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Porn-Induced Sexual Dysfunction
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As always: first post nailed it
Hey guys,
So the PEID (porn induced erectile dysfunction) awareness has skyrocketed the last two years. I wanted to check in to see if more GAFers are having these issues.
I recently decided to do this for reals, so I'm about 5 days into my reboot. I recommend checking out http://www.rebootnation.org for some amazing recovery stories to inspire you. I also found out that Gary Wilson, expert in PIED quoted this thread in one of his videos. Pretty cool ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHHyt6z0osA
A thing that suprised me a lot while doing some research was that porn addiction can make straight men crave gay or bisexual porn or fantasies, even though they're straight. The brain is a motherfucker if you don't treat it well.
So the PEID (porn induced erectile dysfunction) awareness has skyrocketed the last two years. I wanted to check in to see if more GAFers are having these issues.
I recently decided to do this for reals, so I'm about 5 days into my reboot. I recommend checking out http://www.rebootnation.org for some amazing recovery stories to inspire you. I also found out that Gary Wilson, expert in PIED quoted this thread in one of his videos. Pretty cool ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHHyt6z0osA
A thing that suprised me a lot while doing some research was that porn addiction can make straight men crave gay or bisexual porn or fantasies, even though they're straight. The brain is a motherfucker if you don't treat it well.
Maybe this is just that increased exposure to sexuality can make people more open-minded about their own sexuality? I'm not sure this is necessarily a bad thing, they could just be finding out more about themselves...
ricardo_sousa11
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I have realized since a few months back, that I dont get as hard as I used to with my partner, although I still get pretty hard hard-ons, and morning boners and all that. Also keep getting pretty hard with regular porn. But this has been troubling me, although im not sure if its because of my regular use of porn, or anxiety/stress that I have been feeling lately.
Eitherway, I've decided to "reboot" and lay off porn for a while, probably gonna start running instead, since I have a lot of free time. I believe having no job atm has increased my libido, leading me to watch more porn, but doing it so often has reduced it (idk if this makes any sense but hey..)
Eitherway, I've decided to "reboot" and lay off porn for a while, probably gonna start running instead, since I have a lot of free time. I believe having no job atm has increased my libido, leading me to watch more porn, but doing it so often has reduced it (idk if this makes any sense but hey..)
Switch Back 9
a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
I jerk off to some pretty kinky porn, and do it often enough, yet have no problem getting it up or finishing with my partner. But I have a massive sex drive most of the time. I'm just a super horny, kinky freak.
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The Everyman
same.
I guess, but as a young man who only has romantic feelings for women; having sexual thoughts about your own sex while also having issues with performing with the oppsite can really hurt your self confidence if you're not aware of what's going on.
It's only an addiction if it interferes with your life imo. 3x a week is laughable.
This thread isn't meant to condemn porn, masturbation or any other sexual activity. People are different. I made this thread for people like me who are struggling with these issues. Mind you that back in 2011 this was a pretty new thing, the "nofap" awareness didn't really exist and the success stories were far and few between. Now we basically know that quitting porn has helped a lot of guys, even changed their lives completely.
If you watch porn 10 times a day and still destroy/smang/nuke from orbit your bf/gf, then that's awesome. People react to this stuff differently, and that's perfectly ok.
If you watch porn 10 times a day and still destroy/smang/nuke from orbit your bf/gf, then that's awesome. People react to this stuff differently, and that's perfectly ok.
Uh, no...
Take a look:
http://fightthenewdrug.org/#sthash.x9wztMCy.dpbs
Ted Talk: The Great Porn Experiment - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU
GQ Magazine: 10 Reasons Why You Should Quit Watching Porn - See more at: http://fightthenewdrug.org/gq-magaz...ould-quit-watching-porn/#sthash.b0BJkLvP.dpuf
It affects you in more ways than you know...
Naked Snake
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CitizenCope
Member
I usually have to finish things myself and yes I blame porn for it. My wife thinks it's old age. I think we are both ok with it.
I don't understand. Are you implying this is inherently a bad thing? In and of itself?
entremet
Member
That's called being normal at your age.
