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here is how health care works in Canada

I missed the bus, I got angry, I punched a brick wall and broke my hand.
After 3 days of pain, I checked myself at a walk-in clinic who had an X-ray machine.
He looked at it, said it was broken then said "let's take an X-Ray to know exactly where"
Takes X-Ray, shows it to me "it is a fracture, right here, take this your nearest hospital tomorow, go real early in the morning to avoid waiting"

the next morning at 6AM, I go to a hospital and show them my x-ray at the triage... I wait 5-10 minutes.
Boom! An orthopedist is reasy to see me, super nice doctor, got my hand in a cast and then told me to return in two weeks for follow up to check on my healing.

and it cost me 0 dollars, I don't pay a dime for x-rays, cast, etc...

that is the Canadian way ;)
 
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Binabik15

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Even if I have to wait a bit for a consultation without an appointment here in Germany it´s because other people get treated as well. I´d rather wait a bit than have other people who can´t afford the service of a doctor.

But I´m a filthy socialist, right?
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Deus Ex Machina said:
[Obama] Administration plans for end of ‘too big to fail’

Source: MSNBC

They are the biggest of the big — the Citigroups, the Goldman Sachses, the AIGs and other financial behemoths. The Obama administration doesn't want so many around anymore. Financial regulations proposed by the president would result in leaner and simpler institutions that don't carry the weight of the system on their marble columns.

Around Washington and Wall Street they have come to be known as TBTF — too big to fail. It's not just size, though. These companies are so far-flung, so intertwined and so precariously leveraged that a single one's collapse can create systemwide tremors that imperil the finances of millions of Americans.


Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31711461/ns/business-stocks_and_economy


I like this move in a way. We need a little bit more regulations on being this big.
 

Zhuk

Banned
I am hopeful for some good progress in Russia and positive outcomes in terms of arms agreements (in particular I would like to see the missile defense shield gone or a joint initiative announced) but Obama's comments about Putin before he left do concern me. Someone is either giving him bad advice on Russia or he is buying into the nonsense the US media portrays about Russia. I am tired of the old cold war politics and nonsense that still goes on, it's time to move on and forge new and closer relationships with Russia instead of what has been nearly 2 decades of policy which still sees Russia as an enemy of the US instead of a potential partner. Russia seems ready to move forward, but I wonder when all the politicians, lobbyists, think tanks and pundits in Washington who have been around since the 1980s are going to realize that its time for a real change.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
NetMapel said:
Seems like the battle of healthcare has just intensified in the US. Watching CNN, GOP Mitch McConnell blasted the Canadian health system by twisting some stats and exaggerating wait time in Canada. He cited an example of a Canadian patient who came to the US for a brain tumor surgery but did not mention how much she paid for the surgery in the US: $100,000+, which she was able to borrow from friends and families.

Seems like the healthcare industry in the US is having some insecurity issues now.

I'll bet if she offered a Canadian surgeon $100,000 she'd have been moved to the front of the list.
 

esbern

Junior Member
this thread would be taken so much more seriously if there weren't 100s of unnecessary Obama pictures being posted. Can't you all just link to them?
 

dave is ok

aztek is ok
LM4sure said:
Americans are stupid. Canada's health care system sucks. Waiting six months to see a specialist? No thank you!
Waiting six months to see a specialist for FREE.

Anyway, you'd still have the option of paying an arm and a leg to see one sooner.
 

gcubed

Member
Plinko said:
I'll bet if she offered a Canadian surgeon $100,000 she'd have been moved to the front of the list.

exactly. and now in the US you have these little membership practices popping up where you pay money for them to be your doctor which gets you less waiting, etc. Thats free market taking care of any waiting issue.
 
But its not like the healthcare plan will make the system like Canada. The healthcare plan with the Public Option will be a mix of public and private healthcare that hopefully more people will be able to afford.

And if someone thinks that there aren't people in the US who wait to get their operation done, or just wait before they go to the Doctor they are wrong. I know plenty of people who only go to the Doctor when they have only reached the limit, for the simple reason that they are afraid that it will turn into something more serious, requiring surgery which is expensive for their plan that covers only 60% of the costs.

Had a friend in College who injured his knee while playing Basketball. Operation cost was 2000$ plus the cost for follow up therapy visits. He had to hold off on the surgery till he could arrange the money for all that.

