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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why
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Tranqueris
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So apparently the freedom caucus members are straight up lying about preexisting conditions now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgJ1A966OvQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgJ1A966OvQ
Fenderputty
Banned
How big of a win would kicking a shitty bills death from the house to the senate be?
cooljeanius
Member
Can someone remind me when the important hearings this week are?
it would be a huge win for paul ryan
or rather, it would prevent a disaster for him
It would suck for everyone else in the house and senate
Emerson
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Trump thinks it would be a win, but it wouldn't. This bill being passed in the House and failing to progress any further is literally the worst case scenario for the Republican party.
Not only would their bill not be law, but democrats in two hundred districts nationwide would run in 2018 saying "My opponent voted to take away your healthcare."
balladofwindfishes
Member
Yep. Voting on this is the worst possible idea for the GOP going into 2018. It's why "vote on it now, the Senate will fix it" isn't working on the maybes.
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thepotatoman
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You mean Repatriation Tax?
It's a lowered tax rate to return the money companies have abroad to the united states, replacing any normal taxes we'd put on that money. The argument is that a little tax revenue is better than none and it's better for the money to be circulating in our economy, but doing so further encourages companies to hide their money in tax havens until they can get the repatriation tax break.
Currently, many companies get that money back to the united states by buying out other companies with that tax haven money, and erasing the owed taxes that way.
Fenderputty
Banned
Agreed. Getting people to commit to yes votes so the senate has to now deal with public backlash doesn't seem like a win to me. I don't see that as a win for Trump either.
Lying sacks of shit.
I still don't get why anyone but a monster would be okay with this. Is the argument that healthcare isn't a given right in a country? Or that healthcare is a business only and thus obviously it should be run like any business would with each person paying depending on age etc?
It's just hard for me to fathom arguments against healthcare for folks because, like, they'll die otherwise, or be broke and die.
It's not really a win for Paul Ryan to force a bunch of Republicans in suddenly vulnerable seats to take a vote they're getting yelled at in town halls over.
Literally it's the Speaker's job to prevent dumb bills like this from getting votes.
Poodlestrike
Banned
You guys are underestimating how low the bar is for Trump again. Getting the bill out of the House would be a "win" because of how much trouble they've had with it.
And possibly, in America.
Emerson
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To give the literal devil his due, that change would mean that emergency treatment would not be reimbursed, not that it wouldn't be available. There would be no change to EMTALA.
Furthermore, regardless of the law if you come into my ER actually dying I don't give a fuck what your insurance status is, and neither does anyone else in the ER.
The Republican plan would of course just leave people in even more crushing debt without fixing any actual problems.
Furthermore, regardless of the law if you come into my ER actually dying I don't give a fuck what your insurance status is, and neither does anyone else in the ER.
The Republican plan would of course just leave people in even more crushing debt without fixing any actual problems.
Box of Kittens
Banned
"The emergency room is universal healthcare" is one of the dumbest arguments ever conceived.
EDIT: Just to be perfectly clear, this is no way intended to be a response to the post immediately above me. It's directed at GOP talking points.
EDIT: Just to be perfectly clear, this is no way intended to be a response to the post immediately above me. It's directed at GOP talking points.
The Speaker's job is to protect people from the bill he crafted.
Vestal
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Republicans don't believe that Healthcare is a right no, at least not as a party.. But even a Trump supporter I know at work in my conversations with him (YEAH I KNOW IM A GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT) I have brought him to say that Healthcare is a right and not a privilege.
They believe or they want you to believe that Health Insurance should be all about the free market, and that shitty healthcare on the cheap is better than minimum accepted insurance subsidized by the Government.
whyamihere
Banned
So where's that AHCA vote, Ryan?
BlastProcessing
Member
@RogerJStoneJr
Sean Hannity and his lackey Bill Shine blocked me from Fox because I blocked Sean's insane effort to become @realDonaldTrump WH COS
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@RogerJStoneJr
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Dubbedinenglish
Banned
I hope it's a robo call like the Kansas one.
Cesare Borgia
Banned
Recent ABC/WaPo poll found 70% of Americans say coverage for pre-existing conditions should be mandatory nationwide
https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/859592954134106117
https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/859592954134106117
Fenderputty
Banned
This is an odd way to frame Ryan failing at getting the votes for a bill he crafted. If Ryan gave a shit about moderate house R's he should have crafted a different bill
Edit: to further expound on this. Ryan believes his bill is truely conservative. He thinks the GOP is largely missing the forest for the trees. This is their opportunity to cap a federal "handout". He wants to hang his hat on this shit because he doesn't think it's garbage
Edit 2: we give credit to Pelosi for getting votes not for protecting seats
Haha, see, like, that's a monster.
Does...Does she not know how likes work?
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
Joe Walsh's tweets are great though because everyone responds about him not paying child support
He also occasionally comes very close to being self aware ("if healthcare is a right, does that mean people have a right to housing? food? jobs?") and then completely rebounds to total craziness.
GoldenEye 007
Member
Box of Kittens
Banned
I hear they're "confident" they'll be "close to striking distance" of having the votes "soon."
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
It generally is a worry about incentivizing laziness and taking from the deserving to give to the undeserving. It comes from Ayn Rand and Calvinist Christian philosophies of wealth equalling to self worth, which is probably the core of republican philosophy.
Not to mention, provided he actually pays taxes, he already pays for other people's healthcare in the form of social security, medicare, etc.
metalslimer
Member
It really shows how the conversation on healthcare has changed with Obamacare. No matter how much Republicans try to destroy it, the public overwhelmingly is convinced of its core components.
JesseEwiak
Member
I wish the Democratic party were as anti gun as I am, because then maybe we wouldn't have a country where thousands of people die needlessly every year because people think they're going to be Dirty Harry if they get mugged.
I mean, the truth is, all of the regulations in the ACA were always popular. It was always the mandate _and_ the massive lies that made it unpopular.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
TBH I've forgotten what it was like before Obamacare, like with cell phones.
I'm surprised Chad Connolly didn't nab this. He had the whole old Vietnam war veterans talking about repealing Obamacare, building a wall, etc in his commercials. Plus he was your typical fat, old white guy with Christian values.
Also, I have found that Republicans are only okay with lawyers if they are Prosecutors. If they are defense attorneys the GOP goes out of their way to find the sleaziest person that they had a defend if they were a state appointed defense attorney.
#FreeMelania
Rebel Leader
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Box of Kittens
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This is a big part of why it was so important to pass the ACA, even with all its flaws. Once you give people a benefit it's very hard to take it away, and coverage for preexisting conditions is a great example of that. It's not that people weren't upset about denying coverage for preexisting conditions, but it was a practice that was on some level accepted. Now it's unthinkable. And Republicans are running into the problem that most of the components of the ACA are popular and the whole thing relies on its most visibly unpopular part, the individual mandate. People expect any replacement to provide all the benefits the ACA does, and the only real ways to do that are, well, the ACA and something further left.
Don't forget "trial lawyers"!
Hahaha! I can't believe that. I actually think someone might have hacked in, because in her 5 years on Twitter, that's only the second Tweet she's ever liked.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Gonna assume she got hacked.
BigJonsson
Member
If it was hacked they'd have tweeted a whole lotta stuff by now
Accidental click.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Why? A simple like or retweet is so much better.
RustyNails
Member
Punished Ryan better emerge from this fiasco sporting his beard (and eye patch).
Don't forget horn.
Rebel Leader
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Oh i know i would
AntraxSuicide
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The last sentence here has a little hypothesis that is generally understood without statement, but this assumes the dumb bill isn't the Speaker's in the first place.
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