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In ~22 months the X360 has sold 3.1-3.2m in Europe (16 of those months without PS3 competition). In ~6 months the PS3 has done 1.3-1.4m in Europe.

If these rumors are true, not only will the price for PS3 entry in Europe become 150-200euro cheaper, there will also be exclusive bundles like the PES bundle and whatnot coming this year (also don't forget that this is the first Xmas period in EU for the console).
 
"360 in spain" :lol :lol :lol

are we really stooping that low now? 360 is winning europe as a whole so we're pointing out the markets within europe where 360 isnt popular? :lol spain to turn the tides in 2008?
believe!!!
 
Wollan said:
In ~22 months the X360 has sold 3.1-3.2m in Europe (16 of those months without PS3 competition). In ~6 months the PS3 has done 1.3-1.4m in Europe.
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Some people tend to forget this yes.
Also not forgetting the extreme high price for the PS3 here (~$800!).
PS2 is stilling selling big time in countries like France, Germany and Spain.
A price drop could mean the real beginning of the PS2-PS3 transition phase.
 
wasnt it shown that since ps3 launch, besides launch month, 360 has STILL outsold ps3 for the same time period? march thru now? not even counting 360s head start? :lol
 
Didnt the FCC filing reveal it now consumes less power? Does that mean between no card readers, smaller HD and perhaps the 65nm cell in there we could very well see a 399 console, perhaps even with a movie thrown in for good measure like Spiderman 3? Plus they renewed the 5 free BR offer with newer better movies.
 
Wollan said:
In ~22 months the X360 has sold 3.1-3.2m in Europe (16 of those months without PS3 competition).
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The 360 is selling in 1.5 of the 3 major worldwide markets. Europe is the 0.5 part.

Wollan said:
In ~6 months the PS3 has done 1.3-1.4m in Europe.
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It sold 800K in the first 3 weeks, so following the launch rush, it's not exactly doing gangbusters in Europe. It is even selling less than the 360 on a weekly basis in the U.K. (360's strongest EU market).

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MobiusPigeon said:
wasnt it shown that since ps3 launch, besides launch month, 360 has STILL outsold ps3 for the same time period? march thru now? not even counting 360s head start? :lol
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Sony said they were outselling the 360 3:1 in Europe since their launch in March. That would put the 360 at ~450K since Sony's launch. Even excluding the 800K in the first three weeks, Sony is still, overall, outselling the 360 in Europe. Just not by a whole lot.
 
AndyPants said:
Didnt the FCC filing reveal it now consumes less power? Does that mean between no card readers, smaller HD and perhaps the 65nm cell in there we could very well see a 399 console, perhaps even with a movie thrown in for good measure like Spiderman 3? Plus they renewed the 5 free BR offer with newer better movies.
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65nm cell alone would reduce draw way more than the ~7% shown in the filing.
 
AndyPants said:
Didnt the FCC filing reveal it now consumes less power? Does that mean between no card readers, smaller HD and perhaps the 65nm cell in there we could very well see a 399 console, perhaps even with a movie thrown in for good measure like Spiderman 3? Plus they renewed the 5 free BR offer with newer better movies.
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I was thinking somewhat similar idea, is the whole 65nm thing, but do you really think they've already gotten to that level? I mean 360 JUST got it's 65nm chips, I know it would help a lot, I know ps3 is a power hog, and not only that, but doesn't it have very advanced cooling systems? I remember reading about that somewhere.
 
MobiusPigeon said:
wasn't it shown that since ps3 launch, besides launch month, 360 has STILL outsold ps3 for the same time period? march thru now? not even counting 360s head start? :lol
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No. Actually, in the UK only (the X360's best market in EU) they have done equally good this year counting from day one (so the PS3 'lost' three months but it gained from having an actual launch). In these last weeks the X360 has been leading due to the price cut/Halo 3 (in the UK).

donny2112 said:
The 360 is selling in 1.5 of the 3 major worldwide markets. Europe is the 0.5 part.
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I would like further explanation on this. Are you trying to suggest that the US is ~2.5 times bigger than EU? Sony have sold more PS2's in EU than in the US.
 
AndyPants said:
Didnt the FCC filing reveal it now consumes less power? Does that mean between no card readers, smaller HD and perhaps the 65nm cell in there we could very well see a 399 console, perhaps even with a movie thrown in for good measure like Spiderman 3? Plus they renewed the 5 free BR offer with newer better movies.
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No.
In tall, bold, blinking, illuminated letters.
 
Sir Fragula said:
Yes, but Espana is a state of what, 45 million people? Compared to an EU population of 500million. We know the 360 is trouncing the PS3 in weekly sales in the UK [where current gen systems regularly get top ten spots] and we assume that the PS3 is probably doing a lot better than the 360 in Espana [where current gen games don't often get top ten spots]. Two extremes. But that still leaves 25 states unaccounted for. If people have some hard data on the matter to stop this being speculation and make it fact, then I'd love to see it is all...
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UK is only land where Xbox sells well... nowhere else does it sell that well at all.
 