On top of that, there is the whole "Network" thing with Insurance companies. Out of network doctors cost more, you can never just go to a Doctor, who have to lookup, who is "in". If you are out of state they expect previous authorization for all medical visits.

In the end, my healthcare depends on a company whose main objective is to make Profit and that scares me.
 

Zero Hero

Member
esbern said:
this thread would be taken so much more seriously if there weren't 100s of unnecessary Obama pictures being posted. Can't you all just link to them?

Taken more seriously by who? :lol

Pictures are a nice break form the usual wall of text.
 

Touchdown

Banned
esbern said:
this thread would be taken so much more seriously if there weren't 100s of unnecessary Obama pictures being posted. Can't you all just link to them?

I actually enjoy the photos. They're a nice break from the endless banter.
 

mckmas8808

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GhaleonEB

Member
mckmas8808 said:
Two good things. Is the HELP committe the one that cost $600M and covers 97% of people?
Yes, but that's 1/2 the plan. Read Krugman's article. :p

Also, services sector improves in June, though it's still in contraction:

The report was issued today by Anthony Nieves, C.P.M., CFPM, chair of the Institute for Supply Management™ Non-Manufacturing Business Survey Committee; and senior vice president — supply management for Hilton Hotels Corporation. "The NMI (Non-Manufacturing Index) registered 47 percent in June, 3 percentage points higher than the 44 percent registered in May, indicating contraction in the non-manufacturing sector for the ninth consecutive month, but at a slower rate.​
Another month of that pace and the sector will not be contracting any longer.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
GhaleonEB said:
Yes, but that's 1/2 the plan. Read Krugman's article. :p

Also, services sector improves in June, though it's still in contraction:

The report was issued today by Anthony Nieves, C.P.M., CFPM, chair of the Institute for Supply Management™ Non-Manufacturing Business Survey Committee; and senior vice president — supply management for Hilton Hotels Corporation. "The NMI (Non-Manufacturing Index) registered 47 percent in June, 3 percentage points higher than the 44 percent registered in May, indicating contraction in the non-manufacturing sector for the ninth consecutive month, but at a slower rate.​
Another month of that pace and the sector will not be contracting any longer.


I don't understand how it's 1/2 the plan. And it's good to see the services sector coming back.
 

harSon

Banned
Kittonwy said:
If the grass isn't always greener, america wouldn't be trying to inject more government into healthcare and just about everything else.

I think the point is to make sure it's fiscally manageable (Canada has a shorter life expectancy than Macau and Hong Kong and both have strong private sector healthcare), having health insurance companies competing against each other isn't a bad thing, having the government as one of the players is, because the government doesn't need to run a profitable business or even break even, they're subsidized by the public, it's not a fair competition, not to mention health insurance companies aren't evil money grabbing entities, the public are the investors of such companies, with them out of the picture (why would anyone pay more to be with a private health insurance company when government insurance is cheaper?) you would have to raise healthcare dollars out of higher taxes. At the end of the day it all depends if you want to pay higher taxes because that's what's going to happen.

That probably has more to do with the differences in diets between the countries then their differences in healthcare systems.
 

Monroeski

Unconfirmed Member
gutter_trash said:
here is how health care works in Canada

I missed the bus, I got angry, I punched a brick wall and broke my hand.
After 3 days of pain, I checked myself at a walk-in clinic who had an X-ray machine.
He looked at it, said it was broken then said "let's take an X-Ray to know exactly where"
Takes X-Ray, shows it to me "it is a fracture, right here, take this your nearest hospital tomorow, go real early in the morning to avoid waiting"

the next morning at 6AM, I go to a hospital and show them my x-ray at the triage... I wait 5-10 minutes.
Boom! An orthopedist is reasy to see me, super nice doctor, got my hand in a cast and then told me to return in two weeks for follow up to check on my healing.

and it cost me 0 dollars, I don't pay a dime for x-rays, cast, etc...

that is the Canadian way ;)
So in other words, MY taxes would go to paying for you having a hissy fit and breaking your hand.

Not the best argument in favor of the system that I've heard.
 
Monroeski said:
So in other words, MY taxes would go to paying for you having a hissy fit and breaking your hand.

