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[backlot]

Look, being serious now, there are checks for EVERYTHING in Pokémon. We both know that. We can go back and forth like this all day long with every Pokémon in existence. But battles aren't so fatalistically rigid in how they play out. Spikes, of all things, is not a problem for my team. Reflect halves anything they can accomplish with Swords Dance. And if I see them setting up -- I drop a screen, and switch to a sweeper. Does it always work? No. Does it work enough to feel reliable under most circumstances? Absolutely. It's just as much a gamble to send out a sweeper with no protection and assume the leads will pan out nicely so you don't have to switch. It's proven to be -less- a gamble, in most cases, to go in and set up fortifications, not knowing the full extent of the other team (as is the case in 3v3, where they pick a few but you don't know which). Given the vast, vast number of moves in existence, it's highly situational to come across a Brick Break, a Taunt, a Defog or a Magic Bounce -- and usually it's obvious when they're coming, and you shuffle priorities accordingly. Sometimes, you can even use Carbink as bait deliberately -- a switch to Noivern when they think they're going to hit you with Earthquake (which doesn't OHKO anyways), for example. Pokémon is a beautifully fluid thing.

Just a word of advice: Don't waste your time setting up a screen when your opponent is Swords Dancing. It just gives them time to do another Swords Dance. You also wouldn't need to worry about taking damage on switches if your suicide lead actually did its job properly.

 

[HawthorneKitty]

8WSW-WWWW-WWW2-LUG8

The face of a killer.

Cinccino is what killed the dinosaurs.

Why is it male....

 

[Neiteio]

Just a word of advice: Don't waste your time setting up a screen when your opponent is Swords Dancing. It just gives them time to do another Swords Dance. You also wouldn't need to worry about taking damage on switches if your suicide lead actually did its job properly.

They don't have to worry once screens are set up.

Yes <3
Never let him set up switch in a counter whenever you see him

Well, I'm hella impressed by Gogoat. :O

Scrafty, those videos are amazing. But how were you fighting a Mewtwo in what appeared to be Battle Spot?

 

[B-Dubs]

Why is it male....

How is it supposed to bend your opponents over and butt-rape them if it's not a male?

 

[spiritfox]

Damnit you stupid Japanese and your Elegant Vivillons. Managed to get an Tundra at least.

 

[Kokonoe]

How do you pass down abilities? just wasted like 10 eggs.

 

[SkullHydra]

Just a word of advice: Don't waste your time setting up a screen when your opponent is Swords Dancing. It just gives them time to do another Swords Dance. You also wouldn't need to worry about taking damage on switches if your suicide lead actually did its job properly.

Really? That entire post he made, and all you got was that he needs to play differently? *Sigh* We get it. Youu don't like Carbink. You think it sucks, and don't like it when people think it's good. But leave it alone dude. We're all supposed to have fun here.

On a different note, Clawitzer hits HARD! It took my Carbink down to low yellow in one hit. DX

 

[ScraftyDevil]

Scrafty, those videos are amazing. But how were you fighting a Mewtwo in what appeared to be Battle Spot?

Thanks! You can have one of the reject Sableye if you wish

Oh, and I was doing unrated battles because I like crushing punks who think they can win with Legendaries.

Spoiler

I'm kind of a jerk in that sense.

 

[Busaiku]

Why is it male....

Because it's the 21st century!

 

[B-Dubs]

How do you pass down abilities? just wasted like 10 eggs.

I think the female passes it down.

 

[ramyeon]

Ha, just had a funny battle where I swept this guy's team using Kanga, his last pokemon was Garchomp. I decided to use Earthquake to take it out and guess what he uses? Dig I wish I could've seen his face. Of course he promptly disconnected as soon as it happened :/

 

[Neiteio]

Thanks! You can have one of the reject Sableye if you wish

Oh, and I was doing unrated battles because I like crushing punks who think they can win with Legendaries.

Spoiler

I'm kind of a jerk in that sense.

I may take you up on that offer!

When I saw that Sableye/Kangaskhan/Togekiss core, I was all like:

 

[FSLink]

Really? That entire post he made, and all you got was that he needs to play differently? *Sigh* We get it. Youu don't like Carbink. You think it sucks, and don't like it when people think it's good. But leave it alone dude. We're all supposed to have fun here.