Wollan said:
In these last weeks the X360 has been leading due to the price cut/Elite/Halo 3 (in the UK).
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Fixed.

Also, see the edit in my previous post.

Wollan said:
I would like further explination on this. Are you trying to suggest that the US is three times bigger than EU? Sony have sold more PS2's in EU than in the US.
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No, I am not trying to suggest that the US is three times bigger. The 360 sells in the U.S. That's 1 of the 3 major markets. It sells like it's half-alive, half-dead in Europe. That's 0.5 of the 3 major markets. It doesn't sell in Japan. In total, it sells in 1.5 of the 3 major markets. Sort of make sense, now?
 
spwolf said:
UK is only land where Xbox sells well... nowhere else does it sell that well at all.
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Hard data? You and a cabal of people here just saying it's so doesn't make it so. Yes, I know the 360's strongest EU submarket is the UK [and Ireland?], but that's a far cry from saying it doesn't sell well in the rest of the Union.
 
spwolf said:
UK is only land where Xbox sells well... nowhere else does it sell that well at all.
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Proof? Link? I don't know why sony fans think europe is is sony land. It looks like nintendoland to me. Outside of UK, it looks like both the PS3 and 360 are doing terrible.
 
donny2112 said:
No, I am not trying to suggest that the US is three times bigger. The 360 sells in the U.S. That's 1 of the 3 major markets. It sells like it's half-alive, half-dead in Europe. That's 0.5 of the 3 major markets. It doesn't sell in Japan. In total, it sells in 1.5 of the 3 major markets. Sort of make sense, now?
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So when the PS3 outsold the X360 in worldwide numbers in July it was selling 1.7 donny major market ratios. You should stick to actual sales numbers, not 'active' markets.
 
Sir Fragula said:
Hard data? You and a cabal of people here just saying it's so doesn't make it so. Yes, I know the 360's strongest EU submarket is the UK [and Ireland?], but that's a far cry from saying it doesn't sell well in the rest of the Union.
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check totals of xbox in USA and Europe... Europe is 50% of numbers from USA.

For PS2 and PSP, Europe sells same amount as USA.
 
spwolf said:
check totals of xbox in USA and Europe... Europe is 50% of numbers from USA.

For PS2 and PSP, Europe sells same amount as USA.
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Everybody (including me) expected lastgen figures to extrapolate out to thisgen in NA and that didn't happen.
 
Listen, it's either people are that dumb or can't understand simple concepts of business.

I would say the Ps3 is at 1.7 million right now in Europe? Sounds fair people?

Now, take that statment above and apply it with the disadvantages the Ps3 has right now. No major game out. The price is expensive, somewhat riding on a negative perspective.

Okay, lets take 360 situation. It sold so far, up to date. 3 million? Am I right?

What advantages does the 360 have right? Being cheaper? Yes. More? Games. Blockbuster hits? Yeah. Riding a good perspective.


I'm talking about RIGHT now.


Now, in the FUTURE. If the Ps3 is actually much cheaper in Europe, it doesn't really matter if the 360 is cheaper, well, it does. But you see, I will be saying this a lot but it will really happen, this is where the brand recognition thing really comes to play. And I mean, really.

Now, that's not even mentioning Ps3 has still games like MGS4 and GT5 (which by the way is a big hit in Europe, yeah, Xbox fans, sorry, it sucks that GT is such a big hit down here but not Forza.)

Now take all that for the Ps3 future view and you think it won't beat Xbox 360 when it's already at 1.7 million.

How does the 360 future looks like?

Price drop? Uh, okay. Games? Nothing much so far. Brand recognition? Uh...

And people still expect thjis machine to keep up with the Ps3 in the future, it's not going to sell at a level where the Ps3 will be selling at in the future.

It already ain't selling like gangbusters now and this is th best time for the 360, what can you expect in the future for it?

Yeah, see my point guys. I think it's pretty valid. I don't think there is an ounce of bullshit in here.
 
damisa said:
Proof? Link? I don't know why sony fans think europe is is sony land. It looks like nintendoland to me. Outside of UK, it looks like both the PS3 and 360 are doing terrible.
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doing terrible, said who?

first of all, we were talking about PS3 and 360, not about Wii...
 
Wollan said:
So when the PS3 outsold the X360 in worldwide numbers in July it was selling 1.7 donny major market ratios. You should stick to actual sales numbers, not 'active' markets.
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I don't get where you're coming from there. I just use it as a shorthand way to talk about the worldwide market place. I'm not trying to say that only the big three markets are "active." Just that they dwarf every other market for video games on the planet.

