Hooligan69
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As our governor, he seems very dry and boring, and kinda awkward. His term is up next year.
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As our governor, he seems very dry and boring, and kinda awkward. His term is up next year.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Tillerson lied under oath today and based on my memory of the 90s, that is literally the worst thing you can possibly do so I expect all Republicans to vote against him.
RastaMentality
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This is actually interesting since cops in SF loathe Kamala and thought she had a huge anti cop agenda as district attorney/AG while giving speeches to them.
Kamala shouldn't worry about the black part of the Obama coalition liking her because many already very much do. Her being the second black female senator (and supporting BLM in her victory speech) was a big deal on election day and even got over to a load of Jamaican-americans. I don't think this stuff will stick unless she's exposed as being actually pro cop.
Mobius and pet octopus
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It's kinda bad that whenever something about trump is revealed that we have people suddenly calling us to put Hillary in the presidency. I get the desire for that to happen, but lets be clear. That result is never going to happen. First off, Trump would have to be impeached. It takes the house to impeach and the senate would have to find him guilty of an act that satisfies the constitution to remove him from power. The conviction must also be of "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Kinda doubt this is gonna happen.
But even if it did, the line of succession is clear. It doesn't give the runner up the presidency. You'd have the Vice President and then the speaker of the house. Even if somehow the Vice President became President, he can nominate a new vice president. Even if somehow the speaker of the house became President, the house would elect a new speaker. Unless the house votes Hillary as the speaker of the house and somehow trump and pence are ousted at virtually the same time (or at least before a new vice president would be confirmed)....
It's just a waste of time discussing Hillary in the white house at this point. The more realistic goal has been and still is getting a different republican in the white house and who that would ideally be.
But even if it did, the line of succession is clear. It doesn't give the runner up the presidency. You'd have the Vice President and then the speaker of the house. Even if somehow the Vice President became President, he can nominate a new vice president. Even if somehow the speaker of the house became President, the house would elect a new speaker. Unless the house votes Hillary as the speaker of the house and somehow trump and pence are ousted at virtually the same time (or at least before a new vice president would be confirmed)....
It's just a waste of time discussing Hillary in the white house at this point. The more realistic goal has been and still is getting a different republican in the white house and who that would ideally be.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Biden in "Undecided?" Come on.
A Bruce Spring. Tribute band agreed to play at the inauguration lmao
http://consequenceofsound.net/2017/...ute-band-agrees-to-play-trump-inaugural-ball/
http://consequenceofsound.net/2017/...ute-band-agrees-to-play-trump-inaugural-ball/
Bonen no Max'd
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Aside from age, what's the concern about Deval Patrick? Working at Bain Capital? I'm not really familiar with him.
Other than that and JBE/O'Malley (not that they'll run) I agree with this list.
lol your not taking him away from us and I'm confident he has no presidential aspirations + he has to worry about reelection first.
whyamihere
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There's a reason that his other campaigns faltered, including a very embarrassing plagiarism scandal. tbd if it would affect him, hence, undecided.
Bain.
TestOfTide
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Plus her whole intro into being a politician was defeating a corrupt-cop-defending incumbent for San Francisco DA.
While I hope he does well as our governor, I can't see him pulling much of anything off as a presidential candidate. He doesn't seem to have the kind of charisma needed to inspire the left's younger voters to get to the polls. That said, I'd be happy to be proven wrong on this one.
TestOfTide
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How the fuck can someone argue that NATO is "US aggression"? Like do people not get that the Baltic States joined NATO of their own volition to get protection from Russian aggression?
whyamihere
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it's almost like none of you read the caveat at the start of my post about whether these were people you should support, only that they're likely to have scandal-lite campaigns
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I mean, this happened yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FGzmeGO1-A
I think Kamala will be good.
No country other than the United States has agency in the minds of most Americans (right and left) and really stupid people in Europe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FGzmeGO1-A
I think Kamala will be good.
No country other than the United States has agency in the minds of most Americans (right and left) and really stupid people in Europe.
whyamihere
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She should start by being nice to her staff.
Retromelon
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I read it but I was dismayed to see that you declined to include bernie in the people you should support in 2020 list
whyamihere
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I didn't want to stir that pot.
Aaron Strife
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It's a list of Democrats though
neurosisxeno
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I can dream of a Warren or Franken ticket with Kander as VP. But knowing the Dems it's gonna be Cuomo/Booker or some shit...
VendettaRed07
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Iowa and New Hampshire being the first two states will help in stopping something like that I think.
Bernie will likely have a massive influence in deciding who gets the nom. And no way he endorses the parties corporate losers. Sure he might fuck up with a bad endorsement but it won't be an "unexciting" pick
TestOfTide
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NO. ANYONE BUT WARREN. Seriously Warren is the worst choice. The GOP has already put in a shitload of work of painting Warren as the next Hillary.