I do think that Carbink has uses even against legendaries, and is a fantastic check/counter for certain Pokemon like Talonflame, but I also don't feel it's that great. You don't have to take it so personally.

Why is it male....

Hey, my shiny Cinccino is male and it likes being fabulous.

 

[HovaHovito]

Mind if I ask what your set up for Gogoat is? I've been wanting to add him to my team. Thanks.

Leftovers @ careful i believe
Bulk up
Milk drink
Horn leech
Rockslide


Lol just made some korean guy forfeit to my volcarona

 

[Neiteio]

Leftovers @ careful i believe
Bulk up
Milk drink
Horn leech
Rockslide

THAT'S IT! THAT'S THE SET THAT DESTROYED ME!

 

[ramyeon]

What kind of EV spread are people putting on Talonflame? I saw on Smogon they're saying 252 atk and then splitting the rest between HP and Spe... But do you need the Speed? Gale Wings gives priority anyway so unless you're in a priority v priority situation you wouldn't need that much.

 

[Ethereal Ardor]

Leftovers @ careful i believe
Bulk up
Milk drink
Horn leech
Rockslide


Lol just made some korean guy forfeit to my volcarona

Aw damnit, I got a 5 IV Adamant one Think it's still viable?

THAT'S IT! THAT'S THE SET THAT DESTROYED ME!

Convert me to the ways of Carbink
Do you think Carbink would work well with a dual screen Espeon?

 

[SkullHydra]

I do think that Carbink has uses even against legendaries, and is a fantastic check/counter for certain Pokemon like Talonflame, but I also don't feel it's that great. You don't have to take it so personally.

Oh, I'm not upset or anything. It just gets old when people come in here to talk down about Pokémon people really enjoy playing with. Theprodigy did it in the last OT a lot, and it was very annoying. I have nothing against disliking a Pokémon, but you don't have to keep bringing up how much it sucks.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

I may take you up on that offer!

When I saw that Sableye/Kangaskhan/Togekiss core, I was all like:

Aw, shucks >//<

I was actually swapping out Togekiss for Gliscor on occasion if the enemy appeared to have more physical attackers than special attackers, but every match in which I used it resulted in the enemy ragequitting :/

 

[HovaHovito]

Aw damnit, I got a 5 IV Adamant one Think it's still viable?



Convert me to the ways of Carbink
Do you think Carbink would work well with a dual screen Espeon?

I dont see why not



Just got swept by skill link shell smash cloyster

 

[Atlantis]

What kind of EV spread are people putting on Talonflame? I saw on Smogon they're saying 252 atk and then splitting the rest between HP and Spe... But do you need the Speed? Gale Wings gives priority anyway so unless you're in a priority v priority situation you wouldn't need that much.

The thing that's important to remember is that Smogon sets are designed around a more centralized metagame. Those recommended Speed EVs allow Talonflame to outspeed Jolly Excadrill and hit him with Flare Blitz.

Take a look at what you're facing online and mold your sets and EVs around that instead of Smogon.

 

[backlot]

Oh, I'm not upset or anything. It just gets old when people come in here to talk down about Pokémon people really enjoy playing with. Theprodigy did it in the last OT a lot, and it was very annoying. I have nothing against disliking a Pokémon, but you don't have to keep bringing up how much it sucks.

Imagine how annoying it is for me to see nearly every page of this thread spammed with endless posts about a single Pokemon. Carbink is cool but you guys seriously need to give it a rest.

 

[Neiteio]

Oh, I'm not upset or anything. It just gets old when people come in here to talk down about Pokémon people really enjoy playing with. Theprodigy did it in the last OT a lot, and it was very annoying. I have nothing against disliking a Pokémon, but you don't have to keep bringing up how much it sucks.

Yeah. Especially when Carbink is AWESOME!

Convert me to the ways of Carbink
Do you think Carbink would work well with a dual screen Espeon?

