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Pokemon Gold/Silver for 3DS VC
- Thread starter Kyzer
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You're missing the entire point of it releasing on virtual console, why would you even expect them to add new content that didn't exist in the original version?
First they didn't give me Crystal remake. Now they won't give me Crystal VC. Why are you hating on the best Pokémon game, Nintendo??
They did do a crystal remake it was folded in with Gold and Silver in Heart Gold and Soul Silver, which is more than what Emerald got in the gen 3 remake.
Between both versions you can catch all Pokémon in the, barring a few that require gen 1 and are event Pokémon such as Mew and Celebi.
You can get both Lugia and Ho-Oh in one cart, just that one will be at a higher level and will not have its exclusive move.
Yeah that is interesting to how they will handle it, as I do want to buy it so I don't have to replace the battery but it would require me to buy it on the 2DS for trading purpose.
Plus after buying the Switch I have kinda moved on from Virtual console on the 3DS and Wii U.
What's the issue here?
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Nintendo should just not release any Switch games at all until the install base is large enough, which will just magically happen. Because THAT'S not dumb as fuck.
Pokémon games have to have community. You can't build a community on a console that doesn't even have enough units on shelves. Otherwise next championship would be between just a couple of people.
dancrane212
Member
Talking about the new content exclusive to Crystal over Gold/Silver.
Diablohead
Member
I sold my gold cart years ago like the idiot I am.
I would buy it digitally but I would prefer it on my switch then my 2DS
I would buy it digitally but I would prefer it on my switch then my 2DS
It'll go away (or start to) in 2018. Give it one last year.
Robin64
Member
In Gen 2, shininess is determined by IVs - specifically, Speed/Defense/Special must be equal to 10, and Attack must be 2/3/6/7/10/11/14/15. Pokebank attemps to take this into account, but gets the role of the Attack and Defense IVs exactly backwards. Meaning, Pokemon that would be shiny in GSC lose their shininess, and other Pokemon will gain shininess.
Game Freak acts in the best interest of The Pokemon Company, not just Nintendo.
Sshhhhh. Stop making sense.
Nintendo and Game Freak aren't one in the same. People think that it's just legal semantics, but it is clearly not.
Right? What's so hard doing that? I'd also buy the new Fire Emblem for the 3DS in a heartbeat if they were to release it on the Switch.
Well I guess as long as they can't catch up with demand for the system itself, they won't do much of that sadly...
bemusedchunk
Banned
So...Heart Gold/Soul Silver is still the Gen 2 game to play, correct?
Dark Orchid
Member
Shinies in Gen 2 were determined by stats, specifically if the Defense, Special (Gen 2 still only had one Special DV despite splitting it), and Speed were all 10 and the Attack was either 2, 3, 6, 7, 10, 11, 14 or 15. So the DVs of a shiny Pokemon would be something like 8/15/10/10/10 (HP DV was determined by the other 4 instead of being its own thing). When Pokebank updated this year they included a formula to make sure if a Pokemon was shiny in Gen 1/2, it would be shiny in Gen 7. The problem is, they screwed up possibly due to a rushed patch (there were more things wrong with the conversion process too) and Pokemon with the DV spread 8/10/15/10/10 were being counted as shiny instead.
tl;dr: Bank is reading the stats wrong and if you sent the Red Gyarados to a Gen 1 VC game before they patch Bank with G/S stuff, it won't actually be shiny anymore.
Professor Beef
Banned
Yeah there was some work done, but not enough:
[Taken from The Cutting Room Floor]
As I posted on the last page, there's no way to release Crystal internationally without breaking a feature, "romhacking" the game, or only releasing in some countries (iirc Korea only got G/S which were partially based on Crystal's code).
Thank you for the informative posts, even though it seems like a majority of the thread didn't read them.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Yeah, but Nintendo is the majority owner of TPC, aren't they? I guess the structure isn't fully publicly known, but that's how I've understood it. But perhaps they still can't just say "port this game to the Switch", I don't know.
MisterShine
Member
Absolutely. If you're not interested in a 'pitch perfect' experience for what the original was like and don't mind shelling out the extra cash, get HGSS.
OR you might consider the fact that pokemon caught in the VC ones are easily transferrable to the new versions of pokemon due to the bank. Getting your crew off of HGSS would be a giant pain in the ass.
WrenchNinja
Member
Game Freak really hates Kris
Replaced by Lyra and her own game doesn't get a VC release
Replaced by Lyra and her own game doesn't get a VC release
balladofwindfishes
Member
I wonder how many people are going to go back to Gen 2 and realize how messed up the pacing is and how poorly the new Pokemon are distributed.
People planning on making an all Gen 2 team, don't get too excited unless you like using Togetic or Noctowl or whatever. The best Gen II has to offer are either very late game, tied to dumb swarms or trade evolutions.
Thinking about a potential team for me, I get
Feraligatr
Crobat
...err do I want to bother headbutting until I get a Heracross?
Umbreon maybe?
Xatu I guess?
Empty slot until I can get Donphan?
