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OmegaX said:
It'd have been 334 if its nature is Timid, Hasty, or any of the other natures that boost Speed. Otherwise, it'd have been 331.
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Oh ok. So if I have a Gengar with 31 attack ivs, but it has a timid nature, its attack stat wont be boosted any? Only if it had the adamanr nature?
 
Nub said:
Oh ok. So if I have a Gengar with 31 attack ivs, but it has a timid nature, its attack stat wont be boosted any? Only if it had the adamanr nature?
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It's attack stat would be boosted by 31. Edit: woops. Not 31. 31*0.9. So 27.

Each IV is 1 point. Unless you have a nature drop or boost. Then the IV is modified by a factor of 0.9 or 1.1.

The rough stat formula (assuming level 100):

(IV + 2*Base Stat + EV/4)+5

And then all that is multiplied by either 1, 1.1, or 0.9 depending on nature. And division gets rounded down if needed.
 
Drago said:
Hmm.. no

I never really looked into the O powers. Maybe I should... either way I have the 300k. But I may as well try to save. :I
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Best feature of the game.

Amulet Coin + Money Prize O-Power =
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And then you use Bargain O-Power and you can get even 50% discount on level 3
 
Zelias said:
Not sure if posted already, but apparently having one parent hold Destiny Knot when breeding results in 5 IVs being passed down between both parents, instead of 3.
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Will your best IVs carry over guaranteed, though? Let's say I have a male Goomy with perfect Speed / Attack / Defense holding Destiny Knot and a Timid female Goomy with Everstone and perfect HP / SpA / SpD. Will it automatically breed a Goomy with 5 perfect stats, or is there a chance an extra "improper" IV stat will bleed through?
 
Sub-Zero at a Starbucks said:
Will your best IVs carry over guaranteed, though? Let's say I have a male Goomy with perfect Speed / Attack / Defense holding Destiny Knot and a Timid female Goomy with Everstone and perfect HP / SpA / SpD. Will it automatically breed a Goomy with 5 perfect stats, or is there a chance an extra "improper" IV stat will bleed through?
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To give an example of how it works, the current system chooses 3 IVs at random, each from a different stat, and passes it to the child.
Code: 
Parent 1: [b]31[/b]/16/24/05/[b]31[/b]/13
Parent 2: 17/10/26/[b]17[/b]/08/31
Child:    [b]31[/b]/xx/xx/[b]17[/b]/[b]31[/b]/xx
Destiny Knot will do the same, except it chooses from 5 stats instead of 3:
Code: 
Parent 1: [b]31[/b]/16/24/05/[b]31[/b]/13
Parent 2: 17/10/[b]26[/b]/[b]17[/b]/08/[b]31[/b]
Child:    [b]31[/b]/xx/[b]26[/b]/[b]17[/b]/[b]31[/b]/[b]31[/b]
So yes, there is a chance of not getting the spread you want, due to how the process works. There's still work to be done, but it definitely cuts down breeding time if both parents have good IVs in different stats.
 
Even though it's not released yet, if I started a new game, could I use Pokemon Bank straight away once I get online and use those Pokemon at the beginning or at least after the 1st Gym Leader?
 
Rogue Agent said:
Even though it's not released yet, if I started a new game, could I use Pokemon Bank straight away once I get online and use those Pokemon at the beginning or at least after the 1st Gym Leader?
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Maybe, though it will be tough since you'l need badges to control them beyond a certain level (different OT).
 
ColtraineGF said:
To give an example of how it works, the current system chooses 3 IVs at random, each from a different stat, and passes it to the child.
Code: 
Parent 1: [b]31[/b]/16/24/05/[b]31[/b]/13
Parent 2: 17/10/26/[b]17[/b]/08/31
Child:    [b]31[/b]/xx/xx/[b]17[/b]/[b]31[/b]/xx
Destiny Knot will do the same, except it chooses from 5 stats instead of 3:
Code: 
Parent 1: [b]31[/b]/16/24/05/[b]31[/b]/13
Parent 2: 17/10/[b]26[/b]/[b]17[/b]/08/[b]31[/b]
Child:    [b]31[/b]/xx/[b]26[/b]/[b]17[/b]/[b]31[/b]/[b]31[/b]
So yes, there is a chance of not getting the spread you want, due to how the process works. There's still work to be done, but it definitely cuts down breeding time if both parents have good IVs in different stats.
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Is it possible for the inherited IVs to overlap anymore? As in, the ones chosen at random are like, the father's speed, the mother's HP, and then the father's speed again. So it ends up only inheriting two, even though three were selected at random? I believe that's been a thing before, though I hope it's gone now.
 
emb said:
Is it possible for the inherited IVs to overlap anymore? As in, the ones chosen at random are like, the father's speed, the mother's HP, and then the father's speed again. So it ends up only inheriting two, even though three were selected at random? I believe that's been a thing before, though I hope it's gone now.
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Not really sure about that yet - haven't seen any new breeding guides up.
 
emb said:
Is it possible for the inherited IVs to overlap anymore? As in, the ones chosen at random are like, the father's speed, the mother's HP, and then the father's speed again. So it ends up only inheriting two, even though three were selected at random? I believe that's been a thing before, though I hope it's gone now.
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Since Platinum it's always been rigged so that all the inherited stats are different.
 