Even Booker would be better than Warren.
Aaron Strife
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I think Warren would suffer from many of the same problems Clinton had - she's shrill, she lectures, she doesn't connect to dipshits in rural Indiana. No she doesn't have an email scandal on her hands but I also don't believe Clinton was brought down by solely one thing.
Brown is probably the best candidate on paper, but like someone here said that's mostly in response to this year's election. There's no telling what the political climate in 2020 will be like, and that could very well require a different candidate.
Brown is probably the best candidate on paper, but like someone here said that's mostly in response to this year's election. There's no telling what the political climate in 2020 will be like, and that could very well require a different candidate.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
This. I love Warren, but it would be a disaster.
I'd be all up for a Franken/Kander ticket.
I read the caveat. Just disagree that Biden would have a scandal of some sort. He was VP for 8 years in two separate elections. They would have targeted him already.
Man the past few days have been such concentrated fuckery I still can't make head or tails of this shit AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED THE NEW PRESIDENCY. These next four years are going to be awful........
The question is if Warren or Fraken can win the South. Kander would be competitive there but I still think he's too green?
Also after all of Sanders' bitching during the 2016 primary about "establishment" and "super delegates" I would be really annoyed if he tried to play Kingmaker in the 2020 primary. Just let that shit play out naturally. I think it might be best if national profile politicians erred on the side of not endorsing early? Also everyone Sanders has endorsed so far except Ellison has been kind of awful? Maybe he'll be better about that in the future but right now that record is kind of sketch :/
The question is if Warren or Fraken can win the South. Kander would be competitive there but I still think he's too green?
Also after all of Sanders' bitching during the 2016 primary about "establishment" and "super delegates" I would be really annoyed if he tried to play Kingmaker in the 2020 primary. Just let that shit play out naturally. I think it might be best if national profile politicians erred on the side of not endorsing early? Also everyone Sanders has endorsed so far except Ellison has been kind of awful? Maybe he'll be better about that in the future but right now that record is kind of sketch :/
Bonen no Max'd
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I don't think running an up-and-comer for VP is a good idea. The only one who actually won is Quayle and he was a drag on the ticket for both elections. Try to get an exciting VP, but make it someone like Brown or Klobuchar who can synergize and keep the message clear. Also, if the donor class says "please don't pick X, we much prefer Y" in the middle of choosing the VP, maybe not picking Y would be a good idea.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Warren would be a much better VP in this role.
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Can't risk losing Brown's senate seat, so that's him gone. Ohio is getting steadily redder; with incumbency bonus due to a well-loved local politician, Dems can fight that a while longer, so no go. Same deal with Roy Cooper - no more losing politicians from swing areas, especially when the Democrats have so few governorships. John Bel Edwards is *super* conservative by Dem standards, won't make it out of the primaries. Bullock has same problem as Cooper and Brown. Kander is... a nobody. Total nobody. Let him get office first. Franken is smug liberal on a stick. Not happening. O'Malley's Baltimore record shouldn't be good enough for Democrats.
Short list is: Baldwin, Klobuchar, Duckworth, Cortez-Masto
Y'all know Duckworth is my favourite, but that's my tuppence. Klobuchar second.
Neither are especially close to me ideologically, but I think they're the two candidates most likely to win.
TestOfTide
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Except Gore and Biden (and Pence to be honest) prove that you don't need an exciting VP, you just need an experienced, old, white, male VP to check off the "Well experienced" part of the whole ticket.
Carpe Libertatem
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Both Nevada and Wisconsin could easily elect Republicans to replace Cortez-Masto and Baldwin, so you'd be losing politicians from swing areas.
Bonen no Max'd
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Gore, Biden, and Pence are all important in their own way to the ticket even if they aren't conventionally "exciting" to young people. Gore was a signal to southern Democrats and the liberal professionals that the Clinton ticket really is for them. Biden was a "older mentor" but also reassured the upper Midwestern WWC (a third of the Obama coalition!) that Obama was on their side like previous Democrats. Pence helped cement evangelicals who were, y'know, concerned that Trump might not hate gay people and women enough. Importantly though, they were also seasoned enough politicians to not cause problems for the ticket. I think even Kaine was important in helping win over the college whites that Clinton targeted immediately after the DNC.
I think if Brown or Klobuchar gets the nomination they should almost certainly take the other as their running mate.
I think if Brown or Klobuchar gets the nomination they should almost certainly take the other as their running mate.
whyamihere
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This list was literally nothing to do with ideology or chance of winning.
