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Presidential Debate #2 |Washington University| Grab me right in the Ken Bone

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Bernie was a terrible, terrible candidate. This country needed a strong, moderate republican candidate to counter-balance the tea party hate group that has taken over one of 2 political parties that mean anything. While most find glee in the destruction of the Republican party what we needed were two candidates that can move discussions forward. Do you honestly feel the discourse would be any different if Bernie was the nominee? Don't blame Hilary for the state of political affairs that we all witnessed last night..
Merits repeating. I can understand the schadenfreude, but what's happening to the Republican party benefits no-one in the end. And all the loling and Banderas.gif nonsense is only going to eventually open a festering wound in the Dems own flanks, sure as night follows day. In any realm, individually and in groups, we should wish for strong opposition that challenges us to belt the fuck up. Weakness and ruin on the other side is only ever coming your way.
 

BigDug13

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Merits repeating. I can understand the schadenfreude, but what's happening to the Republican party benefits no-one in the end. And all the loling and Banderas.gif nonsense is only going to eventually open a festering wound in the Dems own flanks, sure as night follows day. In any realm, individually and in groups, we should wish for strong opposition that challenges us to belt the fuck up. Weakness and ruin on the other side is only ever coming your way.

This sounds a lot like the "we need crony capitalism where we prop up a failing company because not having competition would be worse" argument.
 
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Lmao
 

HotHamBoy

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Behold, the Both Sides Brigade of GAF!

Yesterday many of us were amazed that so many people could watch this event and conclude Trump won or that it was even a draw given that one candidate gave substantive answers and addressed, in detail, policy positions and the questions posed to her by the town hall undecideds while her opponent literally rambled incoherently throughout the night, if less so than in the last debate. These posts are a reminder that regardless of how Clinton exhibits her experience and her willingness to tackle topics that require nuance and a depth of knowledge there will always be people who caricaturize her and her stances.

These are people who, I suspect, don't really care about the issues. And if I am to be honest, I also suspect many of these people aren't really on the fence, but embarrassed right wingers who have internally acknowledged the defense of Trump is a lost cause on GAF and have segued onto the safer and more disingenuous tactic of bringing HRC down to his level.

Example:



Here is what Clinton actually said:



If you can watch this and then run to GAF with a summary that is simply "I want things", it is clear that marriage equality, Roe v Wade, Citizens United and filling the vacancy are not issues that are of concern to you. In the first post I quoted, Kor said HRC's responses were just "nonsense that no one really gives a shit about." But these "things" matter a great deal to a great many people and the BSers are giving themselves away by how easily they dismiss such issues.

Honestly at this point I've given up being alarmed or frustrated by both sides crap. It's a position held at this stage of the election almost exclusively by the willfully ignorant or the cowardly who'd rather not publicize their support for Donald Trump.

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The only way you could see this as a draw or win for Trump is if you were either completely incapable of critical thinking or your mind was made up before the debate even happened.
 

~Kinggi~

Banned
Well today was a fairly depressing day. All this is making me feel bad and depressed. Almost everyone at work is of the opinion they are both dumbasses and equally bad. One guy got mad at me and said it was completely irresponsible to vote for either of them.
 

rjinaz

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Well today was a fairly depressing day. All this is making me feel bad and depressed. Almost everyone at work is of the opinion they are both dumbasses and equally bad. One guy got mad at me and said it was completely irresponsible to vote for either of them.

It's ok. People that don't actually care about substance or policy and would rather go on a rant about how Killary killed four people and how deleting emails makes her the evilest person to ever exist.

You can't win them all. They can't vote for a sexist pig anymore so they want to shame you in your vote. Ah well.
 
Since a few mentioned a perceived bias towards trump in my TL;DR debate notes: I am 42, and have voted Democrat in every election up to this one. I do hate both candidates but there is no way I will vote for Hillary. Even taking that into account, most of my choices in summaries were for humor more than anything, and I will likely vote either 3rd party, write in, or abstain entirely.

That one answer where Trump was like "We need more nukes than Russia" felt so out of place I laughed out loud at how insane it was. The next 4 to 8 years are going to be dark times...
42 years and yet you still know nothing
 

Cyrano

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This sounds a lot like the "we need crony capitalism where we prop up a failing company because not having competition would be worse" argument.
I think the argument is closer to, "crony capitalism exists because not having competition leads to great depressions." General assessment of business in America is that it's largely a shell of what it once was, but that's been the case since the 1920s and it is largely propped up due to capitalism's inability to fail gracefully. If the choice is between catastrophic failure and holding a system up that doesn't work, the latter will be chosen every time by any reasonable group of individuals. Where the tipping point lies is effectively what America's financial sector is continuing to ask itself post-2008 (which will be horrific for everyone except them when the fallout actually occurs).
 
Judging by what happened to Billy Bush, I don't think TV networks are willing to pony up any more Trump tapes, lest somebody in their organization (or another celebrity) falls on the knife again.

Wait, does this mean that Trumptober is coming to an early end? Damn, and I was wondering what those other tapes were...
 
Wait, does this mean that Trumptober is coming to an early end? Damn, and I was wondering what those other tapes were...


I mean he has to be talking to someone in these tapes right? I think they're going to be very careful now. The last thing a network wants is Trump spewing offensive shit while their head anchor nods in agreement or gives him a high-five. If another tape gets leaked, I bet another Billy Bush type will be sacrificed again. Not sure if networks want that.
 

Curufinwe

Member
Well today was a fairly depressing day. All this is making me feel bad and depressed. Almost everyone at work is of the opinion they are both dumbasses and equally bad. One guy got mad at me and said it was completely irresponsible to vote for either of them.

