaming industry ten or even five years ago.
Bryank75
Banned
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Yeah it's just too good for mobile gaming in terms of quality. Pumping those games into mobile gaming will make them standout like they are now with their top tier AAA games. Also releasing accessories to make them VITA-like for those not interested in taking a DS4/DualSense around.
But you can bluetooth connect anyway while mounted on the phone or use some of those mobile covers and use the controller freely:
Yeah that was xCloud, lol. You can as well play on Android and Apple TV with those mobile games:
This is cheap and convenient to most parents who can't afford console gaming as well.
MrSarcastic
Banned
What? how can this be?!!! I read that there was a mass exodus of PS players to another place. I am confused.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
That's pretty enlightening! But I think investors will invest big as Sony is entering the automobile business pretty soon with many German and high profile partners to make it nearly too hard to fail!
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Xbox Live was perfect than Microsoft manifested game pass that’s a little crazy imagine trying to finish all those games in a month that some people won’t finish in a life time.
The problem is that you as a stockholder can't tell the difference between bad investment and good investment. The reason that Amazon didn't make profits was cause they were dumping money into their logistics and aws.
Andodalf
Banned
PS+ competes against gold, as everyone knows. How dumb do you think the people on this board are? Or is this one of those posts you make to help convince your other warriors that everything alright?
base
Banned
Why not PSVita 2 then?Mobile gaming is much bigger, that's why PlayStation is investing on it now. Those casuals pay good.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I would say lesser risk, faster/bigger profit.
Wouldn't you like it to have PSVITA2-ish games on your phone?
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betrayal
Banned
Mr Moose
Member
It's old news.
Sony Surges to 20-Year High as IPhone, Games Spur Outlook Hike
Sony Corp. surged to a 20-year high after raising its annual operating income outlook by 34%, banking on robust games sales and Apple Inc.’s iPhone 12.
www.bloomberg.com
February 3, 2021
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down 2 orth
Member
Thanks for the tip. I just saw 12 months of Plus for $30 there and I'm wondering what the catch is...
Mr Moose
Member
They must have cracked that elusive 1 percent of China market.
Sorry I couldn't find the original 1 percent post here
Sony announces 18.5 million PlayStation 4 consoles sold WW
And Xbone is 9 spots in front of PS4 on Amazon Monthly in January. ;-) So the gap is closing amirite?
Dick Jones
Gold Member
The Artisan. Fuck... I forgot about that poster.Sony announces 18.5 million PlayStation 4 consoles sold WW
And Xbone is 9 spots in front of PS4 on Amazon Monthly in January. ;-) So the gap is closing amirite?www.neogaf.com
Miles708
Member
Only to have it all taken away as soon as you stop paying.Ps plus, my backlog is simply incredible. Days gone and control and + a host of other amazing games still to be played.
Considering the price i paid, and the quality you get, it's simply amazing.
I am basically paying 35 quid a year and maybe buying a few games on a super cheap sale.
One very happy playstation gamer
sircaw
Banned
Well yer, is there a subscription system that allows you to keep them when you stop?
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Couldn't have said it better myself.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
He used to go by Irfan in the Cricket threads IIRC. Everyone hated him lmao.
He's now a mod over at ERA which is hilarious because the guy used to post suicidal threads all the time. Surely, we cant have people with severe depression and mental illness moderating forums, no?
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