Not the best argument in favor of the system that I've heard.

isn't it awesome?
it beats paying 10 000 dollars
 

Cloudy

Banned
Anyone else watching this press conference. Obama really makes Bush look bad in public forums. Or does the recent memory of Bush make Obama seem better than he is? :lol
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Monroeski said:
So in other words, MY taxes would go to paying for you having a hissy fit and breaking your hand.

Not the best argument in favor of the system that I've heard.


But if he goes to the emergency room, then you would be paying for it anyway.....
 
Monroeski said:
So in other words, MY taxes would go to paying for you having a hissy fit and breaking your hand.

Not the best argument in favor of the system that I've heard.
Yes. Government Bureaucrats will show up at your door telling you that gutter_trash broke his hand and demand that you pay for his health expenses in full, kinda like the publisher's clearing house sweepstakes in reverse.
 

Binabik15

Member
Monroeski said:
So in other words, MY taxes would go to paying for you having a hissy fit and breaking your hand.

Not the best argument in favor of the system that I've heard.


Uh, but the money could be from his taxes, too.
 
GhaleonEB said:

Contrary to popular belief, Paul Krugman is not actually a dour robot programmed only to chant "PROGRESSIVE POLICY! STIMULUS! I AM DISAPPOINTED IN OBAMA!" over and over again. :lol

The HLEP bill is a great bill; it's something that could conceivably pass in a form very similar to how it's written, it would make health care dramatically better for millions of Americans, and it's actually conceivably fundable without jacking up our deficit. Unlike with ARRA, there really is no benefit to holding out hope for more than that with this bill.

harSon said:
That probably has more to do with the differences in diets between the countries then their differences in healthcare systems.

Yep. Smaller countries spend much more on average for health care as a % of GDP but can also more easily achieve superior health results. What's so ridiculous about the US is that we spend as much %-wise as a tiny island nation but we have the health outcomes of a third-world nation.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5754447/US-lurching-towards-debt-explosion-with-long-term-interest-rates-on-course-to-double.html


US lurching towards 'debt explosion' with long-term interest rates on course to double
The US economy is lurching towards crisis with long-term interest rates on course to double, crippling the country’s ability to pay its debts and potentially plunging it into another recession, according to a study by the US’s own central bank


By Philip Aldrick, Banking Editor
Published: 5:44AM BST 06 Jul 2009

In a 2003 paper, Thomas Laubach, the US Federal Reserve’s senior economist, calculated the impact on long-term interest rates of rising fiscal deficits and soaring national debt. Applying his assumptions to the recent spike in the US fiscal deficit and national debt, long-term interests rates will double from their current 3.5pc.

The impact would be devastating by making it punitively expensive to finance national borrowings and leading to what Tim Congdon, founder of Lombard Street Research, called a “debt explosion”. Mr Laubach’s study has implications for the UK, too, as public debt is soaring. A US crisis would have implications for the rest of the world, in any case.

Using historical examples for his paper, New Evidence on the Interest Rate Effects of Budget Deficits and Debt, Mr Laubach came to the conclusion that “a percentage point increase in the projected deficit-to-GDP ratio raises the 10-year bond rate expected to prevail five years into the future by 20 to 40 basis points, a typical estimate is about 25 basis points”.

The US deficit has blown out from 3pc to 13.5pc in the past year but long-term rates are largely unchanged. Assuming Mr Laubach’s “typical estimate”, long-term rates have to climb 2.5 percentage points.

He added: “Similarly, a percentage point increase in the projected debt-to-GDP ratio raises future interest rates by about 4 to 5 basis points.” Economists are predicting a wide range of ratios but Mr Congdon said it was “not unreasonable” to assume debt doubling to 140pc. At that level, Mr Laubach’s calculations would see long-term rates rise by 3.5 percentage points.

The study is damning because Mr Laubach was the Fed’s economist at the time, going on to become its senior economist between 2005 and 2008, when he stepped down. As a result, the doubling in rates is the US central bank’s own prediction.

Mr Congdon said the study illustrated the “horrifying” consequences for leading western economies of bailing out their banks and attempting to stimulate markets by cutting taxes and boosting public spending. He said the markets had failed to digest fully the scale of fiscal largesse and said “current gilt yields [public debt] are extraordinary low given the size of deficits”.

