It always depends on the streamer. Other mid/big streamers are doing fine just acknowledging a subscriber and answering a donation message on the fly. Heck, my only subscription in almost 6 years of Justin/Twitch.tv goes to a guy who doesn't say anything when you subscribe/resubscribe.
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Popular Twitch Streamer Man vs Game Admits to Taking Speed
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It always depends on the streamer. Other mid/big streamers are doing fine just acknowledging a subscriber and answering a donation message on the fly. Heck, my only subscription in almost 6 years of Justin/Twitch.tv goes to a guy who doesn't say anything when you subscribe/resubscribe.
Heavy's Sandvich
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She was the one that exposed the fact.
Nah she pretty much put him on blast and said he had brain damage and was a junkie and all this nonsense. Pretty fucked up, even if she sorta meant well. However, it seems its let him confront this, so some good came out of it.
I've been a fan of MAN since his Demons Souls day, even got summoned to his game on one of his casts. I hope his recovery is doing well and I'm looking forward to seeing his Dragons Dogma cast on Friday.
I was around on YouTube back then as well, my old channel got banhammered for uploading game footage too. Then in Feb. 2008 when I saw the very beginning of what would later become Twitch in the form of the Backloggery.com's Justin.tv stream I was energized to eventually start live streaming games. I thought it was the coolest fucking thing ever, being able to play games in front of a live audience and interact with them. By the time I finally got the financial and technical means to start streaming myself however it was around 2011 and... things have changed.
The desire, the romance I once had to live stream myself quickly died. The community was so harsh to get into now. I ended up only streaming a few games, then I tried YouTube again and also found it to be too depressing. In the end I spent a bunch of money on streaming/capturing equipment that now collects dust. There's really no point to do this if you don't have the interaction with even a few people, and it is next to impossible to get noticed to even get a few loyal watchers to interact with. So you're literally just playing a game as you normally would... but with a mic hooked to you and a blank chatroom in the corner of your eye. Needless to say, I've stopped.
I can't imagine the pressure people like MANvsGAME deal with, because I'm sure they are well aware that they can quickly be buried as well. I never thought back then in 2008 that the blissful act of playing games while talking to other people on the internet would evolve into what it is today. In ways, I'm kinda glad I never had any success in it, cause the act of actively trying to keep that success would frankly be too much for me.
Marathons really aren't that stupid, sure you feel like shit but it isn't going to kill you. So many people anymore shit on people, and even try to get their channels banned, for doing long-hauls. It really isn't a big deal. You have to stay up for a helluva long time and do it regularly for it to really be bad for you, you're just gonna feel like hot garbage, but a good nap and you're back in good shape.
Heavy's Sandvich
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That may be initially the case, for some, but addiction is far more powerful than wanting to enjoy yourself.
It's hard to say really, he's the only one who really knows. He's suffering from depression and has for awhile so he says, and it is known that lack of sleep can help with depression. If that does help him, sure it isn't healthy, but poor sleep would be better than abusing drugs.
But it's safe to say he doesn't want to do it anymore, considering his comment in the archive about him saying the human body shouldn't do that and even 24 hours is too much.
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It is one of the worst things you could ever do to yourself and your loved ones. At first it feels like a 'Limitless' pill but one day you find yourself wishing you were dead. Not worth it at all.
hobblygobbly
Member
MANvsGAME is a really nice guy even if he can be a bit tempered at times, I discovered him and Dansgaming etc back on justin.tv gaming section before twitch existed.
Over last 2 years or so you could clearly see MvG changing especially when he began doing those really lengthy casts, I didn't like seeing it (felt like a helpless feeling when you can see something is wrong).
I hope he finds balance in his life.
Over last 2 years or so you could clearly see MvG changing especially when he began doing those really lengthy casts, I didn't like seeing it (felt like a helpless feeling when you can see something is wrong).
I hope he finds balance in his life.
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This last part, is so fucking ignorant. You have no idea what you're talking about buddy.
Heavy's Sandvich
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Man vs Game's channel is more than popular to be able to do a "normal" schedule.
There is no need for 24 hour streams whatsoever, in my eyes.
There is no need for 24 hour streams whatsoever, in my eyes.
Yeah I don't get it. He gets thousands of viewers and plenty of subs every time I stop by his channel. He also gets hired on for hosting gigs and conferences and what not.
What a lovely black and white world you live in. People take and abuse drugs for many, many reasons. I have spent the last few years working with drug users and it's amazing that you still read ignorant comments such as this.
You may say how can you be a drugs worker with such a username? Well not every drug has to be harmful. It's more down to the person taking it and their reasons why.
I feel for this twitch streamer. It's so easy to let drugs rule your life and the twitch pressure is real. Stop streaming for a fee days and you could lose subs. Always someone else waiting in the wings to take your place.
UnblessedSoul
Member
Well he took the first step in admitting and accepting his past habits, now we hope he gets the help he needs.
ReginaldXIV
Member
Depression brings on insomnia, couple that with adderall and you're up for days whether you want to or not.
I watched him back in the JTV days til maybe a year ago when he just started looking and sounding like a zombie who didn't seem to want to be doing what he's doing anymore. The entertainment value just wasn't there for me anymore.
