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Plus-size model Tess Holliday’s Cosmopolitan magazine cover stirs controversy
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yeah, BMI is very inaccurate when muscle densitiy comes into play. Athletes/Body Builders, etc., would be "obese" or "overweight" on the BMI chart. For your average person however, it does serve as a starting point.
But as you said, BF% is a much more accurate indicator.
prag16
Banned
But what are those tattoos gonna look like if she ever loses a significant amount of weight?
I'm not for shitting on people for being fat. But we shouldn't be normalizing this type of morbid obesity either, obviously.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
You lift bro?
Yeah, this thread is certainly a handy overview of what the Neogaf of today is alright.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Sorry, but she's straight up obese. This is NOT a healthy body ideal (just like being too skinny).
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Super Mario
Banned
If you haven't decided by now, Liberal powers find every single "victim" class and offer them a wave of support. People that look like her don't deserve ridicule, but this is too much. She is disgusting looking and extremely unhealthy. None of this needs to be glorified.
zombie_gamer87
Member
Obesity is encouraged in 2018.
hecatomb
Banned
Yes I know you can be overweight and still be in shape like how the words strongest man is like 6'9 and he weighs like 400 pounds, hafþór júlíus björnsson is his name. Though he's all muscle and not fat. That girl on the cover though is just fat, she has no muscle.
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metareferential
Member
Nothing to do with beauty. That's something for medical literature on obesity.
Just as (potentially) dangerous as size 0 teenage models.
Just as (potentially) dangerous as size 0 teenage models.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
DarkArterialGore
Member
I wonder what Scott Steiner thinks...
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Bryank75
Banned
Wanted to see if anyone would be outraged...... mission successful. Time for a glass of wine.
Bryank75
Banned
Bet she could get the whole Bayeux Tapestry on there....
Captain Zyrain
Member
As someone who weighs more than I'd like to, I feel conflicted on this.
Should you be able to love yourself no matter how you look/feel/exist-as? Maybe, I suppose so.
Do you need to be lauded for it? Be told how "brave you are" for whatever? I don't think so.
I assume everyone can agree being that overweight is not advantageous for a long healthy life.
I am sure there are a decent amount of people who are attracted to her and that look, and more power to them, whatever floats their boat.
I don't think she should be a role model for people though.
Should you be able to love yourself no matter how you look/feel/exist-as? Maybe, I suppose so.
Do you need to be lauded for it? Be told how "brave you are" for whatever? I don't think so.
I assume everyone can agree being that overweight is not advantageous for a long healthy life.
I am sure there are a decent amount of people who are attracted to her and that look, and more power to them, whatever floats their boat.
I don't think she should be a role model for people though.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
This is more harmful to young girls than sexualized female characters in videogames and Anime.
brap
Banned
Lmao you don't know how I think at all you fucking idiots. You really wanna support morbidly obese people? Is that really the person that you want to be?
she got a fat ass doe ngl
switchback27
Member
Similar boat. Gaining weight for people like me doesn't take a lot of effort--grab a few Cokes and some chips, sit in front of a PC doing work or playing games, voila, you gain weight.
What's "brave" for someone like me is being willing to sacrifice stuff I like (snacks, soft drinks, etc.) so that I can be in better health.
I don't believe people should be shamed for having a type of body, but I do believe that there needs to be information about the objective risks that certain body types entail. If a certain body type is more of a health risk, then it should not be celebrated as something to look up at. There is definitely a middle ground between "shaming a body type" and "celebrating a body type."
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bitbydeath
Member
Seriously though, if being miserable and/or depressed is what they need to give them a kick in the right direction then I'm all for it.
Papa
Banned
My preference would for them to get healthy and be happy, but if the choice is between them being obese and miserable or obese and deluded into think they're healthy, I'll take obese and miserable. At least then there is still a shred of hope that they will do something about it.
manfestival
Member
I like how society went from all of these weight loss programs being huge(still very popular mind you) to... this whole love yourself trend. Granted loving yourself would actually mean to take care of your body since you would want to live longer cause you love your life and yourself and etc.... but I guess it has come down to not caring about yourself and accepting yourself regardless of what you let yourself become
5secondrulesucks
Banned
well a lot of those weight loss things in the past were scams or those like appetite killing pills that all those people died from kind of went away. i think what emerged is a lot of gym culture stuff and while i hate that stupid kind of gym rat mentality its better than the alternative which is just being lazy. a lot of this fat acceptance thing is still fringe and youll have the usual suspects championing this view but its still very much a minority
look if she was overweight I had no problem with this but this here is a health hazard and should not be encouraged. If you want to destroy your body and raise the risk of dying you can do what you want but to encourage others that this is ok is even upsetting me. No you are not ok and People like this need professional help.