Should the cost of raising or refinancing public debt in the markets double, “the debt could just explode”, he said, adding that it would come to a head in “five to 10 years”.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
charlequin said:
Contrary to popular belief, Paul Krugman is not actually a dour robot programmed only to chant "PROGRESSIVE POLICY! STIMULUS! I AM DISAPPOINTED IN OBAMA!" over and over again. :lol

The HLEP bill is a great bill; it's something that could conceivably pass in a form very similar to how it's written, it would make health care dramatically better for millions of Americans, and it's actually conceivably fundable without jacking up our deficit. Unlike with ARRA, there really is no benefit to holding out hope for more than that with this bill.



Yep. Smaller countries spend much more on average for health care as a % of GDP but can also more easily achieve superior health results. What's so ridiculous about the US is that we spend as much %-wise as a tiny island nation but we have the health outcomes of a third-world nation.

I wouldn't go that far.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
GhaleonEB said:
1/2 the cost. I'm guessing you haven't read any of the articles that have been linked about it over the past week or you'd understand why. :p


Oh okay I see now. So it's really 1.2 Trillion after everything?
 
charlequin said:
Contrary to popular belief, Paul Krugman is not actually a dour robot programmed only to chant "PROGRESSIVE POLICY! STIMULUS! I AM DISAPPOINTED IN OBAMA!" over and over again. :lol

The HLEP bill is a great bill; it's something that could conceivably pass in a form very similar to how it's written, it would make health care dramatically better for millions of Americans, and it's actually conceivably fundable without jacking up our deficit. Unlike with ARRA, there really is no benefit to holding out hope for more than that with this bill.



Yep. Smaller countries spend much more on average for health care as a % of GDP but can also more easily achieve superior health results. What's so ridiculous about the US is that we spend as much %-wise as a tiny island nation but we have the health outcomes of a third-world nation.

Yeah, a great example of this is how cancer survival rates are higher in the USA than all of Europe (and probably the rest of the world). Oh wait...
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
AbortedWalrusFetus said:
Yeah, a great example of this is how cancer survival rates are higher in the USA than all of Europe (and probably the rest of the world). Oh wait...
which could be due to more aggressive pre-screening than treatment.
 
scorcho said:
which could be due to more aggressive pre-screening than treatment.

Preventive medicine is part of the healthcare we pay for, isn't it? Or does the money we pay for healthcare only count if we have a disease?

And how is that relevant to comparing the healthcare quality/outcomes in the US with a third world country (when it's first, or close to it, in most areas)?

CharlieDigital said:
You're not really this stupid, are you?

What part of that comment is stupid, exactly? Someone posts about getting free stuff for being an idiot and breaking his hand, and uses it as an example to promote public healthcare, and we're supposed to celebrate? It was probably the worst possible introduction to a public healthcare celebration I can think of. They should make him pay double for being an idiot.
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
Well if you want to get into it, the US probably has much higher cancer incidence rates compared to third world countries.
 

Macam

Banned
Zhuk said:
I am hopeful for some good progress in Russia and positive outcomes in terms of arms agreements (in particular I would like to see the missile defense shield gone or a joint initiative announced) but Obama's comments about Putin before he left do concern me. Someone is either giving him bad advice on Russia or he is buying into the nonsense the US media portrays about Russia. I am tired of the old cold war politics and nonsense that still goes on, it's time to move on and forge new and closer relationships with Russia instead of what has been nearly 2 decades of policy which still sees Russia as an enemy of the US instead of a potential partner. Russia seems ready to move forward, but I wonder when all the politicians, lobbyists, think tanks and pundits in Washington who have been around since the 1980s are going to realize that its time for a real change.

Russia seems ready to move forward? On what exactly? Russia isn't an enemy, but there are certainly valid disagreements in the US/Western complaints towards their state interference in the judicial system, in the press, in private business, as well as legitimate disagreements in foreign policy.
 
scorcho said:
Well if you want to get into it, the US probably has much higher cancer incidence rates compared to third world countries.

First of all, probably not. We have about the same incidence rates as canada does, only very slightly higher. Second of all, cancer survival rates are a percentage of the people that survive cancer once they get it (typically five year survival rates). That doesn't really change just because more people get cancer, it changes when the care in place treats for cancer better.
 

ronito

Member
AbortedWalrusFetus said:
What part of that comment is stupid, exactly? Someone posts about getting free stuff for being an idiot and breaking his hand, and uses it as an example to promote public healthcare, and we're supposed to celebrate? It was probably the worst possible introduction to a public healthcare celebration I can think of. They should make him pay double for being an idiot.
The stupid part of it is you're paying car insurance aren't you?