Yes and the upside of nominating people from swing states is that they have a better chance of winning those swing states and those around them.
rocketknight
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JBE doesn't have a scandalous bone in his body but he is also way too far to the right to run for president. He's my governor and I like him a lot but only place I see him after 8 years here is Congress.
Ignatz Mouse
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Inappropriate joke alert:
What's the difference between a chick pea and a garbanzo bean?
What's the difference between a chick pea and a garbanzo bean?
Trump's never had a garbanzo bean on his face.
Joe Shlabotnik
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The director of the Office of Government Ethics went in on Trump's conflicts of interest today:
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/20170111_oge_shaub_remarks.pdf
One choice morsel:
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Dear national press: You're allowed to say things like this. You don't have to wait for the director of the OGE.
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/20170111_oge_shaub_remarks.pdf
One choice morsel:
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Dear national press: You're allowed to say things like this. You don't have to wait for the director of the OGE.
neurosisxeno
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Someone mentioned Franken here in the week after the election and I have been hell bent on the idea ever since. I think he's absolutely the perfect choice to run in 2020. Unfortunately he has outright said he has no intention of doing so, but maybe he'll come around when he sees what Republicans do in the next few years. The Democrats need to get Kander on the national stage asap. The guy is perfect for a Southern Democrat. Buckets of charisma, stands up for his beliefs, young, no major ties to the Hillary-era establishment, acceptable on guns to pull in moderate voters, military background--it's like the dude was bread to be a Southern Democrat. In 8-12 years there's no reason this guy shouldn't be a significant part of the Democratic Party.
Frank the Great
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I will vote for the Democrat candidate in 2020, no matter who it is. Nothing is worse than Republicans in power.
Like, if the choice is between someone who might secretly look out for the interests of the wealthy while throwing some bones to the poor, and a party that openly and brazenly does everything in its power to promote the interests of the wealthy and says fuck you to poor people, the environment, minorities, etc. . . . It's a fucking no-brainer.
I don't understand the conniptions over voting for a guy like Booker. Someone said they would vote R over him . . . Give me a fucking break. Check his voting record and compare it to the R platform.
If your concern is that he would lose, let me remind you that he is charming as a motherfucker and a great public speaker. Two things Hillary didn't have. That's the most important thing these days. He may not be my #1 in the primary but if he gets the nomination he'll have my enthusiastic support.
Like, if the choice is between someone who might secretly look out for the interests of the wealthy while throwing some bones to the poor, and a party that openly and brazenly does everything in its power to promote the interests of the wealthy and says fuck you to poor people, the environment, minorities, etc. . . . It's a fucking no-brainer.
I don't understand the conniptions over voting for a guy like Booker. Someone said they would vote R over him . . . Give me a fucking break. Check his voting record and compare it to the R platform.
If your concern is that he would lose, let me remind you that he is charming as a motherfucker and a great public speaker. Two things Hillary didn't have. That's the most important thing these days. He may not be my #1 in the primary but if he gets the nomination he'll have my enthusiastic support.
neurosisxeno
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They are worried about ties to Wall Street since for some reason people think that's a major reason Hillary suffered. The difference is Hillary lost for a multitude of other reasons, and most of her Wall Street interactions were as a private citizen after she left State. There's a massive difference between taking campaign donations as a New Jersey Senator from Wall Street, and going there and making several million dollars giving speeches to them imo. At least with Booker he can point to the fact that a lot of the people who work on Wall Street live in Jersey, so he was taking donations from his actual constituents.
Aaron Strife
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Disagree with your point about Brown's Senate seat. I'm not from Ohio so maybe this is too much of an outsider's perspective and obviously the Senate is important, but the presidency is far more valuable than a single Senate seat.
Put it this way, I'd be much happier with President Brown and a 53-47 GOP Senate than President Trump and a 52-48 GOP Senate.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Some asked President Nixon his thoughts on Rubio's grilling of Tillerson.
President Nixon was unkind.
https://twitter.com/dick_nixon/status/819343827903332353
President Nixon was unkind.
https://twitter.com/dick_nixon/status/819343827903332353
neurosisxeno
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Brown looks damn good for someone who's 64 years old...
Aaron Strife
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That's true too. If the governor of Ohio in 2020 is a Democrat (not that I think this is super probable) it would be a total non issue.
Sirpopopop
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We all know it's going to be the Zuck.
Bonen no Max'd
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Dream big! The GOP has the governor's mansions for Maryland, Massachusetts, Illinois, and Vermont. It's not for sure but I think Ohio is definitely within reach in 2018.
My bigger worry is Kasich running for Brown's seat, but I guess if Brown loses that he wasn't going to win the presidency in 2020 anyways.
StopMakingSense
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All this talk of Brown running makes me wish my Brown wasn't so old.
Trump now wants to be friends with russia, but with strings attached.'
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia-233510
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia-233510
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