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Vicetrailia
Member
I appreciate and see the struggle that people go through. Whether you start skinny and get big, or were basically big your whole life, it takes drastic change to lose significant weight, and for many its an infinite struggle.
JordanN
Banned
So apparently there was a thread on Resetera where they lost their minds over a GAF thread on some overweight model.
I finally had to go see what the hub bub was about and I wasn't expecting her to be THAT big.
While I personally don't care if someone wants to eat themselves into the size of a fridge, in no way do I have to accept or congratulate people who are extremely obese.
Like someone mentioned a few posts up, this type of female representation is more damaging and honestly, just revolting on the eyes compared to any sexualized video game character.
Video games are at least fake and treated as entertainment. Being obese has real life consequences and if it doesn't kill you today, it will kill you through diabetes, heart disease or asthma.
I finally had to go see what the hub bub was about and I wasn't expecting her to be THAT big.
While I personally don't care if someone wants to eat themselves into the size of a fridge, in no way do I have to accept or congratulate people who are extremely obese.
Like someone mentioned a few posts up, this type of female representation is more damaging and honestly, just revolting on the eyes compared to any sexualized video game character.
Video games are at least fake and treated as entertainment. Being obese has real life consequences and if it doesn't kill you today, it will kill you through diabetes, heart disease or asthma.
llien
Member
That's not what I meant by "slightly overweight" though.
Women are more curvy in general, having 3 layers of fat cells, where men have only one.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
While I get that she's obese and that we probably shouldn't celebrate her body figure, some of the language in here is pretty hurtful and disgusting. You can discuss this topic without letting the world know that you wouldn't want to have sex with this woman or how long you predict she will live for.
eot
Banned
Being a strongman is extremely unhealthy too, they're not free from heart problems. We're not made to be that big.
5secondrulesucks
Banned
nah i dont believe that shit. sometimes people need rude awakenings. sometimes people REALLY need it. she has a super pretty face thats why not one has never questioned her. you cant coddle people because i think it does more damage than good. if i was fucking up my life id rather people be stern and honestly probably kind of mean in the way they talk to me instead of someone just bouncing around the issue.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
Medically obese.... I chuckle every time I read this. People do love to put their problems somewhere out of their control, do they?
I have seen this being said and written so many times but I have actually yet to meet a person that is medically obese... Everyone else is just saying this crap so they don't have to feel guilty when downing a burrito every evening. Pathetic...
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There's body confidence, which is fine and good and a positive thing...
...and then there's "what people find attractive" which are two completely separate things.
...and then there's health...which is kind of inarguable.
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I applaud this person for having the confidence to do something like this and be OK with her own image.
I don't find her attractive pretty much from the neck down.
She is unquestionably not healthy.
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I have no problem with people being comfortable in their skin. I envy it, actually. I've had body shame issues basically my entire life, and I was never as bad as the woman in this picture. To be on the cover of a magazine, knowing how controversial it would be and just being good with it is very much a positive thing in her life.
The problem comes in when someone tells me that I'm supposed to find her beautiful. That's my opinion, and just because she shouldn't be shamed for how she is doesn't mean I need to find her attractive.
And anyone defending her health or encouraging her to stay this way cares more about the social acceptability of letting people be unhealthy than actually encouraging them to live a longer and more fruitful life.
...and then there's "what people find attractive" which are two completely separate things.
...and then there's health...which is kind of inarguable.
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I applaud this person for having the confidence to do something like this and be OK with her own image.
I don't find her attractive pretty much from the neck down.
She is unquestionably not healthy.
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I have no problem with people being comfortable in their skin. I envy it, actually. I've had body shame issues basically my entire life, and I was never as bad as the woman in this picture. To be on the cover of a magazine, knowing how controversial it would be and just being good with it is very much a positive thing in her life.
The problem comes in when someone tells me that I'm supposed to find her beautiful. That's my opinion, and just because she shouldn't be shamed for how she is doesn't mean I need to find her attractive.
And anyone defending her health or encouraging her to stay this way cares more about the social acceptability of letting people be unhealthy than actually encouraging them to live a longer and more fruitful life.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So much this!