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[Dabanton]

I have my Portal 2 (PS3) preorder paid in full, can't wait.

One question though, when I link my PSN account to Steam I'll unlock the PC version. Can I then link my other PSN account to another friends Steam account and unlock it for him as well?

Edit: My reading FTL, I see others with similar thoughts. *hugs cheap people*

Why doesn't your friend actually go out and purchase the game?

 

[StuBurns]

i'm hoping (though not expecting) that the free Portal 2 on PC happens with a one use code, which is ONLY for Portal 2 on PC.

that way the game can be sold and played online by someone else (without having issues with the code already being used), and it would also mean that any secondary accounts on the PS3 could play online too.

If it was like that the 360 version should include a PC version too. It has to be related to the PS3 game itself.

 

[Stallion Free]

i'm hoping (though not expecting) that the free Portal 2 on PC happens with a one use code, which is ONLY for Portal 2 on PC.

that way the game can be sold and played online by someone else (without having issues with the code already being used), and it would also mean that any secondary accounts on the PS3 could play online too.

i'm not expecting that because that isn't how steam games work on PC, where there is only one account attached when you buy a game, and anyone else wanting to play that game with their own account on that PC needs to own it too.

If it worked that way, people would buy the game day 1, take the Steam a sell it for ~5$ less than what they paid for it. Hopefully you see the issue here.

 

[crimsonheadGCN]

Regarding local coop mode on PC, maybe Valve will make it easier to enable it for stuff like L4D 1 & 2 and Portal 2 once Big Picture Mode is ready. It would probably be the best way to promote the new feature for Steam and all they would have to do is add an option in the game menu.

 

[badcrumble]

If it worked that way, people would buy the game day 1, take the Steam a sell it for ~5$ less than what they paid for it. Hopefully you see the issue here.

I think there are probably several people in this thread who'll be genuinely disappointed if they can't do that (and who may even consider it unfair and anti-consumer, somehow).

 

[SpaceDrake]

I can think of at least one game (series) where the "purchase a Steam or PSN copy of a game and the game is unlocked on the other service" concept would work beautifully. Dunno if it could actually happen, though.

 

[Achamian]

If it worked that way, people would buy the game day 1, take the Steam a sell it for ~5$ less than what they paid for it. Hopefully you see the issue here.

I see no issue here.

 

[Stallion Free]

I think there are probably several people in this thread who'll be genuinely disappointed if they can't do that (and who may even consider it unfair and anti-consumer, somehow).

I'm hoping so because I want to witness the anger/rage when they realize it.

 

[Achamian]

There may yet be hope.........

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-10-valve-insists-all-portal-2s-are-the-same

Faliszek said Valve pushed for the extra features because, like you, they're gamers.

"That kind of stuff comes from us because we like to play games," he said. "We buy games. We do all the stuff other gamers do. We look at that stuff and go, this kinda sucks. I don't want to buy a game five times. We look at it that way."

Oh and to all you pro valve people

Customers in wanting more for their money shocker!

 

[badcrumble]

I'm hoping so because I want to witness the anger/rage when they realize it.

Personally I'm hoping there are a few people who don't even own PS3s and thought there'd just be a voucher code inside the game's case.

all you pro valve people

ahahahaha

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

There may yet be hope.........

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-10-valve-insists-all-portal-2s-are-the-same

Faliszek said Valve pushed for the extra features because, like you, they're gamers.

"That kind of stuff comes from us because we like to play games," he said. "We buy games. We do all the stuff other gamers do. We look at that stuff and go, this kinda sucks. I don't want to buy a game five times. We look at it that way."

Oh and to all you pro valve people

Customers in wanting more for their money shocker!

His quote is about buying a game multiple times for multiple platforms. Not "I wish me and my friends didn't have to each buy our own copy of a game to play together. In fact, why isn't everything free for me? I'm a fucking child."

You're already getting more for your money. You can play this game you bought once on 3 different platforms. The way you behave in return will determine Valve's future consumer-friendly actions. Don't fuck it up by being an asshole and chalking it up to some twisted form of consumer advocacy.

Oh, and here's what Chet or Eric said like 1 second before the stuff you posted. "You also get the Steam copy. It's not a copy we just give away. It's attached to your PSN and Steam account. But yeah, there are some cool things you can do there."

 

[Stallion Free]

There may yet be hope.........

"That kind of stuff comes from us because we like to play games," he said. "We buy games. We do all the stuff other gamers do. We look at that stuff and go, this kinda sucks. I don't want to buy a game five times. We look at it that way."

That means nothing for your ridiculous hope.