Can Pornography Trigger Depression?
Or are depressed people more prone to view porn
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/inside-porn-addiction/201111/can-pornography-trigger-depression
"Individuals who view pornography daily scored in the severe depression range (over 21) while those who viewed porn 3-5 times a week averaged a little above 15--still not great but not severe depression."
More studies obvious need to be done, and this site seems to be tracking that progress.
http://yourbrainonporn.com/
Irishmantis
Member
We need have a gaff porn Rehab OT
so we can all suffer together, just for 3 months
so we can all suffer together, just for 3 months
Switch Back 9
a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
But you don't know how I am!
I used to suffer from this. For years I thought something was physically wrong with me because I couldn't get it up with partners much less talk about reaching orgasm. Sometimes I even got sucidal. On the surface I was a young guy in good shape, fairly popular, in a fraternity but I'd actively avoid getting into situations that could lead to sex. Trust me after having 5 failed attempts at sex you start question a lot about yourself.
I pretty much ruled out having children etc. It was weird though porn seemed to work but my situation was so bad that I couldn't even maintain an erection while watching porn if I stopped stimulating, I lost my erection in seconds. I started researching penile injuries. I read articles about people that claimed they suffered from injuries that caused their penis to not be able to hold blood to remain turgid. I thought "ah that must be why I need continuous stimulation" porn being the culprit still didn't occur to me.
I was reading the most obscure forums reading how people corrected this issue. It led me to some doctor in Hong Kong that specialized in cutting off some veins in the penis to ensure that you could remain erect. I set that as a goal for myself I would save and see that doctor. I did think I should probably see an doctor in the states first before I make a move like this. After 3+ years I went to see one, I described my symptoms he seemed puzzled, he ruled out low testosterone without testing just based on my physical condition. He did prescribe me Cialis though, I thought to myself, this has to work. I should add there was this girl I was seeing, I had already messed up not being able to get it up with her once. She didn't understand (she was very attractive), it made her feel insecure which made me feel worse. Armed with the Cialis I thought I'll try again and even if I can't reach orgasm with her, I'll at least try to make her happy. It didn't work *fuck* this was the height of my depression, I started thinking how was life worth living if I could have children find a partner and make here happy etc. The girl in question stopped talking to me, she found another guy, it hurt bad.
At this point I started seeing a therapist, I explained what was going on with me, he didn't have a solution but it was good to admit this to someone else real. The biggest change he did for me was to get me to tell my brother. I had kept this to myself for nearly 4 years, no one else knew. I swallowed my pride and told my brother turns out he had been experiencing something similar although not to the level I was at. He mentioned to me that he had read something about Porn Induced Erectile dysfunction. I was puzzled what was that? He linked me to this website yourbrainonporn. I went there and started reading the stories, this was a huge turning point for me. Those stories were me and better still it seemed like some of these people had managed to fix themselves. I was resolved, at my worst I was jacking off daily, I went cold turkey armed with the belief and evidence that I could be fixed it and decided to follow the 90 day "reboot" period plan.
I slipped up after 2 weeks, this would be hard I thought. I went through a spiral of attempts and slip ups never going past my original 2 week attempt. At the turn of the year I made the decision to start working out and have that coincide with my reboot. The first two weeks were difficult but I had my brother now, he kept an eye on me and held me accountable. I made it. After 3 weeks or so, my dick felt dead. I felt no urges for sex whatsoever, but apparently this was normal. This was the "flatline" after about 2 months in my libido skyrocketed my "standards" for potential partners dropped. But I still stuck with it, watching porn would have been an easy escape but I didn't. After awhile I actively stopped keeping count. I started being noticed by more women. It felt great. I joined a couple of dating sites, met a girl, had sex. I didn't orgasm, but I didn't lose my erection either. That for me was huge progress.
That relationship kinda faded out but the next one I met this woman, nice funny interesting, we talked a lot and when we finally had sex, we did it without a condom and that was the first time I had my first orgasm from sex. I nearly cried after but I couldn't for obvious reasons it'd creep her out. I told my brother and he was so happy for me my journey was finally getting there.
