They have brains NOW.
They tend to have short-term memories and will still end up voting for the candidate with a "R" next to their name.
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Poll: Senate GOP candidates take 30 pt hit when voters learn they support Trumpcare
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They have brains NOW.
They tend to have short-term memories and will still end up voting for the candidate with a "R" next to their name.
Yep. This is why Republicans wanted to get it through as far as possible from mid-terms.
Aaron Strife
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They are. Watch their media appearances. Watch their ads. You're literally posting this in a thread about a Dem-sponsored SuperPAC commissioning a push poll against AHCA.
This narrative that the Democrats are never attacking Republicans, never running hard on issues like healthcare etc is so weird because it's so baseless!
They shouldn't have needed to be told that Trump would try and take away their healthcare but here we are.
Biggest problem for Democrats regarding messaging is that voters simply don't believe Republicans could be that insidious. Low-information voters don't pay enough attention to know that "Obamacare will set up death panels for grandma" and "Republicans want to defund Planned Parenthood and take healthcare away from 22 million people" are not on the same level of hyperbole.
Yup. Just because they dislike Trumpcare doesn't mean they won't still vote for every single other shitty Republican who wants the same thing.
foxuzamaki
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Perfect reaction
Turbo Killer
Member
Fucking awesome, hit them where it hurts.
The GOP do it to themselves. Meanwhile we have to wait until summer to hear about Schumers economic plan he's apparently got cooking up. Up until it was nonsense about Russia.
Atleast we are pivoting to real issues, even at a glacial pace
Atleast we are pivoting to real issues, even at a glacial pace
Considering that Trumpcare has a 27% approval rating, that isn't surprising.
There have been all sorts of bill proposed by dems since Trump got elected, including healthcare ones. They were all just killed in committee.
There have been all sorts of bill proposed by dems since Trump got elected, including healthcare ones. They were all just killed in committee.
Lastgengamer
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Yeah, I'll never be able to forget that image of Paul Ryan getting down on the ground begging for more votes to take away healthcare.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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Thank you Joe Lieberman?
Raylan Targaryen
Member
Or option c, show your true colors and keep your seats. Win-win
Republicans have been fucking people in the ass, they don't hide it and still have support. I mean you see these stories of illegal immigrants that voted for trump that got scooped by ICE and are still like "Trump! #MAGA!"
Autodidact
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2005: "Permanent Republican majorities!"
"It doesn't matter that Bush tried to privatize Social Security. They'll still vote Republican."
Google the 2006 midterms.
"It doesn't matter that Bush tried to privatize Social Security. They'll still vote Republican."
Google the 2006 midterms.
No, Lieberman can fuck himself. ACA would have been so much better and less vulnerable without useless shits like him, Nelson, Baucus, etc. shilling for the industry and dragging the bill to the right, killing the public option. They all lost anyway.
Autodidact
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Blue Dog Darlings damaged Democrats' deal to deliver a daring public option.
Krombopulos_Michael
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No doubt some people will continue to vote republican. Some people will happily slurp up the fox new propaganda and would die before admitting they were wrong. However, there are plenty of people who vote republican who aren't stupid who will vote democrat when faced with losing their healthcare. Even if only like 10% change their votes it would be enough to gain a democrat majority. This poll along with the close results of the special elections bodes well for democrats, and as Trump and republicans continue to act horribly, their favorability will continue to suffer.
ShinySylvee
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Not super fluent in reading polls but this headline seems extremely deceptive (or at the very least extremely easy to misinterpret) in terms of what is actually contained in the poll. The poll talks about a 30 point swing but the swing is an increase in the disapproval of the candidate, not a drop in the approval. In the same metric the support of the candidate actually goes up as well after the poll takers were informed of them supporting the bill from 21 to 26%, although this is largely because the initial poll had 58% of the voters undecided and the second one has around 22% that are undecided. The other number released is the change in votes for candidates, which has the numbers change from 48-38 to 56-35. Since 8% was added to the results I think it's reasonable to assume that the republican candidate lost around 3-5 points of the original voters since some of the new voters might have voted for Republicans to replace the ones that changed their mind. With that estimate it means that roughly 8-13% of republican voters switched sides which although is a significant number isn't the GOP hemorrhaging its support base as a lot of the people in this thread seemed to believe. (Myself included)
Based on my understanding of the poll's numbers it appears that undecideds are becoming decidedly democratic after hearing about the bill support, not that the republicans are switching sides. And although this is certainly a big deal in terms of indicating trends going into the elections over a year from now as it represents a pretty substantial shift of undecideds reacting negatively to republicans' support of this bill, it doesn't indicate that the GOP base is massively eroding as I think a lot of people assumed from the headline.
Also I'm really curious as to how the pollsters framed the questions. Depending on how they introduced these questions I think the numbers could be skewed a bit one way or the other and I'm not super familiar with how these questions are administered. The press release says it was over phone and that they asked 10 states but doesn't talk about how they conducted it.
Based on my understanding of the poll's numbers it appears that undecideds are becoming decidedly democratic after hearing about the bill support, not that the republicans are switching sides. And although this is certainly a big deal in terms of indicating trends going into the elections over a year from now as it represents a pretty substantial shift of undecideds reacting negatively to republicans' support of this bill, it doesn't indicate that the GOP base is massively eroding as I think a lot of people assumed from the headline.
Also I'm really curious as to how the pollsters framed the questions. Depending on how they introduced these questions I think the numbers could be skewed a bit one way or the other and I'm not super familiar with how these questions are administered. The press release says it was over phone and that they asked 10 states but doesn't talk about how they conducted it.
Dreams-Visions
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that's... a lot of points.
Zantetsuken
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My sentiments exactly.
this is what's going to happen.
RPGCrazied
Member
I get it, the GOP hates the Democrats. But vote for another party. Though we will probably never see an Independent or Libertarian President anytime soon.
Good. Let em seal their fate.
Aaron Strife
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Many will. Swing voters will not. And people who came out specifically for Trump might stay home next year rather than vote.
People have got to stop chicken littling about "his base." His base is not a majority. His winning margins came from desperate lifetime Democrats (who are already dissatisfied with him and could vote for a better Democrat than Hillary) and liberals who stayed home.
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