If you already have Espeon dual-screening, not much need for Carbink on your team. Although if you want to free up Espeon for other moves like Calm Mind and Wish, Carbink is the most durable dual-screener around! He can also run Trick Room, three out of four weather moves, Stealth Rock and more! Just make sure you go with Sturdy Carbink, to be absolutely safe. And equip Light Clay -- screens will last eight turns instead of five!

Aw, shucks >//<

I was actually swapping out Togekiss for Gliscor on occasion if the enemy appeared to have more physical attackers than special attackers, but every match in which I used it resulted in the enemy ragequitting :/

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is anything else capable of Prankster Taunt AND Prankster Will-O-Wisp AND Prankster Recover? My god, Sableye is a revelation. And Foul Play fits so neatly in the fourth slot (although I guess the way Will-O-Wisp reduces the enemy's Attack works counter to Foul Play).

And I, myself, was the victim of a para-flinch Togekiss today. I would've forfeit but it was a Japanese fellow and they love honorable samurai deaths so I went down in a blaze of glory.

And Mega Kangaskhan... Still figuring him out. Best answer I have is Prankster Klefki with Reflect and then T-Wave to at least disable the bastard, halve his Attack and get the jump on him in following turns, but even then Sucker Punch means no one is safe. His existence has hamstrung a number of 3v3 battles, where I see him in Team Preview and no one else on the enemy team would necessitate Klefki, but I send in Klefki anyways just in the event of a Kangaskhan lead, and often this imbalance has jeopardized my core.

Good stuff!

 

[Atlantis]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is anything else capable of Prankster Taunt AND Prankster Will-O-Wisp AND Prankster Recover? My god, Sableye is a revelation. And Foul Play fits so neatly in the fourth slot (although I guess the way Will-O-Wisp reduces the enemy's Attack works counter to Foul Play).

Now Sableye is a Pokemon I'd talk about for two pages.

Spoiler

Also Clefable.

Foul Play or Night Shade work in the last slot, but I want to try and experiment with the buffed Knock Off, too. Less power than Night Shade or Foul Play but item removal is definitely awesome.

 

[Kokonoe]

All right, I know this isn't the trade thread, but I'm going nuts trying to get a Female Eevee with Anticipation. Been about 5-6 hours worth of trading and breeding with no dice. I don't want RNG to kill the game for me so if anyone could help, I'd appreciate it.

I don't have much, but I have:

Male Eevee Anticipation
Ninetails Drought (has a japanese nickname)
Gibble Sand Veil

4656-7095-9745

 

[Neiteio]

Now Sableye is a Pokemon I'd talk about for two pages. I love this thing.

Foul Play or Night Shade work in the last slot, but I wanted to try and experiment with the new Knock Off, too. Probably less powerful than Foul Play or Night Shade but removing items it awesome.

Actually, yeah, Night Shade would seem like a good option in slot No. 4 for Sableye. Under Flat Rules, it takes off a consistent 50HP (because everyone's lv. 50). Most Pokémon have under 200 HP at lv. 50 -- add that with Recover stall on Will-O-Wisp and denying setups with Taunt, and Night Shade might be the more reliable attack, no?

 

[FSLink]

All right, I know this isn't the trade thread, but I'm going nuts trying to get a Female Eevee with Anticipation. Been about 5-6 hours worth of trading and breeding with no dice. I don't want RNG to kill the game for me so if anyone could help, I'd appreciate it.

I don't have much, but I have:

Male Eevee Anticipation
Ninetails Drought (has a japanese nickname)
Gibble Sand Veil

4656-7095-9745

Just to be sure, you are breeding a male Eevee with Anticipation with a Ditto right? If you pair it up with a female Eevee without its hidden ability it won't pass on. If you're willing to wait, I can probably catch you one thanks to Cute Charm + Friend Safari.

EDIT: Found a female Eevee with Anticipation that's Adamant natured in one of my boxes if you want it.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is anything else capable of Prankster Taunt AND Prankster Will-O-Wisp AND Prankster Recover? My god, Sableye is a revelation. And Foul Play fits so neatly in the fourth slot (although I guess the way Will-O-Wisp reduces the enemy's Attack works counter to Foul Play).

Give backlot credit for teaching me the way of the Prankster. Without him, I wouldn't have given Sableye a second glance.

