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There is a Jill Stein rally in my city today. I know about this because its all over my feed and I was specifically asked to go see what a true politician who "cares for the 99%".
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT8| No, Donald. You don't.
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Go to it and report to us.
If he was going to a chain, he could have at least picked Sbarro and made a Michael Scott joke!
RCP really does need to stop including them
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wants to fuck an Asian grill.
jack_package_200
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No. I don't want to engage in all of that white privilege.
I just posted the Nuclear power plant = nuclear bomb tweet and logged out.
I don't think anything of hers can be classified as a rally. They're too small. They are gatherings or associations.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
It's in your job description.
Aaron Strife
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I don't want to just close off sources that produce numbers I don't agree with, but I seriously have no problem dropping Ras from the aggregate. Their only aim is to skew it as much as possible to generate pro-GOP headlines. It's a joke that anyone takes them seriously.
nature boy
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Plouffe pulling no punches:
He's right, if Trump could he would run alone or go with a family member.
He's right, if Trump could he would run alone or go with a family member.
Retromelon
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Little brother's friend came over and we played some black ops 2 local multiplayer on Wii u. In the game's start menu cinematic there is a moment showing Reagan, my younger brother that is a trump supporter saw that and started chanting REAGAN REAGAN REAGAN at us. He also said that he was a pro at first person shooters and would dominate us. Five games or so later, (I won or tied nearly all the games, bragbragbrag) having come in 4th almost every time and struggling to get a single kill in some matches, he angrily denounced us as teaming faggots that always ganged up on him, and stormed out of the room 🍉
OMG
Someone made an interesting comment on twitter, even if Citizen's United is overturned could a billionaire theoretically self fund their own campaign with billions of dollars?
I looked it up, and this is what I found: Davis v. FEC SC case seems to state that it's 1st amendment infringement to limit self financing rules. I'm thinking that this is so similar to Citizen's United's ruling that it might also be affected by a CU change, but maybe not?
I looked it up, and this is what I found: Davis v. FEC SC case seems to state that it's 1st amendment infringement to limit self financing rules. I'm thinking that this is so similar to Citizen's United's ruling that it might also be affected by a CU change, but maybe not?
This is honestly such a classic.
But, having a choice to not engage in white privilege is itself an act of white privilege bro.
jack_package_200
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I was hoping for *weebay_surprised.gif* but I'll take that.
Cesare Borgia
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What a contrast between Romney's kids and Trump's. Going into the 2012 GOP convention a lot of us assumed they'd humanize Romney and it could be successful. Romney is a nice guy, he has a great sense of humor and genuinely seems like a great dad. His sons recognized all that and wanted to show the country that side of their father. Instead the convention was almost entirely about how great a businessman Romney was, and how terrible Obama was. And then there was Clint Eastwood. It seemed like Romney's sons were the smartest people in the room.
On the flip side Trump's kids seem like enablers of their father's insanity. The reports about his sons wanting Gingrich as VP blow me away. Why? Not to mention the son in law willingly being trotted out to defend Trump on Jewish relations.
I'd bet on Manafort being out (and replaced by Trump's sons) before the first debate.
On the flip side Trump's kids seem like enablers of their father's insanity. The reports about his sons wanting Gingrich as VP blow me away. Why? Not to mention the son in law willingly being trotted out to defend Trump on Jewish relations.
I'd bet on Manafort being out (and replaced by Trump's sons) before the first debate.
Pence, confronted with his past statements against negative campaigning:
https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/754443858008805376
https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/754443858008805376
yep, them doing a joint sit-down interview is going to be a huge fail.
Pence can't give an answer if it's not in his talking points, and obviously Trump is going to jump in and ramble.
Agreed on pretty much all counts. Though I might argue Newt would be better than Pence because Trump's less likely to take shots at someone he actually might like. Christie was probably the best of the bad options though.
Christy and Bewt were both fine. Not because they were good choices politically, but for their potential for cohesiveness together. trump needs someone bombastic and loud like he is, and the advantages of Pence, "party unity" etc I think are wholly imagined and probably unimportant anyway.
Mike Pence isn't going to convert a spurned establishment figure like Bush, or a never trump billionaire like the Kochs. Trump should do Trump, it got him this far. Still think it would be a miserable failure and bad for America should it succeed, but at least it would be real.
Holy shit, I saw your post and thought, "I bet it's Chili's."
Exactly! Trump's campaign was a screaming supernova of pure hate. He can't change that no matter what he does so he may as well steer into the coming crash.
NBC News: Is Potential Clinton VP Tom Vilsack the Best-Kept Secret in Politics?
An interesting perspective, though I'm not so sure any VP choice is really going to have much of an effect on white males with Hillary at the top of the ticket. What do you think? Assuming she's going to choose a safe, experienced white male anyway, would Vilsack be any better than Kaine? On one hand, he doesn't appear to have any scandals in his past (like the gifts Kaine received), but Kaine does speak fluent Spanish, which could be an asset.
An interesting perspective, though I'm not so sure any VP choice is really going to have much of an effect on white males with Hillary at the top of the ticket. What do you think? Assuming she's going to choose a safe, experienced white male anyway, would Vilsack be any better than Kaine? On one hand, he doesn't appear to have any scandals in his past (like the gifts Kaine received), but Kaine does speak fluent Spanish, which could be an asset.