My work is like that. The way they equate a mentally unsound fascist with disgustingly racist and sexist beliefs with a pretty standard career politician makes me sick, but I just ignore them. My state is deep blue, so they don't matter.
 

mnz

Unconfirmed Member
"Our nuclear program has fallen behind and they’ve gone wild with their program. Not good. Our government should not have allowed that to happen. Russia is new in terms of nuclear. We are old, we’re tired we’re exhausted in terms of nuclear. A very bad thing."

Who wouldn't want him in power?
 

mackaveli

Member
Is there a summary of how many facts Trump / Clinton told the truth / lied about yesterday?

I saw some tweet someone posted earlier that 70%+ of what Trump said was a lie but what about Clinton?

Thanks.
 

AlphaDump

Gold Member
has this been posted yet?

Melania Trump Wears $1,100 'Pussy-Bow' Shirt to Presidential Debate After Donald's Vulgar 2005 Comments

Melania Trump was stylish in a fuchsia top paired with matching pants while supporting husband Donald Trump at the second presidential debate on Sunday, October 9.

But while she looked great, the $1,100 Gucci shirt was perhaps not quite the best fashion choice given the blouse's style: pussy bow. Just two days earlier, a 2005 video surfaced in which the Republican presidential nominee was recorded on an Access Hollywood bus bragging about groping women's genitals.
I thought that was a rather interesting choice
 

Amir0x

Banned
There are tons more like you.
It's sad to think what we missed out on. It will be a long time before somebody of Bernie's calibur runs.
Maybe we will get an actual socialist with actual accomplishments who does things like studies the issues so he doesnt draw a blank on the same fucking major policy issues in interview after interview thus being forced to pivot to his laughably broad and vague "solutions" to the 1% problem

But hey i can dream
 

Jombie

Member
Not voting for Hillary at this point is profoundly stupid and dangerous. This isn't a typical election and Trump isn't a benign candidate like Mitt Romney; he's legitimately evil and dangerous. This transcends politics and Hillary Clinton.
 

Monocle

Member
Behold, the Both Sides Brigade of GAF!

Yesterday many of us were amazed that so many people could watch this event and conclude Trump won or that it was even a draw given that one candidate gave substantive answers and addressed, in detail, policy positions and the questions posed to her by the town hall undecideds while her opponent literally rambled incoherently throughout the night, if less so than in the last debate. These posts are a reminder that regardless of how Clinton exhibits her experience and her willingness to tackle topics that require nuance and a depth of knowledge there will always be people who caricaturize her and her stances.

These are people who, I suspect, don't really care about the issues. And if I am to be honest, I also suspect many of these people aren't really on the fence, but embarrassed right wingers who have internally acknowledged the defense of Trump is a lost cause on GAF and have segued onto the safer and more disingenuous tactic of bringing HRC down to his level.

Example:



Here is what Clinton actually said:



If you can watch this and then run to GAF with a summary that is simply "I want things", it is clear that marriage equality, Roe v Wade, Citizens United and filling the vacancy are not issues that are of concern to you. In the first post I quoted, Kor said HRC's responses were just "nonsense that no one really gives a shit about." But these "things" matter a great deal to a great many people and the BSers are giving themselves away by how easily they dismiss such issues.

Honestly at this point I've given up being alarmed or frustrated by both sides crap. It's a position held at this stage of the election almost exclusively by the willfully ignorant or the cowardly who'd rather not publicize their support for Donald Trump.
Drag them!

That "both sides" idiocy has no rational or moral grounds to speak of. It's impossible to stay noncommittal without ignoring or excusing the absolutely heinous words, actions, and stated intentions of a morally bankrupt fascist.
 

WedgeX

Banned
Behold, the Both Sides Brigade of GAF!

Yesterday many of us were amazed that so many people could watch this event and conclude Trump won or that it was even a draw given that one candidate gave substantive answers and addressed, in detail, policy positions and the questions posed to her by the town hall undecideds while her opponent literally rambled incoherently throughout the night, if less so than in the last debate. These posts are a reminder that regardless of how Clinton exhibits her experience and her willingness to tackle topics that require nuance and a depth of knowledge there will always be people who caricaturize her and her stances.

These are people who, I suspect, don't really care about the issues. And if I am to be honest, I also suspect many of these people aren't really on the fence, but embarrassed right wingers who have internally acknowledged the defense of Trump is a lost cause on GAF and have segued onto the safer and more disingenuous tactic of bringing HRC down to his level.

Example:



Here is what Clinton actually said:



If you can watch this and then run to GAF with a summary that is simply "I want things", it is clear that marriage equality, Roe v Wade, Citizens United and filling the vacancy are not issues that are of concern to you. In the first post I quoted, Kor said HRC's responses were just "nonsense that no one really gives a shit about." But these "things" matter a great deal to a great many people and the BSers are giving themselves away by how easily they dismiss such issues.

Honestly at this point I've given up being alarmed or frustrated by both sides crap. It's a position held at this stage of the election almost exclusively by the willfully ignorant or the cowardly who'd rather not publicize their support for Donald Trump.

This is a good post.
 
The only way you could see this as a draw or win for Trump is if you were either completely incapable of critical thinking or your mind was made up before the debate even happened.

I think you're judging it too personally. If you were already a Trump/Clinton supporter nothing either of them were going to say or do was going to sway you. I think the general consensus among people trying to be objective is that Trump exceeded expectations while Hillary met them or fell somewhat short. Lots of people (myself included) were expecting a knockout blow, but that's not really what happened.

I don't know how fruitful the discussion is, anyway. This debate didn't really change anything. Trump is still dead in the water.
 
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