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[CadetMahoney]

Clarkson's new favourite shirt

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[ryutaro's mama]

Ice cream vans in the UK played Green Sleeves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdjYlrvVFNo

What are you referring to?

Search "Ice cream truck original song" on YT.

I would rather not link it.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

I truly live in a time where people actively search for something to be offended about.

Why spend your time doing something worthwhile instead of whining about dumb shit? Don't be silly.

 

[mlclmtckr]

First time I hear the N part. Could not tell it was racist if it wasn't by this thread. Not a native english speaker, though.

I don't think anyone (except committed racists like Jeremy Clarkson) thinks about the n-word version anymore.

 

[WaffleTaco]

My point was it would have been visible in the store where the guy who complained saw it, identifying the shirt as being licensed Walking Dead merchandise.

Though if Primark hide the tags like that other picture shows, maybe it wasn't. When I worked in a Primark competitor we left the tags on the outside of the clothes so customers knew what the brand and sizing was.

It could have been that it was hidden or the guy didn't see it. However the odds are that if someone saw it a store and was offended (and even if a tag was there), than there is likely to be even more people offended out in public where even more people would see it.

 

[B1gg_Randall]

I've never once heard that version of that rhyme, and I grew up in the openly racist deep south.

Yep!

 

[Sir Alemeth]

Good.
Racist shit like this should not be allowed and banned.

 

[plagiarize]

I can 100% believe this was unintentionally racist.

That is, however, zero reason for it to stay on shelves. It's mad that people are arguing for that. Oh, sure it wasn't meant to be racist, so it should keep being sold. What? That's ridiculous.

I definitely heard the original version of this growing up in the UK in the 80s, back in the days when golliwogs were still super common. It wasn't that long ago people.

No harm intended, Primark pulled the shirt. Good for them. People saying they shouldn't have... ???????

 

[Lucreto]

I only seen it as tiger or Nicker. (thief)

I didn't see the original until I was 13 or 14.

 

[geomon]

Never heard the racist version until I saw Pulp Fiction.

 

[Django.Mango]

...I mean seriously?

I feel like ordering one from an online retailer just out principal.

Source

That is a quality history lesson. Thanks.

 

[VenomousCoffee]

I heard the racist version used by kids when I was in grade school.

But, the shirt is implicitly racist at the most. "Explicitly racist" would be to have the racist line on the shirt.

 

[The Salt Life]

37 years on this earth, it's been "catch a tiger by his toe" since 1979 for me and my classmates growing up , never heard the racist version, my kid will learn the tiger version.

 

[Django.Mango]

edit, double post sorry

 

[What did he mean by this?]

Definitely heard it as a kid. Thats why me and my friends switched to saying the Mickey Mouse had a house song

no problem with the shirt tho

 

[HotHamBoy]

Well, if you think about it, tiger is clearly a substitute for n*****. "If he hollars, let him go" also seems to make more sense when referring to a human.

But I always heard tiger growing up. Only heard the latter from like, a movie or something. But i absolutely believe the origins, not really that surprising.

My mother informs me that she always said "piggy"

 

[The Salt Life]

As said above, it's about context:



Like, why would you wear that, unless you were some kind of edgelord? It seems pretty threatening.

Because it's tied to one of the biggest tv shows for this generation and those were the words negan used on the show and before that in the comics and fans of the show would probably rock it? It has nothing to do with being a edge Lord. Some people just like their zombie apparel.

 

[Einchy]

Oh for fucks sake.

This is the ultra-PC bullshit that pushes moderates away from the liberal side.

I'm 99% certain that the scene being quoted by that shirt has the character saying the common "catch a tiger by the toe." And I'm 100% certain that he didn't use the n-word.

If a tshirt pushed them into supporting bigots, then they weren't moderate.

 

[Staccat0]

I definitely heard the real version of this rhyme before I heard the tiger version.

Same here.

 

[Evil Monkey DTT]

Wait... that song used to be racist! I grew up with it as tiger, this is kinda heartbreaking to hear.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I'm guessing it was an older person. Context is important.

 

[Merc_]

I've heard the racist version of it before, but the "tiger" version is definitely the more common one that's used.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the shirt.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

The racist version was the norm when I was a kid. Heard it before I knew what it meant.

 

[radios shipping overview]

Because it's tied to one of the biggest tv shows for this generation and those were the words negan used on the show and before that in the comics and fans of the show would probably rock it? It has nothing to do with being a edge Lord. Some people just like their zombie apparel.

Seems pretty tone-deaf to me, if you'd wear something like that without thinking about how it might come off to somebody who's not familiar with the context.

 

[TheWrathOfSean]

Wait... that song used to be racist! I grew up with it as tiger, this is kinda heartbreaking to hear.

Same here.

 

[L Thammy]

I think I've maybe seen the racist version on Wikipedia or something, but I still was confused when I saw this.

It's when people do things like this or getting upset over things like "tar baby" that I think they're encouraging the anti-PC folk.

Wait... that song used to be racist! I grew up with it as tiger, this is kinda heartbreaking to hear.

