Bonen no Max'd
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This seems like a good time to make a purity test joke.
Jokes on you because I can literally walk to a co-op that's 6 blocks away from me.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love
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He hasn't said anything about it, but at the rate he's going that'll be the only part of Bernie's platform he hasn't moved on at all. So I wouldn't be shocked if we heard about it at some point.
Odds are it's more about him, the dude is a glory hound. I think he'd be good at the job, he's demonstrated the skills needed as Governor, but he's far from anyone's first choice.
Considering his comments on it, I'll bet it passes in the summer with his name on it and a minor change. Can't have the legislature do something good without him.
This is something he deserves to get shit on for. He wants it, the legislature actually agreed on it, and then it didn't happen. I think he just wants the credit.
NihonTiger90
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As an Ohioan ... Kasich is done. Not because he wouldn't get the votes, but because Trump and his allies in the state have turned the state GOP against Kasich and are in the process of making him a lame duck for the last two years of his governorship. They're already saying they'll override every veto he gives their legislation, they threw his pick for state GOP leader to the curb for a Trump supporter, and they've already thrown a Trump supporter (Josh Mandel) into the Senate race against Sherrod Brown.
Kasich is going nowhere as long as Trump has any influence over the GOP. This is his revenge for the primary.
Carpe Libertatem
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The NBC story comes from Moscow Times (NBC lifted it entirely at first but edited it later on) and there's a reason why it's only NBC putting it out there. Don't you think you would see it everywhere if it were true?
Russia is winning, though. But only because the situation we're in right now is win-win for them - they can't really lose.
RustyNails
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NBC had a sweetheart deal with Trump over The Apprentice. They in no way are going to go after their ratings golden cow. I feel like the board is messing the news floor constantly there. From that pathetic ball fondling by Matt Lauer to booking Trump on SNL, NBC is doing Trump a solid.
Basically it's because he controls them. He controls the swing vote that gives them power, a caucus of independent Dems, so he can basically pass whatever the fuck he wants so long as he can get one side or the other on board. So it's not so much the Republicans are in control as he is.
He's a total fuckface, but he's also really good at this Governor thing.
The same guy that lost to brown in 2012? That guy is going to lose again.
ErasureAcer
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I was flipping between CNN/MSNBC and reading GAF when Clapper update happened. I think I was hearing a different story everywhere. Hence my question.
Thanks for answering. It seems the US media is not concerned with being Russian mouthpieces. They actively supported the dissemination of WikiLeaks(Russia), Paid Trump Surrogates(Russia), They built-up and continued the non-stop coverage of Trump(Russia) resulting in his "win."
RustyNails
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I still can't believe Droppo The Oppo was real. Goddamit poligaf we were so close.
ErasureAcer
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That FISA judge fucked us all over.
Bonen no Max'd
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All this talk about Cuomo got me watching his dad's 1984 speech again. Such a good speech, and hearing him say "Reagan will tear this nation in half" feels more true than ever.
Man, to think if he'd run in '88 instead of Dukakis.
Man, to think if he'd run in '88 instead of Dukakis.
RustyNails
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Infuriating.
You, sir, win the award for most under-stated post, like, ever.
Huh, well that's good at least.
cooljeanius
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So, uh, voting on the ACA repeal seems to be going on? Seems there's no replacement for it after all...
Sneaky sneaky...
Obamacare is one step closer to repeal after Senate advances budget resolution
Sucks, but if they do rush the repeal through without a replacement, we can almost guarantee holding steady/gaining seats in 2018.
Between him and Comey I don't know who I am angrier at. We all got hosed.
Yes, butI think being Russia's puppets is more of a side effect rather than their intention. By trying to play up th horse race/both sides narratives, they played right into Russia's hands.
ErasureAcer
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But now that the race is over they continue to give the Russian mouthpieces plenty of airtime.
25 minutes to a propagandist is quite extreme. Even if Anderson Cooper is owning her the entire time.
Yeah. It was always going to be real. Trump's political career is probably going to be over in a few years if a lot of the allegations can be proven eventually.
Bonen no Max'd
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Watching one of the 2008 debates and Hillary said that nuclear weapons weren't off the table for dealing with Al-Qaeda? What?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Bonen no Max'd
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/02/AR2007080202288.html
It was so shocking I had to go look it up.
The Technomancer
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This has to blow up on them right? It affects too many people's actual day to day expenses
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The timeline on this looks like.
1. Obama says he will bomb terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
2. Dumbfuck at the AP asks "Would you nuke them???"
3. Obama: what the fuck is wrong with you, no I would never use nukes.
4. Hillary stupidly tries to appear more "serious" than Obama (whom she's trying to portray as naive) and says that nukes shouldn't be off the debate.
https://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/02/obama-says-use-of-nuclear-weapons-off-the-table/
https://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...d-use-of-nuclear-weapons/comment-page-2/?_r=0
According to the second link............ Dubya thought about nuking Iran?!?!?
How has this been forgotten? Dubya thought about committing one of the worst crimes against humanity ever?