This is just a small portion of my story, I've slipped up and looked at porn multiple times since my PIV orgasm but it doesn't set me back as much as well before, I'm more confident with approaching women and much much happier. At my worst I couldn't maintain an erection while standing up watching porn and I most definitely couldn't achieve an erection while masturbating without it standing or sitting. Those days are over now. I still jack off maybe every two weeks or so (sometimes with porn sometimes without it), but I'm actually doing another "reboot" to coincide with a workout program I am doing, mostly to prove to myself that I could drop masturbation completely if I wanted to. One thing I did notice was that my tastes in porn warped and became increasingly more fetish oriented and violent as time progressed, vanilla didn't do it for me. I'm glad I didn't get to the point where I started watching gay porn or transsexual point. I don't think my mind would've been able to reason that at all when I knew I was clearly straight. This doesn't also affect everyone the same, I think it might have something to do with how much porn you watch during your formative years in puberty, it's hard to get out of it after that. Kinda like how jacking off with the right hand feels weird compared to left if you watch porn online. Well that's my story, I can have sex now, Yay!
I pretty much ruled out having children etc. It was weird though porn seemed to work but my situation was so bad that I couldn't even maintain an erection while watching porn if I stopped stimulating, I lost my erection in seconds. I started researching penile injuries. I read articles about people that claimed they suffered from injuries that caused their penis to not be able to hold blood to remain turgid. I thought "ah that must be why I need continuous stimulation" porn being the culprit still didn't occur to me.
I was reading the most obscure forums reading how people corrected this issue. It led me to some doctor in Hong Kong that specialized in cutting off some veins in the penis to ensure that you could remain erect. I set that as a goal for myself I would save and see that doctor. I did think I should probably see an doctor in the states first before I make a move like this. After 3+ years I went to see one, I described my symptoms he seemed puzzled, he ruled out low testosterone without testing just based on my physical condition. He did prescribe me Cialis though, I thought to myself, this has to work. I should add there was this girl I was seeing, I had already messed up not being able to get it up with her once. She didn't understand (she was very attractive), it made her feel insecure which made me feel worse. Armed with the Cialis I thought I'll try again and even if I can't reach orgasm with her, I'll at least try to make her happy. It didn't work *fuck* this was the height of my depression, I started thinking how was life worth living if I could have children find a partner and make here happy etc. The girl in question stopped talking to me, she found another guy, it hurt bad.
At this point I started seeing a therapist, I explained what was going on with me, he didn't have a solution but it was good to admit this to someone else real. The biggest change he did for me was to get me to tell my brother. I had kept this to myself for nearly 4 years, no one else knew. I swallowed my pride and told my brother turns out he had been experiencing something similar although not to the level I was at. He mentioned to me that he had read something about Porn Induced Erectile dysfunction. I was puzzled what was that? He linked me to this website yourbrainonporn. I went there and started reading the stories, this was a huge turning point for me. Those stories were me and better still it seemed like some of these people had managed to fix themselves. I was resolved, at my worst I was jacking off daily, I went cold turkey armed with the belief and evidence that I could be fixed it and decided to follow the 90 day "reboot" period plan.
I slipped up after 2 weeks, this would be hard I thought. I went through a spiral of attempts and slip ups never going past my original 2 week attempt. At the turn of the year I made the decision to start working out and have that coincide with my reboot. The first two weeks were difficult but I had my brother now, he kept an eye on me and held me accountable. I made it. After 3 weeks or so, my dick felt dead. I felt no urges for sex whatsoever, but apparently this was normal. This was the "flatline" after about 2 months in my libido skyrocketed my "standards" for potential partners dropped. But I still stuck with it, watching porn would have been an easy escape but I didn't. After awhile I actively stopped keeping count. I started being noticed by more women. It felt great. I joined a couple of dating sites, met a girl, had sex. I didn't orgasm, but I didn't lose my erection either. That for me was huge progress.