Meanwhile the dream would be
Feraligatr
Crobat
Scizor
Skarmory
Houndoom
Umbreon
But two are found way too late to matter and Scizor is a trade evolution. Umbreon is also kind of bad, since Dark is a Special type. Oh well...
When I replay Pokemon games, or play remakes, I often like to make my team as many of that gen as possible. First time through is whatever, I'll use whoever I like, but next passes I like to give new Pokemon a chance. But Gen II just makes that really, really hard, if not impossible, without making it too hard. Gen II Pokemon you can get before the Kanto are... bad.
Soul Silver I had a much easier time since I had Togekiss and Mammoswine (plus Typhlosion, Crobat, Red Gyarados and one other I forget, maybe Forretress? Or maybe it was Ampharos? Or Azumaril? Anyway, doesn't matter). No such luck this time around, and Togetic and Piloswine aren't really great at all.
People planning on making an all Gen 2 team, don't get too excited unless you like using Togetic or Noctowl or whatever. The best Gen II has to offer are either very late game, tied to dumb swarms or trade evolutions.
Thinking about a potential team for me, I get
Feraligatr
Crobat
...err do I want to bother headbutting until I get a Heracross?
Umbreon maybe?
Xatu I guess?
Empty slot until I can get Donphan?
Meanwhile the dream would be
Feraligatr
Crobat
Scizor
Skarmory
Houndoom
Umbreon
But two are found way too late to matter and Scizor is a trade evolution. Umbreon is also kind of bad, since Dark is a Special type. Oh well...
When I replay Pokemon games, or play remakes, I often like to make my team as many of that gen as possible. First time through is whatever, I'll use whoever I like, but next passes I like to give new Pokemon a chance. But Gen II just makes that really, really hard, if not impossible, without making it too hard. Gen II Pokemon you can get before the Kanto are... bad.
Soul Silver I had a much easier time since I had Togekiss and Mammoswine (plus Typhlosion, Crobat, Red Gyarados and one other I forget, maybe Forretress? Or maybe it was Ampharos? Or Azumaril? Anyway, doesn't matter). No such luck this time around, and Togetic and Piloswine aren't really great at all.
Velcro Fly
Member
I never beat gen 2 without using gameshark to level up before the elite four. 10 year old me knew that level curve was trash.
Schucky Ducky
Banned
Would have picked up Crystal if they released that. Too bad.
I like Togetic ;_;
balladofwindfishes
Member
I used Togetic in SS
Where it's a much better Pokemon because it's a middle stage in a three stage line and evolves fairly easily into Togekiss (just win a bug catching contest).
She was a reliable special attacker on a psychical heavy team.
bemusedchunk
Banned
I don't care about having the same crew through 9 different games.
I probably won't even finish hgss...but it's nice to figure out the "definitive" versions.
balladofwindfishes
Member
How cool is it that we're a few months away from literally every generation of Pokemon being usable in a modern Pokemon game?
The only ones missing at this point would be Cystal's special Pokemon and Pokemon Stadium 1/2's special Pokemon, but the only difference for them is moves.
The only ones missing at this point would be Cystal's special Pokemon and Pokemon Stadium 1/2's special Pokemon, but the only difference for them is moves.
Vital Tundra
Member
You know, they could have done some work translating for the languages they needed and fixing the content in the JPN release. Can't be to hard for a GBC game.
Within 2017 they'll likely have an install base of 10 million or so if they can sell out. That's fairly significant.
Saucestin_Roast
Member
Yup. I agree with this. Should've been on both Switch and 3DS.
Dark Orchid
Member
I mean they could have, yeah. They just need to pay the localizers, the people who are now editing 17 year old code, the QA testers... aaaaand now Crystal is a $15-20 VC title which will promptly be classified as "Nintendo robbing us blind for 16 year old games".
Vital Tundra
Member
Guess so, was just really looking forward to Crystal. Don't really want the other 2.
AlexFlame116
Member
I hope they find a way to make Celebi work.
UnemployedVillain
Member
They could literally alter the game to prevent you from going in the building and posting a sign saying it closed down. It would probably be less work than they'd done to get online trading with Box working
Dark Orchid
Member
There would be no Pokemon Center in Goldenrod, then. It replaces the Center from G/S, the international version put it back. They would also have to add the Odd Egg to the daycare because the Egg Ticket is obtained in there as well.
It's a lot more trouble than it's worth to them, I guess.
AlexFlame116
Member
Probably 10 bucks like R/B/Y were.
Earthbound64
Banned
srsly
Crazyorloco
Member
65 million versus 2 or 3 million users on the switch.
Actually that poster is right. People act like the Switch needs Pokémon right now. It doesn't. It's currently selling out without Pokémon. Mainline Pokémon games never release with a low install base. Check the records. Nintendo is making a good business decision here.
Plus let's get VC on the Switch first. That would be nice.
WrenchNinja
Member
I like lots of Johto Pokemon. I would have gone with Piloswine but I really like Lapras.
I mean you only really don't have access to Misdreavus, Houndour, Murkrow and another one that's slipping my mind till Kanto
You really don't need top tier pokemon in the single player, so yes, stuff like Umbreon is totally fine
balladofwindfishes
Member
Slugma lol
Earthbound64
Banned
Neo Geo.