Let me explain, you're ok with paying for car insurance because it's legally required and your rates are determined by the company which means if a slew of people in your insurer's care decide to slam their cars into trees, well guess what your rates will go up to cover that cost, perhaps not as much as theirs but yours will go up. Yet you don't complain about it or even worry about it. Hell, the same thing happens in health insurance.

And to even take it logically farther. Some idiot without health insurance breaks his hands and has to have it taken care of, well guess who pays for that NOW? You don't really think an aspirin costs $16 do you? Or hell, let's say he even has health insurance and has reached his cap, he can't pay goes bankrupt (which 68% of all bankruptcies are due to medical costs) now his creditors don't get paid, your credit rates go up, the hospital doesn't get paid your rates go up. And so, tell me, exactly how is this doing you any good? I mean other than providing you a high horse to higher rates?
 

gkryhewy

Member
AbortedWalrusFetus said:
They should make him pay double for being an idiot.

:lol :lol

gutter trash's post was a cry for help. He wants GAF to scrounge up some blood pressure and anxiety mediation for him.
 
ronito said:
The stupid part of it is you're paying car insurance aren't you?

Let me explain, you're ok with paying for car insurance because it's legally required and your rates are determined by the company which means if a slew of people in your insurer's care decide to slam their cars into trees, well guess what your rates will go up to cover that cost, perhaps not as much as theirs but yours will go up. Yet you don't complain about it or even worry about it. Hell, the same thing happens in health insurance.

And to even take it logically farther. Some idiot without health insurance breaks his hands and has to have it taken care of, well guess who pays for that NOW? You don't really think an aspirin costs $16 do you? Or hell, let's say he even has health insurance and has reached his cap, he can't pay goes bankrupt (which 68% of all bankruptcies are due to medical costs) now his creditors don't get paid, your credit rates go up, the hospital doesn't get paid your rates go up. And so, tell me, exactly how is this doing you any good? I mean other than providing you a high horse to higher rates?

So the stupid part is actually if someone isn't for public healthcare, and the stupid part is not that the example is a horrible one. I think that's what you're saying. For all you know from that post he could be completely pro-public healthcare and STILL think that's a horrible example (because it is). The actual stupid thing in this case is the assumption that if someone thinks a public healthcare example is stupid they think the entire policy is stupid (or that they were even trying to comment on policy at all, which he probably wasn't!).

Edit:
I will make it known that I too was this idiot at one point. I got a boxers fracture on a friends head (he pissed me off). I was uninsured. Know what I did? Well I didn't go to the emergency room. I went to a family practitioner and paid about $80 for the doc to order me an x-ray. Then I went and got the x-ray for about $150, and then I went to a sports medicine doc who gave me Novocaine and set the bone, which cost me about $200. $400 or so and six weeks in a cast seems like a fair price for being an idiot to me :lol
 

scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
AbortedWalrusFetus said:
First of all, probably not. We have about the same incidence rates as canada does, only very slightly higher. Second of all, cancer survival rates are a percentage of the people that survive cancer once they get it (typically five year survival rates). That doesn't really change just because more people get cancer, it changes when the care in place treats for cancer better.
Canada isn't a third-world country, and you're missing the point.

First, cancer has both environmental as well as genetic causation, and higher rates of obesity, smoking, etc. contributes to higher incidence rates. And a side-effect of cancer treatment is that you increase the gene pool of certain genetic cancers (like colon cancer) that are likely to be passed on to children.

You're right in that the incidence rate of cancers don't affect survival rates, but having a much lower incidence level would make the overall health outcome of that population more favorable.
 
scorcho said:
Canada isn't a third-world country, and you're missing the point.

First, cancer has both environmental as well as genetic causation, and higher rates of obesity, smoking, etc. contributes to higher incidence rates. And a side-effect of cancer treatment is that you increase the gene pool of certain genetic cancers (like colon cancer) that are likely to be passed on to children.