HOLY CRAP! Shiny Minccino in the Friend Safari. Is there anything nasty they can do I need to look out for and waste a Master ball, or am I good to catch it like normal?

Edit: Nvm, risked the ultra ball and got it on my first try! My second non-radar/locked/traded shiny ever! Too bad it couldn't have been a ditto, since they're also in this safari!
 
Just got a shiny Lillipup from that same safari (had to waste my Master Ball this time, since I KNOW these Lillipup's have roar, and I wasn't having that). Now if I could just get a shiny ditto to complete the set... And yeah, I'm starting to wonder if the rumors of tipping increasing shiny chances are true, seeing as I JUST started giving great tips, and suddenly I have two shinies.
 
Boogiepop said:
Just got a shiny Lillipup from that same safari (had to waste my Master Ball this time, since I KNOW these Lillipup's have roar, and I wasn't having that). Now if I could just get a shiny ditto to complete the set... And yeah, I'm starting to wonder if the rumors of tipping increasing shiny chances are true, seeing as I JUST started giving great tips, and suddenly I have two shinies.
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I've been giving great tips all game and nothing so far with Friend Safari. :(
Oh well. I still have my shiny Shuckle from Gen 4-5.
 
SOMERANDOMTRAINER said:
The person who gives you the Hidden Power TM in the house next to Anistar boutique will tell you what type Hidden Power your Pokemon has.
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They mean to change it at will aside from hoping for a good IV spread.

The answer is nope, and it's always 60BP so it's nerfed a bit but now you don't have to worry about getting the right type and the wrong BP.
 
Man, Pokemon has some ridiculous systems going on now that I think about it. I went out and caught an Abra (which took a while), which I will then breed using an everstone to lock down the natures I need, so that I can synchronize for the right nature dittos in the friend safari, so that I can get dittos in the important natures with great IVs, which can then be used for further breeding!
 
McNum said:
You gotta love a game where going from "Yveltal will kill everyone!" to "Who's a good destroyer of worlds? You are! Yes you are! Want another Poké Puff?" in five minutes does NOT trigger ludonarrative dissonance. Yeah, I had to check out what Yveltal looks like in Pokémon-Amie when I caught it. How something that looks like that still manages to be adorable is... impressive.
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I just looked up the Pokedex entry for Yveltal.

That's...dark.
 
Boogiepop said:
Man, Pokemon has some ridiculous systems going on now that I think about it. I went out and caught an Abra (which took a while), which I will then breed using an everstone to lock down the natures I need, so that I can synchronize for the right nature dittos in the friend safari, so that I can get dittos in the important natures with great IVs, which can then be used for further breeding!
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Yup, and it gets weird with egg moves, hidden abilities, breeding chains, going for shinies, etc. It's tons of fun.
 
FSLink said:
They mean to change it at will aside from hoping for a good IV spread.

The answer is nope, and it's always 60BP so it's nerfed a bit but now you don't have to worry about getting the right type and the wrong BP.
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Right, thanks. Guess I'm thinking of another move for my Ampharos.
 
That Destiny Knot change is amazing and pretty much exactly what I wanted out of breeding this time around! Combined with Ditto from the Friend Safari, it should actually make getting Pokemon with 5 perfect IVs pretty reasonable, when it used to be insane. I think I'll definitely end up building up a more diverse collection of competitive pokemon this time around. Now if only hidden power could stop being a problem, too...
 
Boogiepop said:
That Destiny Knot change is amazing and pretty much exactly what I wanted out of breeding this time around! Combined with Ditto from the Friend Safari, it should actually make getting Pokemon with 5 perfect IVs pretty reasonable, when it used to be insane. I think I'll definitely end up building up a more diverse collection of competitive pokemon this time around. Now if only hidden power could stop being a problem, too...
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With all the nerfs that went out to Hidden Power and a bunch of other special moves, I'd say it's already stopped being a problem.

The day's finally come where we can stop pretending that 70 BP Hidden Power was mandatory for coverage.
 
I found out first-hand that Toxic never misses when a Poison-type uses it now. Seems great. Also, the ability Inflitrator goes through Substitute. Crobat users have a reason to smile again.
 
HawthorneKitty said:
How do you get a Pokemon with 5 31 IVs though?
I know the guarantees.
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I mean, since Destiny Knot guarantees 5 pass, then I just need to take my dittos with at least 2 31s in a ton of different places (which I intend to have a collection of for each worthwhile nature, already got a good set for timids), and then just cross-breed till more and more 31s end up on the results till the RNG decides to only pass down 31s. I was pretty much doing this process last gen with no destiny knot and dittos with only 1 31, so I'm thinking this should work at really well. I may just try breeding something tomorrow to test it out!
 
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