I'll definitely come back for the launch of Dark Souls 3, because when he's fresh faced and bushy tailed in a Souls game, he becomes the MANgod that we all enjoy.
If you'd watch a bit of the broadcast in the op you'd hear MvG talk about normal streams and his depression. He took the pills exactly because he couldn't do even normal 8 hour casts anymore. And from that point on it spiralled out of control.
Norwegian_Imposter
Member
I did it for charity only last week but I wouldn't do it without that incentive at all
Laws00
Member
Feel bad for him but damn man. Wish him the best
Wow
I love video games but the way the social era is with streaming, sharing, youtubing, has turned me off to gaming.
It's crazy how someone can make a living doing this in this day. I know that if I was involved in gaming I would hate it eventually.
The man is an entertainer more now then anything. Catering more to shout outs and what not then actually playing the game. I mean it's good/great to interact with your audience but to spend the majority of your time talking to them ruins it for me at least.
Wow
I love video games but the way the social era is with streaming, sharing, youtubing, has turned me off to gaming.
It's crazy how someone can make a living doing this in this day. I know that if I was involved in gaming I would hate it eventually.
The man is an entertainer more now then anything. Catering more to shout outs and what not then actually playing the game. I mean it's good/great to interact with your audience but to spend the majority of your time talking to them ruins it for me at least.
Heavy's Sandvich
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I had watched the video when it came out.
Streamers usually go for 24 hour streams as a way to drive subscriptions, keep their high viewer count going. Helps to establish themselves and be noticed/recognised by the wider twich community.
He is someone that needs a bit more help than others at the moment.
I wish him all the luck in the world. If I could help I would. Spamfish seems similar as well, seems they need a hug and a bit of support at the very least.
Fairly ignorant for you to say. Twitch viewers are fickle, they can and will forget about you if you let them, even more so if they're subscribers which is what people like MAN depend on to live. For people who live on Twitch to take a break is just like taking a break from most jobs; you don't make money for that time. Except with most jobs the moment you go back you keep making the same paycheck, but with Twitch the people who make the paycheck could have disappeared.
This is the kind of pressure big Twitch streamers have to deal with. They have to stay consistent, they have to stay visible. Granted he has a partnership directly with Twitch which probably gives him a nice chunk, but make no mistake how big of a deal those subscribers are to him.
It's a new market, he probably quit his job (or stopped looking) once he started making money out of it and now, like everyone else, he has debts and whatnot, so he can't exactly stop.
And the thing about the internet self-publish/broadcast/produce age is that you are on your own basically.
He is basically doing a tv show without the structure of a tv station and no tv crew. When you get to the point where this is your job, then streaming stops being like, pick a game, set up a webcam and go for it.
You need to maintain the technical structure of stable internet connections, good image quality, good sound, good capturing, etc.; then you have to be the entertainer, be there on camera, be happy (or angry or whatever your gimmick is) all the time. Gotta give them shout-outs.
Basically, it's a small tv show that you are doing completely alone and without any fallback. You take a month off and lose viewers, you just lost money; there's no one to "cover" for you, no company to keep paying you while on vacation. Basically every worker right that we take for granted basically don't exist when you find yourself self employed as a twitch streamer. If it's a hobby, then whatever, but if the electrical bill depends on you having some steady thousands of paying subscribers per month, everything gets a new weight.
So yeah, you become paranoid, to put it mildly. People get paranoid and do drugs when they have relatively stable jobs with companies that give them vacations and health insurance. I can only imagine the kind of pression a streamer falls into when he becomes insecure about his viewership, for whatever reason.
Diablohead
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every time I checked his channel out it was him pausing the game every 20 seconds to thank a resub or read a donation, there was less gameplay every time I looked last year.
doing drugs to keep up streaming though is rather bad, maybe he should set up a stream time and a day off every week like a lot of other streamers do
doing drugs to keep up streaming though is rather bad, maybe he should set up a stream time and a day off every week like a lot of other streamers do
BibiMaghoo
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Back in my day people took narcotics to have fun, certainly people didn't take speed if they were just going to sit in the house.
12-hour masturbation marathons ftw.
what the fuck? are you guys trolling? meth and speed are worlds apart.
Nice! I love all three of them and they really try to watch out for eachother, but sometimes there are just connection failures and more... Didn't threedog even book a hotel room so that he has a stable internet connection for MGSV marathon? i love those guys and always watch them if they do a stream.
Never gets boring with the chatdarkwing-buck
Member
This is pretty fucked up. I hope Man is getting the help and support he needs to get healthy again.
Right, you take downers to stay in your house and uppers to leave the house. Kids these days are all messed up.
neoism
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you could totaly tell... from the weight he lost.... also the job is easy and its not really a job.. or work... plenty of streamers stick to a scheulce and stream for no more than 30 hours a week.... guys streamers seem to have more viewers and subs but less donations...one of my fav girl streamers is misskyliee she has max 300 viewers a stream but still makes 3k-7k a month... she gets mad donations, her first stream of the year she got a 5k donation alone.... and she does 4-7 hours a day max with two days off...
you make it hard... but its not.... when you get a certain number of viewers/subs it will fluctuate constantly up and down...
you make it hard... but its not.... when you get a certain number of viewers/subs it will fluctuate constantly up and down...