That relationship kinda faded out but the next one I met this woman, nice funny interesting, we talked a lot and when we finally had sex, we did it without a condom and that was the first time I had my first orgasm from sex. I nearly cried after but I couldn't for obvious reasons it'd creep her out. I told my brother and he was so happy for me my journey was finally getting there.
This is just a small portion of my story, I've slipped up and looked at porn multiple times since my PIV orgasm but it doesn't set me back as much as well before, I'm more confident with approaching women and much much happier. At my worst I couldn't maintain an erection while standing up watching porn and I most definitely couldn't achieve an erection while masturbating without it standing or sitting. Those days are over now. I still jack off maybe every two weeks or so (sometimes with porn sometimes without it), but I'm actually doing another "reboot" to coincide with a workout program I am doing, mostly to prove to myself that I could drop masturbation completely if I wanted to. One thing I did notice was that my tastes in porn warped and became increasingly more fetish oriented and violent as time progressed, vanilla didn't do it for me. I'm glad I didn't get to the point where I started watching gay porn or transsexual point. I don't think my mind would've been able to reason that at all when I knew I was clearly straight. This doesn't also affect everyone the same, I think it might have something to do with how much porn you watch during your formative years in puberty, it's hard to get out of it after that. Kinda like how jacking off with the right hand feels weird compared to left if you watch porn online. Well that's my story, I can have sex now, Yay!
Look, I'm happy for the movement and all, but these stats are not the norm for everyone...Sure porn is bad for some people but it's perfectly fine for others, and Masturbation is healthy as well. Denying a primal basic instinct/urge is probably as bad for you as doing it in excess.
Just like with everything else in life, moderation is the key.
Don't just toss out "porn makes you depressed" because it's simply not a fact, at least not for everyone.
DoktorEvil
Banned
The work is appreciated and sorely needed.
I've tried to quit cold turkey and I can only last for 2 weeks at best, 3 days at the worst.
I have suffered some sexual dysfunction as a result of porn and trying to ween your body off of it is a daunting task. There are so many triggers that change your mental wiring, often to the point of requiring it to fall asleep(I had a few sleepless nights).
King Cobra
Banned
I think this has happened to me but instead of porn it's because of how often I had sex when I was younger. Just today I was actually thinking about sex and I physically cringed at the thought of it. It really made me feel bleh.
Not at all. I commented on this a few posts after the one you quoted. I'm just saying that young men suffering from ED aren't exactly less confused and scared by suddenly having gay or bisexual fantasies (or any other fantasy that's far removed from their usual desires) even though they're not romantically interested in men. It's an interesting symptom of porn addiction, but could also be that you're just bisexual, I guess. For most guys it's a result of constantly pushing the barrier of arousal over a long period of time.
It doesn't really have anything to do with sex, porn or sexuality, just your dopamine-numbed and damaged brain resorting to cravings that are way out of your ordinary preferences. I've also read stories of gay men resorting to straight hardcore porn, young men craving scat or beastiality. Basically anything that's far removed from your normal preferences. I guess you could relate it to any type of addiction where your tolerance increases over time.
This is very true. This stuff affects some people, other's it doesn't. The real panic is not knowing what is causing the issue. That is what affected me for years.
DoktorEvil
Banned
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/inside-porn-addiction/201111/can-pornography-trigger-depression
You can't deny that there is some causal relationship there.
But I suppose you didn't post here for a debate.
CitizenCope
Member
You shared all that so I want to say I read it and I'm glad things are better for you.
theusedversion
Member
He's not saying porn in general. He's referring to porn addiction. At least that's the way I understood it.
Thank you so much for sharing this. I relate so much to your story, man. I really hope I can fix this myself. Day 4 going strong!
Naked Snake
Member
But I have an inflammed and enlarged prostate and frequent ejaculation is recommended... although masturbation is not as good as sex for prostate health 
And doctor told me the same thing, that my prostate problem is caused by my sexless life... But sex is too much work! So in the mean time I will continue guiltless fapping damn it!
WebMD said:
And doctor told me the same thing, that my prostate problem is caused by my sexless life... But sex is too much work! So in the mean time I will continue guiltless fapping damn it!