 

[JaseC]

I love how most of the comments in reply to the article boil down to, "I know it's not Valve's fault for the situation the 360 version is in, but damn it, Valve are liars and it's all their fault!"

 

[denomes]

I'm hoping so because I want to witness the anger/rage when they realize it.

Agreed. It's kind of sad how this news was largely interpreted as "so I can just sell the PS3 version".

Just buy it on Steam if that's the version you want, why even bother with unconfirmed trade-in shenanigans.

 

[wenis]

i'm going to drink everyones anger and hate when they realize valve isn't going to "allow" you to cheat their awesome pc to ps3 system.

I'll drink it like a goddamn cool glass of lemonade. idiots.

 

[Achamian]

Seriously i dont see how it's out of order to expect to buy a game which comes as advertised with a digital pc copy (not an extra copy? whatever. it clearly is) of said game and want to play co-op between my ps3 and pc, so i can co op with anyone else but not on my own network unless i give valve more money. Ridiculous much.

Its like saying "oh yeah you have this digital copy of a movie you bought on blu ray but dont try and watch the digi copy on your own pc at the same time as watching the blu ray"

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

Seriously i dont see how it's out of order to expect to buy a game which comes as advertised with a digital pc copy (not an extra copy? whatever. it clearly is) of said game and want to play co-op between my ps3 and pc, so i can co op with anyone else but not on my own network unless i give valve more money. Ridiculous much.

Its like saying "oh yeah you have this digital copy of a movie you bought on blu ray but dont try and watch the digi copy on your own pc at the same time as watching the blu ray"

No, it's like getting the Mac version and PC version when you buy a Valve game. You can't play them at the same time, but you can play them on whichever platform you feel like, at any time. That's what they're offering. Deal with it.

 

[Jhriad]

Sold. I'm not even one of the big fans of the original but I'll buy that. Heck yeah.

 

[Yeef]

I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but hopefully the PS3 will have a LAN game option. Then you'd be able to do co-op with the PC and Mac with only one copy of the game, but only if you're on the same network. Just like the old 'spawn' versions of StarCraft.

 

[Atomski]

I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but hopefully the PS3 will have a LAN game option. Then you'd be able to do co-op with the PC and Mac with only one copy of the game, but only if you're on the same network. Just like the old 'spawn' versions of StarCraft.

They probably taken lan out for this very reason . Not many games even have lan support anymore :/. Specially on consoles.

 

[chaostrophy]

No, it's like getting the Mac version and PC version when you buy a Valve game. You can't play them at the same time, but you can play them on whichever platform you feel like, at any time. That's what they're offering. Deal with it.

I think a fair compromise would be allowing simultaneous play on two devices until they get splitscreen working, after that they can restrict it to one.

 

[Yeef]

They probably taken lan out for this very reason . Not many games even have lan support anymore :/. Specially on consoles.

The Steam server browser supports LAN games as do all of the Valve Source games. Since Portal 2 on PS3 will use Steamworks there's a good chance it will support LAN games as well. The unlikely thing is allowing you to use the same Steam account on two different systems for a LAN game. It'd be nice if that were the case though.

 

[plagiarize]

If it was like that the 360 version should include a PC version too. It has to be related to the PS3 game itself.

i thought i'd better explained what i meant, but i absolutely hadn't. hah.

there must be serial that we input on the PS3 when we link our steam accounts right? i mean we all agree that there must be such a thing.

i was just saying i hope (though expect otherwise) that that serial is just for your free Portal 2, so people borrowing/other users on my PS3/second hand purchases can still play the game online, and still link to their steam account, but NOT get the free copy of Portal 2 on PC.

it was billed as an incentive for linking your PC steam account to your PS3 steam account correct? that's why it wouldn't be in the 360 version cause you can't link your account on the 360 version.

maybe that incentive is there to make up for the fact that Portal 2 can only be linked to a single steam account. this is what i expect to be true, and my purchase of the PS3 version presumes this as fact.

here's an interesting question though... what happens if a friend comes over who owns Portal 2 on PC?

will THEY be able to play the PS3 version online using their steam credentials?

interesting thought right?

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Oh and to all you pro valve people

Customers in wanting more for their money shocker!

Everyone buying the PS3 version of the game is already getting "more" than any other game has ever offered in a situation like this.

When has a game ever done something like this before? It's entirely unheard of and I can't figure out why people think Valve owes them more or something. Yes, it would be godlike if Valve allowed you to buy a game once and allow two people to basically own their own copies, instead of buying two, but obviously that's not very good business sense.