Haunted
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I stopped watching him when the streams became more about the community/chat/subs and the notification spiel than him actually playing and reacting to the games.
Hindsight is always 20/20, I find it tough to differentiate between a naturally enthusiastic, charged, energetic person and someone helping that along with substance abuse. And of course, those are charges not easily levelled at someone, especially if you only see that person on a screen, during a performance.
Hopefully he gets the professional help and familial support needed to get that shit out of his life.
Hindsight is always 20/20, I find it tough to differentiate between a naturally enthusiastic, charged, energetic person and someone helping that along with substance abuse. And of course, those are charges not easily levelled at someone, especially if you only see that person on a screen, during a performance.
Hopefully he gets the professional help and familial support needed to get that shit out of his life.
Pretty much my thoughts. The only reason you should be streaming video games is because you like playing them, and enjoy sharing your experience. Every financial gain should always be considered as a bonus, and a temporary one at that. Even if you're lucky enough to be able to make a living out of your hobby, enjoy the ride, but keep a plan B in mind.
Jup. Methamphetamine is stronger, more addictive and way more expensive.
BLOODED_hands
Member
Man loves his subs. He, like most other big streamers, realizes that without the viewers, subs, and donations he wouldn't be doing what he is doing. I get annoyed when I watch him stream but I understand it. For him, he really wants his viewers to know that they are the important ones. They are what will push a streamer up or keep a streamer down.
Sure he's said some controversial things regarding his subs and viewers and I'm not excusing him for that. What's important for him is acknowledging his fanbase. It's a double-edged sword. You either interact and literally chat with your chat and make them feel special or you sometimes interact with chat and they feel less important and less obligated coming back to your stream. He's a fulltime dedicated entertainer first and foremost. His gameplay is second.
KyleCross makes good points regarding the Twitch community too.
The issues with Man are his health, drug use history, depression, anxiety, and a semi-recent divorce/seperation. The craziest thing in life is the fact that many, many people put up a lie to mask their issues. Do not take this the wrong way but that's what happened to Robin Williams and many other entertainers (may they rest in peace). It's sad and the only thing they should do is to announce it to the world their problems and seek professional help before things get worse.
When he starts feeling better he should definitely change his schedule (even though he has tried plenty of times these last few months) and start remaining consistent.
BibiMaghoo
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It's people's jobs now. It is crazy that people pay to watch people play games.
I've been watching alot of Twitch lately its fascinating. I've been viewing ones with only a hundred or so viewers and can see the stress they go through. Their like celebrities but without the protection(people surrounding them) or money. With the constant feedback and the abuse and advice, and the expectations of the audience, Its got to drive them a little crazy.
I was going to subscribe to a few but with this and other things, I have been wondering if Twitch is really such a good thing.
BumblebeeCody
Member
For SPEEDruns?
I worry for Spamfish. He openly talks about his depression and I hope he can deal with it eventually. He's the only streamer I've subscribed to because he's great as a streamer and I think he's also a great guy and it kills me to see him below 1k viewers some days.
Heavy's Sandvich
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I actually knew him personally, went to the same school etc, N64 mario kart sessions.
I wish I could help them all.
"Speed" is just a street name for stimulants. The actual drugs may vary. Traditionally it was amphetamines, but drug dealers are apt to sell whatever is cheaper and easier to get, so it could be any mixture of stimulants, including meth.
Same story with "Ecstasy". Traditionally it meant MDMA, but nowadays it may contain some mixture of meth, MDA, and other more dangerous drugs.
Ivan Amiibo
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I haven't watched in a while but he looks like absolute shit in that video. According to his twitter, he's trying to kick on his own, unless I missed something. That's pretty bad news, actually, if he's been taking it every single time he's streamed. He's already planning his comeback stream a month after admitting it to his viewers and seems to have spent most of this time posting gifs of himself (tweeked out) on twitter, bad sign.
The stream/twitch career is an excuse to take speed at this point, I imagine. Strange that some people think he HAS to stream as much as he does--that's 100% bullshit. He could live off of a normal 8 hour shift, easily. He also has the popularity to diversify like crazy, if he isn't just a complete mess off stream or unskilled or tough to work with. But nobody aside from other speed addicts expects him to stream as much as he does.
I can't imagine having pressure like that to play games, but at the same time, shame on him for not building it up on his own healthy terms. Plenty of others have, he just likes speed.
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The stream/twitch career is an excuse to take speed at this point, I imagine. Strange that some people think he HAS to stream as much as he does--that's 100% bullshit. He could live off of a normal 8 hour shift, easily. He also has the popularity to diversify like crazy, if he isn't just a complete mess off stream or unskilled or tough to work with. But nobody aside from other speed addicts expects him to stream as much as he does.
I can't imagine having pressure like that to play games, but at the same time, shame on him for not building it up on his own healthy terms. Plenty of others have, he just likes speed.
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