Masturbation is healthy. The problem here is the visual stimulation you get from porn that desensitizes your dopamine receptors. The same goes for masturbating to porn-like fantasies. Thinking about normal sex with your SO is healthy and safe. Thinking about double fisting her while wearing a flaming strap-on and a Drake mask is probably going to mess you up in the long run.
Naked Snake
Member
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umop_3pisdn
Member
I think his argument is that sex isn't purely visual or visceral stimulation for a lot of people, it often involves more registers of our humanity (emotions, pursuit of meaning, whatever), and porn and most sexual fantasies don't really involve that. And in a way it would be kind of weird if they did, to be honest, at least it would be weird for me even though I feel some sympathy with those ideas.
But a contradiction happens if our habits in consuming porn are out of step with our values or what we want our sexuality to be. If a person is fine with their sexuality involving that kind of gratification, then there really isn't a problem, but if they have different ideas or expectations or want sex to have more significance in their life or whatever, then it may present some problems in the long run if they're not moderate. This seems pretty fair to me, and doesn't seem like a very controversial statement imo.
burntchomsky
Member
Technically you can deny it, though, because all that has been established (and the author of the article is careful to point it out) is the correlative connection, not the causal one. I also don't think it is so unlikely that at least initially, people more prone to depression are more likely to view porn. I mean, this is just a guess, but I'd wager that people prone to depression are more likely to engage in any addictive behavior.
However, I don't disagree with you overall-- I think it likely that porn does cause depression, and that the relationship between depression and porn is probably messy / organic / self-reinforcing. Maybe the person prone to depression seeks out the porn initially for the thrill of it, but over time, the addiction ends up furthering his/her depression.
This is an issue? I'm a fairly regular consumer of said material, and I've never had issues. I suppose if you're watching four-way interracial fisting gangbangs for hours on end that you might become desensitized, but I just can't imagine there's a huge crowd of people who can't get it up because they hit up one of the tube sites a few times a week.
Oh, and /r/nofap over on reddit is like a creepy cult of people afraid to touch their peepees. I wouldn't go there even if I did have a dysfunction problem.
Oh, and /r/nofap over on reddit is like a creepy cult of people afraid to touch their peepees. I wouldn't go there even if I did have a dysfunction problem.
You'd be surprised.
DoktorEvil
Banned
So would I, but I doubt people(especially young men) will be honest and frank about overconsumption of porn (and the industry in general)being somewhat self-destructive.
Even if a study wasn't not conducted, consider the staggering amount of porn that is floating around the confines of the Internet, a good chunk of it freely available to consume without cost. It's more or less an open license for guys and gals to get their jollies off whenever & wherever.
Not to forget the aversion for people to actually pay for their porn(god forbid) so that the sex workers can make a livable wage.
There's a whole bunch of problem tied to porn being what it is & how people view it, view masturbation, and view sex.
Or maybe because they don't have a job, don't have goals, are bored, don't go out, or people who take pornography questionnaires on the internet are depressed, etc.
Please think a little before applying correlation to nearly every human because it helped you. Awareness isn't bad but anyone doing /nofap/ always seems to come across like they found Jesus.
To everyone who did have their lives affected by it and found help, great!
Valkerionseven
Member
yup
Bubbavelli
Banned
I wish I could complain about delayed ejaculation
amirite gaf?
amirite gaf?
IISANDERII
Member
Good for you, good read!
So do you think it's caused by watching too much porn in your younger years?
mickcenary
Member
Hmm. Very interesting. I think I "suffer" from this to an extent.
I'd classify myself as having a pretty modest sex drive, but a high porn-masturbation drive. Sex with my SO is completely mediocre, i.e. it feels decent for about a minute, then I gradually get number, softer, etc. I'd also say that my mental desire for sex itself is pretty low; desire for sexual activity is most definitely there, but the actual act of intercourse? Resounding 'eh'.
On the other hand (lol), with myself, everything is gravy.
Of course, I've developed more "singular" tastes throughout the years - ones that I'd dare not broach with my SO and nor do I want to (it mentally does not work in the slightest) - so I think that has a lot, if not everything to do with it.