 

[StuBurns]

i thought i'd better explained what i meant, but i absolutely hadn't. hah.

there must be serial that we input on the PS3 when we link our steam accounts right? i mean we all agree that there must be such a thing.

i was just saying i hope (though expect otherwise) that that serial is just for your free Portal 2, so people borrowing/other users on my PS3/second hand purchases can still play the game online, and still link to their steam account, but NOT get the free copy of Portal 2 on PC.

it was billed as an incentive for linking your PC steam account to your PS3 steam account correct? that's why it wouldn't be in the 360 version cause you can't link your account on the 360 version.

maybe that incentive is there to make up for the fact that Portal 2 can only be linked to a single steam account.

here's an interesting question though... what happens if a friend comes over who owns Portal 2 on PC?

will THEY be able to play the PS3 version online using their steam credentials?

interesting thought right?

This is how I think it'll work.

In the box there is a card, you use it to activate the online for the game, you can only do this once. Then in the game you can log into Steam while connected and you can link Steam with PSN and activate a free PC version.

They can't require a Steam account for online, but they probably can't let used versions work online for free either.

You raise an interesting issue with the PS3 version for people who have it on PC. I'm guessing even if you buy it used you can use Steam on the PS3, you just don't get a copy of the game or play online.

 

[AndyD]

This is how I think it'll work.

In the box there is a card, you use it to activate the online for the game, you can only do this once. Then in the game you can log into Steam while connected and you can link Steam with PSN and activate a free PC version.

They can't require a Steam account for online, but they probably can't let used versions work online for free either.

You raise an interesting issue with the PS3 version for people who have it on PC. I'm guessing even if you buy it used you can use Steam on the PS3, you just don't get a copy of the game or play online.

I think they can. Include a code card to be used to get the freebie PC version on Steam. But nothing needed to play.

Although I guess they can do the $10 pass move. And take your approach. Card in box for steam login.

 

[StuBurns]

I think they can. Include a code card to be used to get the freebie PC version on Steam.

Although I guess they can do the $10 pass move.

Well yeah they could, but they need to devalue a used copy so less people buy it, take the redemption code and trade it back in.

 

[shintoki]

They can't require a Steam account for online, but they probably can't let used versions work online for free either.

Doesn't MGO force you to create a Konami ID?

 

[StuBurns]

Doesn't MGO force you to create a Konami ID?

Yeah, I didn't mean literally, they could force you to make a Steam account, I just meant I doubt they would.

 

[androvsky]

i thought i'd better explained what i meant, but i absolutely hadn't. hah.

there must be serial that we input on the PS3 when we link our steam accounts right? i mean we all agree that there must be such a thing.

i was just saying i hope (though expect otherwise) that that serial is just for your free Portal 2, so people borrowing/other users on my PS3/second hand purchases can still play the game online, and still link to their steam account, but NOT get the free copy of Portal 2 on PC.

it was billed as an incentive for linking your PC steam account to your PS3 steam account correct? that's why it wouldn't be in the 360 version cause you can't link your account on the 360 version.

That's actually kinda what I'm expecting. I'm assuming PSN co-op works normally (well, what used to be normal before the EA online pass stuff). Then, if you want cross-platform co-op, you have to link to a Steam account within the game (also probably works with used copies). Then, if you want the free PC copy, you have to link to a Steam account within the game AND input a one-time code that comes with new copies of the PS3 version.

edit:

Well yeah they could, but they need to devalue a used copy so less people buy it, take the redemption code and trade it back in.

Good point, forget what I said about the EA pass.


I don't have any guess as to whether or not the PSN-Steam link is strong enough to kick one account off if another signs on (I'm hoping not). I'd like to think my wife could play Recettear on my Steam account while I'm playing Demon's Souls.

here's an interesting question though... what happens if a friend comes over who owns Portal 2 on PC?

will THEY be able to play the PS3 version online using their steam credentials?

interesting thought right?

They'd need a PSN account too, someone from Valve mentioned that not only does the PSN account link to Steam, but the Steam account links to PSN (a potentially very interesting minor distinction).

 

[plagiarize]

Well yeah they could, but they need to devalue a used copy so less people buy it, take the redemption code and trade it back in.

that's going to be issue whatever happens though, because once you own Portal 2 in your pc steam account, it stays in your pc steam account, right? are they going to require occasional usage on the PS3 to keep it in your PC steam account or what?

whether the traded in version is only good for single player or just not good for the free PC version, it's going to happen for as long as Portal 2 can be sold for more than ten dollars.

 

[PatzCU]

I can't believe there are ANY complaints about Valve offering versions on multiple platforms for the price of one. I've had to buy BC2 twice, once for xbox and again for PC, and I would have loved to have both with one purchase of course.