Oh, and Foul Play damage isn't affected ny Burns, so I can go crazy with Will-O-Wisps without any repurcussions

 

[Atlantis]

Actually, yeah, Night Shade would seem like a good option in slot No. 4. Under Flat Rules, it takes off a consist 50HP (because everyone's lv. 50). Most Pokémon have under 200 HP at lv. 50 -- add that with Recover stall on Will-O-Wisp and denying setups with Taunt, and Night Shade might be the more reliable attack, no?

It's reliable damage but Normal-types (Like a certain mega-form...) are immune.

Trying to adjust EVs for him. Not sure if I want him bulkier on the physical or special side yet and I'm experimenting with some Speed, too.

Whoa, I just thought about the implications of guaranteed item removal via Knock Off. It is guaranteed, right? So you can knock off Assault Vests, and Life Orbs, and Choice Scarfs? :O

Yup!

 

[Neiteio]

Now Sableye is a Pokemon I'd talk about for two pages.

Spoiler

Also Clefable.

Foul Play or Night Shade work in the last slot, but I want to try and experiment with the buffed Knock Off, too. Less power than Night Shade or Foul Play but item removal is definitely awesome.

Whoa, I just thought about the implications of guaranteed item removal via Knock Off. It is guaranteed, right? So you can knock off Assault Vests, and Life Orbs, and Choice Scarfs? :O

 

[Neiteio]

Give backlot credit for teaching me the way of the Prankster. Without him, I wouldn't have given Sableye a second glance.

Oh, and Foul Play damage isn't affected ny Burns, so I can go crazy with Will-O-Wisps without any repurcussions

It's reliable damage but Normal-types (Like a certain mega-form...) are immune.

Trying to adjust EVs for him. Not sure if I want him bulkier on the physical or special side yet and I'm experimenting with some speed, too.

Ah, good points, good points. I guess Foul Play is the best option, or at least it comes down to Foul Play vs. Knock Off. Pros and cons?

 

[backlot]

Now Sableye is a Pokemon I'd talk about for two pages.

Spoiler

Also Clefable.

Foul Play or Night Shade work in the last slot, but I want to try and experiment with the buffed Knock Off, too. Less power than Night Shade or Foul Play but item removal is definitely awesome.

You could try Trick instead of Knock Off. Giving a speedy Pokemon Lagging Tail was a lot of fun in gen 5. Too bad Mega Blaziken is immune to Trick now.

 

[Kokonoe]

Just to be sure, you are breeding a male Eevee with Anticipation with a Ditto right? If you pair it up with a female Eevee without its hidden ability it won't pass on. If you're willing to wait, I can probably catch you one thanks to Cute Charm + Friend Safari.

EDIT: Found a female Eevee with Anticipation that's Adamant natured in one of my boxes if you want it.

Yes! I would greatly appreciate that!

 

[Neiteio]

Hey Scrafty, what hold item did you give your Sableye? It wasn't Leftovers because Togekiss had that.

 

[Ethereal Ardor]

If you already have Espeon dual-screening, not much need for Carbink on your team. Although if you want to free up Espeon for other moves like Calm Mind and Wish, Carbink is the most durable dual-screener around! He can also run Trick Room, three out of four weather moves, Stealth Rock and more! Just make sure you go with Sturdy Carbink, to be absolutely safe. And equip Light Clay -- screens will last eight turns instead of five!

Thanks! Also I have a Timid/ HA / 31/x/31/31/31/31 Eevee. Any suggestions on 2 other moves and EV spread on top of Calm Mind and Wish?

 

[FSLink]

Yes! I would greatly appreciate that!

Cool, I'm online. Just give me whatever. 0688-5275-6848

 

[Kokonoe]

Cool, I'm online. Just give me whatever. 0688-5275-6848

Nice. Added!

 

[ramyeon]

The thing that's important to remember is that Smogon sets are designed around a more centralized metagame. Those recommended Speed EVs allow Talonflame to outspeed Jolly Excadrill and hit him with Flare Blitz.

Take a look at what you're facing online and mold your sets and EVs around that instead of Smogon.