For fun, try listening to any American folk song, like the stuff you hear on the old Looney Tunes shows.

 

[BodiesWithoutOrgans]

Primark in Ireland is called Pennys

 

[Balphon]

Time to burn every copy of And Then There Were None, I guess.

But yeah, tons of American folk rhymes/songs have racial implications if you go far back enough, and most of them have been either forgotten or sanitized for modern audiences somewhere along the way. This particular one is so far divorced from its original form that the complaint seems strange, though.

 

[dh4niel]

As usual one person ruining it for everyone else.

Spoiler

It's a crap shirt though.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Seems pretty tone-deaf to me, if you'd wear something like that without thinking about how it might come off to somebody who's not familiar with the context.

I'd probably just assume it's from something.

 

[blame space]

OK computer LP has the four sides labeled as eenie, meanie, miney, and mo. 🤔

 

[TAJ]

I mean I know that the catch a nigger by his toe thing was in the og version, but eh

I always thought that the racist version was the original, but there were many non-racist versions before it.

 

[Ravensmash]

If a tshirt pushed them into supporting bigots, then they weren't moderate.

If the opposing argument is "this other side is too sensitive and just looking for offence" then I can see it.

Stories like this do unfortunately send a distorted message about what people are pushing for in the wider scheme of things too.

Edit: I'd agree that itd be a very confusing shirt for anyone who didn't know the context, but even then you'd rely on someone making the jump to the origins of the rhyme too.

I knew of its origins but the newer version was something I grew up with - don't think I've ever really heard the racist version in real life.

 

[Quick Mustard]

The show is still really racist itself, even though it's gotten better than the early seasons. The graphic killing of Glenn and Noah and turning Michonne into a negro bedwench for the white main character still rub me the wrong way.

Man, thats a poor choice of descriptive words right there.

 

[Vagabundo]

The original version was common in early 80s Ireland. But I had no idea what the word meant until years later.

 

[TheGrue]

I've never once heard that version of that rhyme, and I grew up in the openly racist deep south.

Not only did I hear that growing up in the south, but also a racist version of the modified Batman version of Jingle Bells.

 

[D i Z]

Ah. An oldie. I bet people would feel different about it not being a big deal when they start to pop up in "those" rallies and around the web.

 

[The Salt Life]

Seems pretty tone-deaf to me, if you'd wear something like that without thinking about how it might come off to somebody who's not familiar with the context.

I don't think the person wearing it tends to care what others think. In my life I have seen much worse on t shirts, off the top of my head, those big Johnson shirts from the early 90's

 

[ibrahima]

People not familiar with the walking dead but who are familiar with the history of violence against black people are going to look at that and wonder when they stopped off at a ku klux klan shop.

I'm glad that shit has been taken off the shelves. Ignorance is not an excuse.

 

[Count Dookkake]

OK computer LP has the four sides labeled as eenie, meanie, miney, and mo. 🤔

And the name of Radiohead's first album comes from a Jerky Boys skit.

Problematic!

 

[Messofanego]

Had no idea "tiger" was the politically correct word replacement, you learn something new everyday. Maybe thousands of people are now aware, and are googling this right now. I guess that's a good thing out of this, raising awareness of the rhyme's racist origins.

 

[The Salt Life]

A simple Google search shows like 50 variations of this t shirt, either with Lucille (the bat) or negan or whatever.

Hell here is one with Lord Vader

 

[Thelonelykoopa]

Fuck, I feel awful, I use the tiger varient all the time when deciding between things. Well thats one bad habit I need to stop ; Dont even want to inadvertently promote racist ideology.

 

[ronaldthump]

only ever heard "catch a tiger" ever.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

Yeah, you heard the edited rendition on TV as a kid.
I starkly remember my Grandma popping me upside my head for saying it.
Learned a tough lesson then about its history.

My grandma told me about how it was a rhyme they used to corner black people to harass or beat up or worse, with tears in her eyes

I honestly didn't believe her as a kid then but I never repeated it since.

 

[Thequietone]

I don't even understand why people use eenie meenie miney mo to decide something anyways. No matter what you will always choose the first option you start the rhyme with. It's not like its random like flipping a coin or something.

 

[Megalosaro]

I'm sympathetic to the fight, but I'm going to honest. You have to pick your battles. This isn't one of them

 

[.JayZii]

Don't even get me started on Duck, Duck, Goose!

I don't even understand why people use eenie meenie miney mo to decide something anyways. No matter what you will always choose the first option you start the rhyme with. It's not like its random like flipping a coin or something.

That's why kids started adding on extra parts like "my mother said to pick the very best one and you are not it!" etc to change it up. It also depends on the number of things/people you're choosing between.

 

[ultrazilla]

Does anyone think the wonderfully diverse cast of "The Walking Dead" would say this racism?

 

[Nekofrog]

Literally did not know this. It was always "catch a tiger by the toe" as a wee lad in California, and was on the same level as bubblegum bubblegum in a dish. Lame that it has that history.