Everyone complaining about this should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[plagiarize]

oh hey. uhm. double posting i guess.

wow, this is awkward.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

I think it's fair enough that Valve do everything to prevent people from selling it on because fuck those people for abusing this. I have no real issue with games being sold/bought second hand but when Valve are doing something like this you shouldn't take the piss and try and profit from that.

I also understand why it's fair enough for Valve to want you to buy two copies to play co-op, although personally I think there's more of an argument to made for that not being the case if they had a way of ensuring that only one console/steam account could play that copy of the game.

It would be nice to have a bit of a clarification at this point, really. I'm getting it day 1 either way, but it would be nice for them to say you definitely can't co-op on the same copy so I can just click that pre-order on Steam.

 

[StuBurns]

that's going to be issue whatever happens though, because once you own Portal 2 in your pc steam account, it stays in your pc steam account, right? are they going to require occasional usage on the PS3 to keep it in your PC steam account or what?

whether the traded in version is only good for single player or just not good for the free PC version, it's going to happen for as long as Portal 2 can be sold for more than ten dollars.

It's true, a single player only version of Portal 2 will still have a used value, but it's going to be lower I think, anything to help avoid trade-ins they should be considering I imagine.

Then again, they might be pro-used sales for it's ability to expand the audience for whatever they do next, who knows.

 

[androvsky]

It's true, a single player only version of Portal 2 will still have a used value, but it's going to be lower I think, anything to help avoid trade-ins they should be considering I imagine.

Then again, they might be pro-used sales for it's ability to expand the audience for whatever they do next, who knows.

Also, if a bunch of people do abuse it, it'll automatically decrease the trade-in value rather quickly as Gamestop and the like pay less and less for each used copy.

 

[StuBurns]

Also, if a bunch of people do abuse it, it'll automatically decrease the trade-in value rather quickly as Gamestop and the like pay less and less for each used copy.

Indeed, it's run like a stock market, the more they have they less they buy for, and the less they're worth used the less they start with in terms of buying prices. So if they're worth less because of no co-op (which is half the game) they'll be buying for less anyway.

This is anecdotal but now Game (the biggest UK game store) allow you to preorder used games so you can buy them like a week after launch a little cheaper, and they are not allowing preorders for used copies of Portal 2.

 

[(._.)]

Have my PC copy pre-order under my favorites on Steam. Really only the way to go if you actually only plan to play the PC version.

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

I think a fair compromise would be allowing simultaneous play on two devices until they get splitscreen working, after that they can restrict it to one.

This assumes that we are for some reason entitled to splitscreen functionality, which of course we are not. Besides, people would flip their shit if they added a restriction after purchase, and rightfully so. Right now, you know what you're getting for your money and you can choose whether or not to buy in.

Secondly, Valve has already "compromised" by offering a game that will allow you to play on multiple platforms without double dipping. They don't need to go any further.

You can't just make extreme demands and expect the other party to "compromise" with a solution that's wildly in your favor.

 

[theBishop]

The big thing I DONT want is Steam on PS3 logging you out of the PC client. But it might be necessary since the PS3 game supports cloud saving and god knows what else. If you can be playing both versions simultaneously, which save gets priority in the cloud?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I'm gonna pre-order the PS3 version off Amazon today, but I just want to check before I do: You can play split-screen co-op on the PS3, right?

 

[StuBurns]

The big thing I DONT want is Steam on PS3 logging you out of the PC client. But it might be necessary since the PS3 game supports cloud saving and god knows what else. If you can be playing both versions simultaneously, which save gets priority in the cloud?

PS3 cloud saves don't work with the PC version, no worries.

 

[DeepFriedMuppet]

Was totally worried my MacBook Pro wouldn't be able to run it properly. I'm totally buying the PS3 version and trying both.

 

[MNC]

There may yet be hope.........

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-10-valve-insists-all-portal-2s-are-the-same

Faliszek said Valve pushed for the extra features because, like you, they're gamers.

"That kind of stuff comes from us because we like to play games," he said. "We buy games. We do all the stuff other gamers do. We look at that stuff and go, this kinda sucks. I don't want to buy a game five times. We look at it that way."

Oh and to all you pro valve people

Customers in wanting more for their money shocker!

I am shaking my head.

Anyway, this DOES confirm Steam cloud saves! That's fucking brilliant!

We should make a list of features you're getting.