You're right in that the incidence rate of cancers don't affect survival rates, but having a much lower incidence level would make the overall health outcome of that population more favorable.

I'm missing the point? So you're posturing that third world countries with virtually no preventive medicine, vaccination, higher tendencies of alcoholism and smoking, lower air and water quality, and general higher exposure to carcinogens gives them a lower incidence rate? If anything their incidence rate would probably only be lower because they don't live long enough to get cancer. The whole idea of a comparison between healthcare outcomes in the US and any third world country is so preposterous it should be outright mocked. That's the point.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
TPMDC Morning Roundup
By Eric Kleefeld - July 6, 2009, 9:00AM

FBI: Palin Not Under Investigation
The Anchorage Daily News reports that the FBI has taken the unusual step of affirmatively declaring that Sarah Palin is not under investigation. "We are not investigating her," said FBI spokesman Eric Gonzalez. "Normally we don't confirm or deny those kind of allegations out there, but by not doing so it just casts her in a very bad light. There is just no truth to those rumors out there in the blogosphere."

Obama's Day Ahead
President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama arrived in Moscow this morning. At 6 a.m. ET (2 p.m. local time), Obama participated in a wreath-laying ceremony at the Russian Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. At 6:50 a.m. ET, he met with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, with an expanded working meeting at 7:25 a.m. ET. At 10:30 a.m. ET, they will hold a joint press conference. At 11:30 a.m. ET, Obama and the First Lady will meet with U.S. Embassy personnel. At 12:35 p.m. ET, the Obamas will have dinner with President Medvedev and Russian First Lady Svetlana Medvedeva.

Biden's Day Ahead
Vice President Biden is spending the day in Washington, DC. At 12 p.m. ET, he will host conference calls with mayors and governors from across the country, to discuss stimulus implementation. He will have private meetings for the remainder of the day.

Obama And Medvedev Expected To Negotiate Deal On Arms Control
President Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev are expected to negotiate a new arms-control framework, to succeed the START I accord that is set to expire December 5. Gary Samore, the President's coordinator for weapons of mass destruction, said that the White House will look at ways to enforce any agreement by executive order in case it is not ratified in time by the Senate: "We'll have to look at arrangements to continue some of the inspection provisions, keep them enforced in a provisional basis, while the Senate considers the treaty."

WaPo: Health Companies Hire Former Lawmakers And Top Staffers To Lobby On Health Care Bill
The Washington Post reports that the major health-care companies are going to great lengths to influence the health debate in Congress, hiring as lobbyists numerous former top staffers to members of Congress and former members themselves. Included on the list are staffers for both Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT) and Chuck Grassley (R-IA) -- the chairman and head Republican on the Finance Committee, respectively. Also, former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX) and former House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt (D-MO) are both working for a New Jersey pharmaceutical firm.

CQ: Obama Winning Votes In Congress
CQ reports that the large Democratic majorities in Congress are having a clear payoff for President Obama. On the 26 votes in the House and 37 in the Senate where Obama has taken a clear position, including 20 votes to confirm his nominees, he has had a success rate of 95.2%. If this continues for the rest of the year, this would be the highest score for any year in the time that CQ has been keeping track of this, since President Dwight Eisenhower's first year in 1953.

McHugh Secures Big Defense Earmarks
The Hill reports that Rep. John McHugh (R-NY), who has been nominated by President Obama to be Secretary of the Army, has done a thorough job securing defense earmarks for his Upstate New York district. In the latest defense authorization bill -- for which McHugh was only one of eight Republicans to vote in favor -- he secured $44.13 in projects, including $8.2 million for an Army base in his district.​

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PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
GOP Pols Losing Control Of The Tea Party Movement?

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GOP Pols Losing Control Of Tea Party Movement?
By Eric Kleefeld - July 6, 2009, 12:33PM

Thousands of right-wing activists across this country rang in the Independence Day holiday with yet another round of tea-party protests against President Obama, inadvertently highlighting an interesting divide in the Republican Party. On the one hand are the hard-line activists who attend these things, versus the more mainstream politicians who want to win elections and are looking for their votes -- and are running into all manner of conflicts as a result, or finding themselves taking on some rather interesting policy stances along the way.