Yeah I figure they're pretty specialised sets. Still not bad to go for to get a rough idea of what works, especially since I'm new to pretty much everything outside the main game of Pokemon.

I suppose I'd probably end up going 252 in Atk and splitting the rest between HP and SpD.

 

[ScraftyDevil]

Hey Scrafty, what hold item did you give your Sableye? It wasn't Leftovers because Togekiss had that.

I gave her a Focus Sash to ensure she could at least get both a Wisp and a Taunt off on a tough foe, and so that I was afforded one free mess-up. Priority Recovery actually works really well in such scenarios so long as you're good at reading the opponent.

I really wish there was an item that extensed the duration of Taunt, though :/

 

[Kokonoe]

Thanks again FSLink! Greatly appreciate it! =)

 

[FSLink]

Anytime. Now to run around in your Friend Safari in hopes of a shiny.

Yeah I figure they're pretty specialised sets. Still not bad to go for to get a rough idea of what works, especially since I'm new to pretty much everything outside the main game of Pokemon.

I suppose I'd probably end up going 252 in Atk and splitting the rest between HP and SpD.

Why Special Defense? Talonflame ain't gonna live from a Surf or something no matter how much Special Defense EVs you put into it.

 

[Neiteio]

I gave her a Focus Sash to ensure she could at least get both a Wisp and a Taunt off on a tough foe, and so that I was afforded one free mess-up. Priority Recovery actually works really well in such scenarios so long as you're good at reading the opponent.

Oh yeah, I bet if you don't get OHKO the first time and you Recover to full HP, your Focus Sash is effectively still good to go. :O

I really wish there was an item that extensed the duration of Taunt, though :/

Bah! As a Carbink/Klefki user, it's long enough!!

 

[ramyeon]

Anytime. Now to run around in your Friend Safari in hopes of a shiny.



Why Special Defense? Talonflame ain't gonna live from a Surf or something no matter how much Special Defense EVs you put into it.

Ah okay, well I'm asking for suggestions so if you have any go for it

Would it be better to just plunk it all in HP?

 

[Neiteio]

You could try Trick instead of Knock Off. Giving a speedy Pokemon Lagging Tail was a lot of fun in gen 5. Too bad Mega Blaziken is immune to Trick now.

Trick is a neat move. A Reuniclus used it to take my Aegislash's Weakness Policy and give it Flame Orb! :O

 

[FSLink]

Ah okay, well I'm asking for suggestions so if you have any go for it

Would it be better to just plunk it all in HP?

I say the Smogon recommend set is best, though a lot of people max out Speed for no reason, so if you want to at least get a Speed tie with other Talonflames, you can run max speed too and use less Atk EVs and just give it Swords Dance or something or go with less HP EVs.

 

[Atlantis]

Ah okay, well I'm asking for suggestions so if you have any go for it

Would it be better to just plunk it all in HP?

If you're not trying to reach a certain Speed, yes. IIRC 248 HP EVs is what you should shoot for as it'll allow you to switch into Stealth Rock twice instead of once with 252.

 

[HovaHovito]

Kangaskhan is so cheap

 

[ramyeon]

I say the Smogon recommend set is best, though a lot of people max out Speed for no reason, so if you want to at least get a Speed tie with other Talonflames, you can run max speed too and use less Atk EVs and just give it Swords Dance or something or go with less HP EVs.

I guess I can see the merit in having more speed to go before other Talonflames and priority moves, could be useful I guess.

Man, Ferrothorn with Rocky Helmet totally trolls Mega Kangaskhan. Since Parental Bond hits twice you get damaged twice as well, pretty bad.

 

[Beaniedude]

Hey guys,
I wanted to put Carbink in my Exploders team and was wondering if there was an easy way of breeding them.
Because they are genderless they can only breed with themselves and dittos right?
If so I'm going to need to do a lot more catching.

 

[backlot]

Trick is a neat move. A Reuniclus used it to take my Aegislash's Weakness Policy and give it Flame Orb! :O

Once when I was using Sableye a Suicune hit me with Toxic. I used Trick to steal its Lum Berry and heal myself. I'm also using Trick right now on my Wash Rotom with Choice Specs. It can be a lot of fun.