I'm reading a few comments regarding porn abstinence yielding results, but... Do I even want to do that? Probably not.
Male brain, yo. Crazy stuff.
Man. 90% of what you've written has happened to me. The beautiful (not a brag; genuinely thought she was, which made it all the more worse/confusing) girl who became insecure, the progressively weirder porn, the thought that ejaculation during intercourse is fanciful at best, resigning oneself to not having children in the traditional way - all of it.
I actually gave Cialis a go and it worked, but I didn't get to try it out "properly". Basically, mid-business, she said she didn't feel comfortable doing this and that there was someone else... So, yeah. That was and still is pretty harrowing for me.
I think I at least need to talk to a professional about it like you did. I feel like I've already resigned myself to being this way; and in a way, I'm at peace with that. I like that I have my tastes. I don't consider them unhealthy at all. It's simply the way I'm wired.
What does get me down, though, is the expectations of the opposite sex in a relationship and my resultant obliteration of sexual confidence. I'd be very surprised if my SO didn't have worries constantly in the back of her mind concerning our sexual chemistry and the infrequency of it all.
I'd classify myself as having a pretty modest sex drive, but a high porn-masturbation drive. Sex with my SO is completely mediocre, i.e. it feels decent for about a minute, then I gradually get number, softer, etc. I'd also say that my mental desire for sex itself is pretty low; desire for sexual activity is most definitely there, but the actual act of intercourse? Resounding 'eh'.
On the other hand (lol), with myself, everything is gravy.
Of course, I've developed more "singular" tastes throughout the years - ones that I'd dare not broach with my SO and nor do I want to (it mentally does not work in the slightest) - so I think that has a lot, if not everything to do with it.
I'm reading a few comments regarding porn abstinence yielding results, but... Do I even want to do that? Probably not.
Male brain, yo. Crazy stuff.
Man. 90% of what you've written has happened to me. The beautiful (not a brag; genuinely thought she was, which made it all the more worse/confusing) girl who became insecure, the progressively weirder porn, the thought that ejaculation during intercourse is fanciful at best, resigning oneself to not having children in the traditional way - all of it.
I actually gave Cialis a go and it worked, but I didn't get to try it out "properly". Basically, mid-business, she said she didn't feel comfortable doing this and that there was someone else... So, yeah. That was and still is pretty harrowing for me.
I think I at least need to talk to a professional about it like you did. I feel like I've already resigned myself to being this way; and in a way, I'm at peace with that. I like that I have my tastes. I don't consider them unhealthy at all. It's simply the way I'm wired.
What does get me down, though, is the expectations of the opposite sex in a relationship and my resultant obliteration of sexual confidence. I'd be very surprised if my SO didn't have worries constantly in the back of her mind concerning our sexual chemistry and the infrequency of it all.
Alcotholic
Banned
I'm fairly certain I used to have this issue. When I first started dating my girlfriend and things got a little sexual, I had difficulty getting off. After some time and abstaining from porn, I'm able to enjoy sex and masturbation much more. I can fully get off without looking at porn and just through imagination.
My Girlfriend is much happier and so am I. Though I don't condemn porn- I still enjoyed it when I watched it.
My Girlfriend is much happier and so am I. Though I don't condemn porn- I still enjoyed it when I watched it.
Naked Snake
Member
I've been plagued by it for most of my sexual life. It was great when I had a partner and we didn't use condoms, but all the times I've been single and had to use condoms (which is the vast majority of years) I can probably count the number of times I came during penetration on one hand, and it's always an amazing event for me as it's my favorite form of sex, sucks that it happens so rarely anymore. I never reached orgasm from a blowjob (even though I could be highly enjoying it and it goes on for hours). And only happened two times from a handjob.
Most of the time I have to finish myself off with my hand, and even that can take a long time when I'm with someone. With good porn I can finish in no time.
I'm not sure it's caused by porn though, I think it might have more to do with general anxiety, and for some reason needing to be in control of the motion to reach orgasm (i.e. thrusting or jerking off).
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