RastaMentality
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You may hear a lot about space travel at the Republican National Convention
Another excuse for white male tech types to vote Trump!
Another excuse for white male tech types to vote Trump!
Did anybody listen to this American Life today? Had an interesting story on a rich Texas republican donor coming around to Trump, after meeting him and learning he was a "good man."
It was actually charming in a way.
It was actually charming in a way.
Buttsack McBottomnuts is disappointed in this simple minded name-ism
Nacissist do know how to charm people. It's one of their characteristics.
Yep, also a healthy dose of "dang it even if the current quarterback beats his wife I still hope my team wins the super bowl," thrown in.
VendettaRed07
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Remix to Ignition is the ultimate party stopper
Hopefully they play it at the DNC
Hopefully they play it at the DNC
I'm pretty sure they have. But I hope the Clinton Campaign did their homework on this.
Thequietone
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They probably dug into his past better than Trump's vetting did.
shinra-bansho
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The sack wouldn't help with men. But the sack wouldn't hurt.
VPs rarely help. And people should stop fooling themselves that they do.
VPs rarely help. And people should stop fooling themselves that they do.
Mrs. Manky
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shinra-bansho
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Eh maybe white women. Younger women. I don't see how she'd help at all with minorities.
VendettaRed07
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This has what I've been saying. Except I think it would help more than a little
Kaine helps with Virginia. Warren helps with women in every state
shinra-bansho
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I mean the same way that the sack won't help with men, I don't see how the warren helps particularly with women.
If you're going to point out a group she appeals to it's just the left flank of the base.
Soccer moms in the centre aren't going to give a shit. Even if this thread swoons.
If you're going to point out a group she appeals to it's just the left flank of the base.
Soccer moms in the centre aren't going to give a shit. Even if this thread swoons.
I agree that that the VP pick never matters very much, but it's fun to speculate (it does seem like Palin was a net negative, even though I'm sure Obama still would have won even if McCain made a better choice). And selfishly, I hope for someone who's more exciting like Warren rather than Kaine or Vilsack.
BreezyLimbo
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I mean Trump was freaking out when he picked Pence and wanted to drop him
Clinton probably has a library on Pence. While Trump was busy doing business and getting to know business people, Clintons been in Politics for what, the past 30-40 years? She probably knows the people in politics in and out.
I think Warren helping to raise the gender gap tide everywhere could be veerrrrry interesting. Downticket effects. Maybe an extra Senate seat or two. A closer margin in the House. Team Clinton has to tantalized by that possibility.
As far as VP bonus goes, 538 found that the average home state bonus from a VP since 1984 is around 4%. I wonder if this has held over time (especially as the electorate has grown less elastic/more polarized).
The difficulty in testing this kind of thing comes with a lack of sample size and the incredibly tight numbers that we're working with. It'd be incredibly difficult to discern a real bonus from just statistical noise.
As far as VP bonus goes, 538 found that the average home state bonus from a VP since 1984 is around 4%. I wonder if this has held over time (especially as the electorate has grown less elastic/more polarized).
The difficulty in testing this kind of thing comes with a lack of sample size and the incredibly tight numbers that we're working with. It'd be incredibly difficult to discern a real bonus from just statistical noise.
NYCmetsfan
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The problem isn't citizens its Buckley v. Valeo. We need to divorce the idea money is equivalent to electoral speech and subject to strict scrutiny under the 1st amendment.
There needs to be some scepticism of restrictions but we've gone crazy.
shinra-bansho
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I think this idea of her having this degree of effect is fanciful.
If picking her was really that powerful then she may as well be the candidate not the running mate.
Which I guess is sort of fitting. Since ultimately, a lot of Warrenmania feels like what people are really after is a backdoor Warren Presidency.
It's weird because by many accounts the VP role is a sack of shit with no real power. Unless you're an Obama or a Bush and want a Biden or need a Cheney.
I think Warren helps with middle class moms. Warren is about families. And, most importantly, Warren does NOT have politician stink on her. She comes across as authentic and honest and she can hit Trump harder than anyone can and she's been REALLY successful at it.
Kaine, Sack, Bayh and co, etc., they are all politicians. They reinforce Hillary's strengths and her weaknesses. Warren is a true contrast.
Tom Perez has no experience IMO and therefore is too great a contrast. And also doesn't really help with anyone except maybe hispanics and men, but I'm not sure on men and if hispanics need a hispanic VP to not vote for Trump then I'm not sure if they are thinking clearly.
So my argument is:
- Hillary has an image issue more than anything else
- Warren is the exact opposite
- Warren reinforces Hillary's strengths while offering an antidote to her weaknesses to a greater degree than any other pick
- If it really doesn't matter anyway, then at least let us swoon
The senate ain't gonna do shit anyway.
For the record, I think the VP in Clinton land is going to be a nothingburger. Huma will have a bigger say in policy.
shinra-bansho
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I don't think most middle class moms know who any of these people are...
I think none of them help. But they can hurt. And there are clear ways Warren can hurt.
And yes Huma as First Lady will have much more say anyway.
A VP Warren will just sit in the Eisenhower building spinning.
I think none of them help. But they can hurt. And there are clear ways Warren can hurt.
And yes Huma as First Lady will have much more say anyway.
A VP Warren will just sit in the Eisenhower building spinning.
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