Most notably, Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX), who is chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, was booed at the event in Austin -- on the grounds that he's part of the problem in Washington, having voted for the Wall St. bailout last fall. "I'm not part of Washington," Cornyn said in his own defense. "I happen to work there, but on behalf of Texas, and I can vote 'no' on these reckless spending bills, on the refusal to cut taxes."

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Gov. Rick Perry -- who famously seemed to raise the specter of Texas seceding from the union during the April Tax Day protests -- was also booed at the same Austin event as Cornyn. Attendees saw him as yet another tax-hiking tyrant, because he supports toll roads in order to relieve traffic congestion.

The Dallas tea party also attracted some interesting folks in the crowd, as the Dallas Morning News reports:

Katie Vandermeer and her family, including her husband and four children, were sitting under a pop-up tent they brought to the ranch. She heard about the tea party through the Texas Nationalist Movement, which advocates Texas' secession from the U.S.​

In Bemidji, Minnesota, a headline speaker for their "Freedom Over Socialism" rally was state Rep. Mary Seifert, one of the leading Republican candidates for Governor, who warned of government taking away everyone's personal freedom: "Now suddenly we tell you that you have to wear your seat belts or someone is gong to come racing down the road and fine you." Another speaker, former state legislative candidate John Carlson, spoke favorably of the Articles of Confederation.

The tea party in Columbia, South Carolina, featured Sen. Jim DeMint and state Rep. Nikki Haley, a leading Republican candidate for Governor. One prominent person was missing, though: Gov. Mark Sanford, who had previously headlined a Tax Day tea party back in April.

The tea party in Boiling Springs, South Carolina, featured a colorful cast of characters. The headline speaker was Alan Keyes, who has been a leading name of the "Birther" movement. Lead organizer Michael Brady came dressed up as Thomas Paine -- who in real life was a left-winger in favor of progressive taxation and opposed to traditional religion. One attendee took out a flyer that said, "Zelaya today, Obama tomorrow," but said he was advocating impeachment of Obama after he was asked directly whether he was in favor of a coup.

At the event in Los Angeles, right-wing former Saturday Night Live actress Victoria Jackson -- who has previously called Barack Obama a Muslim and a communist -- called for the President's impeachment, "There, I said it," and did a handstand dedicated to our men and women in uniform. As Chris Erskine of the Los Angeles Times writes: "But Victoria Jackson held that handstand for, like, almost a minute -- strong and proud. In my book, that's worth 10 bucks alone."​

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crappy chemicals, additives, genetically modified engineere vegetables and fruits, poultry that is fed crap, cattle that is fed crap, pollutants in rivers, lakes that mutate the fish

all the perfect ingredients to cause all sort of differnt types of cancers in your various digestive organs. Liver, colon, whatever

just go to a &Eleven, look at what they sell.. just sugar loaded as far as the eye can see.

the American food industry has grown too much of a greedy business just as the Health Insurrence and Pharmaceutical industries... forget about ehtics, forget about right n wrong

duh duhh we got lots of cancer.. duh
 
AbortedWalrusFetus said:
What part of that comment is stupid, exactly? Someone posts about getting free stuff for being an idiot and breaking his hand, and uses it as an example to promote public healthcare, and we're supposed to celebrate? It was probably the worst possible introduction to a public healthcare celebration I can think of. They should make him pay double for being an idiot.

Both of you have failed to understand the fundamental concept of "insurance". Thus: you are stupid.
 

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Tyrone Slothrop said:
kind of stupid to hold their main one in austin... place is pretty fucking liberal

It's really dumb, but this isn't a "movement" known for its intelligence. They try to draw people in from San Antonio and the surrounding areas but some politicians just go there instead (like Rick Perry, who went to San Antonio to meet Joe the Plumber at some dive bar to iterate his support for...something). It's amusing if only because this isn't a movement, as much as it is a collection of angry anti-government, anti-tax, anti-immigrant, anti-Union, anti-anything people that show up at a place to yell at anyone and anything, which makes it somewhat baffling that any politician would even bother showing up. Point in case, some of the people mentioned are angry at Rick Perry for privatizing public roads and highways and supporting toll roads (something the libertarian Reason foundation has been advocating); but, of course, they'd also protest if taxes were raised to pay for building those roads instead. Their solution? Well, they don't have one.

That said, they deserve props for at least booing Perry & Cornyn. It's just a shame no one pelted them with used tea bags.
 
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