1. Obama says he will bomb terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
2. Dumbfuck at the AP asks "Would you nuke them???"
3. Obama: what the fuck is wrong with you, no I would never use nukes.
4. Hillary stupidly tries to appear more "serious" than Obama (whom she's trying to portray as naive) and says that nukes shouldn't be off the debate.
https://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/02/obama-says-use-of-nuclear-weapons-off-the-table/
https://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...d-use-of-nuclear-weapons/comment-page-2/?_r=0
According to the second link............ Dubya thought about nuking Iran?!?!?
How has this been forgotten? Dubya thought about committing one of the worst crimes against humanity ever?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Dick Cheney actually advised HW Bush to use nuclear weapons in the Gulf War (which HW ignored like any normal human being)
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ick-cheney-drew-up-plans-to-nuke-iraq/414325/
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ick-cheney-drew-up-plans-to-nuke-iraq/414325/
metalslimer
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I mean people have also forgotten we were inches away from a catastrophic war with Iran thanks to Bibis idiocy.
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thepotatoman
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Damn, they even got rid of the pre-existing conditions protections and being on your parent's plan until 26. I know they've promised to include those things in their replacement, but I don't have much trust in them to do that if they still don't have a solid replacement with those things in it.
Looks like Rand Paul voted no and was the only one on either side to break party line.
So you're saying it's bound to happen.
Most large companies are already owned by people with no real connection to their production. Firms that are publicly-traded have hundreds of partial owners who do not involve themselves in management. If the operation of a company is already so far removed from the ownership of a company, then a transition toward worker ownership wouldn't necessitate any major changes in management.
Bonen no Max'd
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Hillary just said she's been taking on Republicans longer than anyone else.
Gravel was elected to the senate in 1968 and Biden in 1972.
To be fair though, voters also forgot they existed.
Gravel was elected to the senate in 1968 and Biden in 1972.
To be fair though, voters also forgot they existed.
Didn't McCarthy do literally the same thing during the second red scare? Great precedent.
Sex work is generally looked down upon even from scholars.
We are relitigating the primaries so hard we just traveled back in time 8 years.
It's always that time again.
Bonen no Max'd
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I was 14 in 2008 so I just want to make sure I understandWe are relitigating the primaries so hard we just traveled back in time 8 years.
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She made less gaffes in 2016 than 2008, I think. You're starting to bring the memories flooding back. Try finding her gun control stuff, there were some howlers there.
Go for it man I just wanted to make jokes.I was 14 in 2008 so I just want to make sure I understand
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Max'd will become as neoliberal as me once he reaches the old, wise age of 24.
Where's that clickhole article...
Where's that clickhole article...
Sirpopopop
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I was 14 in 2008 so I just want to make sure I understand
Lucky you.
You weren't politically active for the shit hole that was 2000. Now that was a fucking stolen election which permanently changed the trajectory of the world for the irreversible worse.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The first clear memory I have is of 9/11.
I'm kind of surprised no Republican has proposed this replacement of Obamacare:
-Individual mandate as a tax is replaced by losing certain amount Medicare benefits for each month you are not insured. Say some bullshit like "we need to ensure that to save Medicare, we need young people as of now to keep themselves healthy."
-Taxes to fund subsides are repealed, subsides are paid for by adding to the national debt.
-Drop the employer mandate and the Cadillac tax.
... That could work pretty well and would be pretty popular.
I'm kind of surprised no Republican has proposed this replacement of Obamacare:
-Individual mandate as a tax is replaced by losing certain amount Medicare benefits for each month you are not insured. Say some bullshit like "we need to ensure that to save Medicare, we need young people as of now to keep themselves healthy."
-Taxes to fund subsides are repealed, subsides are paid for by adding to the national debt.
-Drop the employer mandate and the Cadillac tax.
... That could work pretty well and would be pretty popular.
If you're not convinced by:
- the obvious look that they're never been printed on (the pages are still stuck together -- that never happens after they've been through the laser printer)
- the lack of page numbers
- the lack of folder labels
- the fact that these are supposedly legal documents on letter size paper
might the lack of stickies convince you? As anyone who's ever signed a legal document will tell you, lawyers love stickies.
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thepotatoman
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That individual mandate plan misses the whole point of why medicare is a thing in the first place, and would probably still be seen exactly like the mandate, except under a different name.
Subsidies paid for by debt is probably a temporary part of the plan, but I doubt republican politicians want subsidies in the long run on principle.
There was a handful of democrat senators that signed onto dropping the employer mandate and Cadillac tax, though most of those have now lost their seats, so that one seemed likely no matter what.
What the fuck. They're going to wreck the health insurance market overnight. So much for delay or even having a transitional period?
This is like, how to put it, a vote on pre-voting and, uh, intent. And it was just the Senate, and Obama's still President so even if it was both the House and Senate it'd have been vetoed. Nothing's changed yet.
Course, that all but one Republican felt that it was safe enough to vote against being on the record for keeping the Pre-existing clause is fucking scary.
Senate Approves First Step Toward Repealing Obamacare in Late-Night Session
Almost certain they'll repeal before a replacement is worked-out. They're not going to ignore their own deadline, since it'll make them look weak, and irritate their base.
Yes I know how the voting works but it's a framework for what could be the final bill. They're not very interested in a transitional phase and they're ripping away the popular provisions, something they hinted at finding a way to support before.
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