• Regular updates that go live at the same time on average for PC/Mac/PS3
• Cross platform play between PC/Mac/PS3
• Steam cloud save syncing. I don't know if this is PS3 - PC or just PS3 - PS3 but I assume both since it syncs to steam.
• Purchasing the PS3 version gives you the ability to download your game on Steam as well by tying your PSN account to your Steam account.
• Split-screen co-op on PS3. devconsole abusing for PC/Mac most likely
• Downloadable custom maps for PC/Mac/PS3

I'll just keep updating this list and post it whenever I can.

 

[StevePharma]

I am shaking my head.

Anyway, this DOES confirm Steam cloud saves! That's fucking brilliant!

We should make a list of features you're getting.

• Regular updates that go live at the same time on average for PC/Mac/PS3
• Cross platform play between PC/Mac/PS3
• Steam cloud save syncing. I don't know if this is PS3 - PC or just PS3 - PS3 but I assume both since it syncs to steam.
• Purchasing the PS3 version gives you the ability to download your game on Steam as well by tying your PSN account to your Steam account.
• Split-screen co-op on PS3. devconsole abusing for PC/Mac most likely
• Downloadable custom maps for PC/Mac/PS3

I'll just keep updating this list and post it whenever I can.

but but but as a trophy whore, if this PC-PS3 cloud saving is real, will I earn my trophies if I play on PC?

Or even better/worse, are Steam achievements also a part of this?

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU my OCD......

 

[Palette Swap]

Seriously i dont see how it's out of order to expect to buy a game which comes as advertised with a digital pc copy (not an extra copy? whatever. it clearly is) of said game and want to play co-op between my ps3 and pc, so i can co op with anyone else but not on my own network unless i give valve more money. Ridiculous much.

Its like saying "oh yeah you have this digital copy of a movie you bought on blu ray but dont try and watch the digi copy on your own pc at the same time as watching the blu ray"

As has been said several times, what you're expecting is equivalent to a 2 pack (i.e. 2 licenses that can be used on 2 accounts).
What you're getting is an extension of Steamplay: 1 license on 1 account, regardless of the hardware it runs on.

If that's such a shitty deal, nobody's forcing you to buy the game. That sense of entitlement would start making sense if anyone at all in the industry offered several licenses across various platforms when you bought a game.

That being said, I sure hope there's same screen coop on the PC version too.

 

[StealthGoblin]

I am shaking my head.

Anyway, this DOES confirm Steam cloud saves! That's fucking brilliant!

We should make a list of features you're getting.

• Regular updates that go live at the same time on average for PC/Mac/PS3
• Cross platform play between PC/Mac/PS3
• Steam cloud save syncing. I don't know if this is PS3 - PC or just PS3 - PS3 but I assume both since it syncs to steam.
• Purchasing the PS3 version gives you the ability to download your game on Steam as well by tying your PSN account to your Steam account.
• Split-screen co-op on PS3. devconsole abusing for PC/Mac most likely
• Downloadable custom maps for PC/Mac/PS3

I'll just keep updating this list and post it whenever I can.

I actually consider that list of features better than any exclusive DLC or service that has came before it. Knowing how much Valve support their games and their community, all of that content/feature list will come in very useful to the PS3 gamer/PC/Mac gamer.

People really shouldn't look a gifthorse in the mouth, this is excellent.

 

[Sibylus]

Seriously i dont see how it's out of order to expect to buy a game which comes as advertised with a digital pc copy (not an extra copy? whatever. it clearly is) of said game and want to play co-op between my ps3 and pc, so i can co op with anyone else but not on my own network unless i give valve more money. Ridiculous much.

Its like saying "oh yeah you have this digital copy of a movie you bought on blu ray but dont try and watch the digi copy on your own pc at the same time as watching the blu ray"

It's out of order because you're expecting functionality that Steamplay doesn't and hasn't offered... ever. From the beginning the philosophy of the system was not "multiple copies of the same game", it was "one copy of the game on whatever system you want". You can run your copy of TF2 on a PC and a Mac, but not simultaneously, you can't just log in to multiple machines at the same time and download and play.

When Portal 2 releases and you're limited to your one copy, I really hope you don't stroll into the Portal 2 OT and repeat these same sorts of complaints. Valve has made the limits of the Steamplay system well known for a very long time. Expect local coop and cross-platform coop with users on unique Steam accounts, but don't get your hopes up about doing cross-platform coop with only one copy of the game for yourself and your partner.

 

[McLovin]

Crossplay huh... so... ps3 is getting KB/mouse support right?

 

[Varth]

Downloadable custom maps for PC/Mac/PS3

Did they ever clarify how this works on PS3? Is it a tool you download on PC and then submit the maps to them for "cooking" like in UT3?