For clarification's sake, I actually consider PAL/Other as one big market mostly made up of Europe and Australia. North America (pretty much U.S. + Canada) and Japan being the other two major markets.

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It doesn't translate 1:1 to unit sales, if that's what you were thinking.

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FortunateSon said:
I would say the Ps3 is at 1.7 million right now in Europe? Sounds fair people?
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1.7 million is not very likely right now in Europe. It was 1.3 million in Europe around mid to late August from David Reeves.
 
1.7 million is not very likely right now in Europe. It was 1.3 million in Europe around mid to late August from David Reeves.
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Doesn't matter, it's not going to make the 360 look suddenly unbeatable in sales.
 
spwolf said:
doing terrible, said who?

first of all, we were talking about PS3 and 360, not about Wii...
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Unlike the US and UK, top selling software lists in the rest of europe are dominated by PS2, wii, and DS games. PS3/360 games only rarely make software lists in the rest of europe. Why does wii get ignored? It's part of the market.
 
damisa said:
Unlike the US and UK, top selling software lists in the rest of europe are dominated by PS2, wii, and DS games. PS3/360 games only rarely make software lists in the rest of europe. Why does wii get ignored? It's part of the market.
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because the wii is a given, and NO ONE here is disputing that, so quit bringing it up.
 
I can't believe people think 360 will outsell PS3 in Europe, or that it is outselling PS3 on a week to week basis in Europe as a whole right now. This simply isn't true and won't happen.

On the other hand I can't believe the people that say the 360 is a failure in Europe too, it's doing ok, just as the xbox did last gen with sales being 50% of the US. It will certainly do better then it's predecessor in absolute terms, but outside of the UK it won't eat in into the PS crowd too much, and while the UK may be the biggest market in Europe, it's only one of the many .

399 will destroy the 360 in Europe as a whole.
 
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163278

This one seems to be shaping up like Worst Kept Sony Secret Part 2: Leak Harder. Remember that mysterious new PlayStation 3 model number that appeared in a recently discovered FCC filing Sony made? Like all secret hardware announcements that aren't supposed to be public yet, it's now appearing in an advertisement. An ad for five free Blu-ray movies (pictured) on BluraySavings.com (via Kotaku) lists the new model (CECHG01) along with the current models on market (the 60GB CECHA01 and 80GB CECHE01) as Blu-ray players that qualify for the promotion.

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Of particular interest is the date of validation: the coupon stipulates the Blu-ray player must be purchased between October 1 (that's today, if you're not into the whole calendar thing) and January 31, 2008, lending further credence to the rumor that we'll see a new $399 PS3 SKU before the end of the year. If this all sounds familiar, you may recall Sony eventually confirmed the 80GB PS3 model and price restructuring in July after Internet rumors were bolstered by a leaked Circuit City ad.

A new PS3 model appearing in an ad again? 1UP's contacted Sony Computer Entertainment America for comment -- stay tuned.
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It's coming.
 
ArsTechnica: $399 40GB PS3 Will Launch On Or Before November 16

Sony clearly doesn't have an issue with trying a few different pricing levels for its flagship PlayStation 3. The PlayStation 3 debuted with both a $500 and $600 price tag, but since that time much has changed.

In the meantime, you can see what Sony has done: the company has focused on reducing the cost of building the PS3 while also closely watching how sales of lower-priced units are doing. The time is ripe for a new PS3 model to hit the scene, and we strongly believe that the company is about to launch a $399 PS3 in time for the holiday season. We've been hearing rumors to this effect for some time, but now the evidence of a new PlayStation 3 configuration is almost undeniable: an FCC filing details a new model number for the system.

What this new model number means is impossible to know for sure; the FCC filing leaves out pictures to "avoid premature release of sensitive information prior to marketing or release of the product to the public." The product description tells us that there is no difference in the wireless configuration, CPU, or Bluetooth aspects of this new PlayStation 3. The information that details the differences has been conveniently left out of the released paperwork, for the aforementioned reason.

So what does this mean? We know something new is coming, but everything else is open to speculation. Luckily we have sources in the industry who have long been telling us about an upcoming $399 40GB PlayStation 3. A $399 PlayStation 3 would be a great way to get new consumers into the Blu-ray enabled system for the holidays, and it would help to counter the Xbox 360's lower price and newly announced pack-in software.

We also have a date to pin this information to: our sources tell us that the $399 PlayStation 3 hardware will launch on, or before, November 16. We're confident in this information, as our sources in this area have always given us accurate information in the past. The "sensitive information" in the FCC filing will go public 45 days from September 4, unless something changes. We're confident saying that Sony is readying a new low-priced weapon for the console wars, regardless. Frankly, we also think it makes good sense.

Why didn't Sony announce this at the Tokyo Game Show? We reason that the company will hold off as long as possible on the announcement so as not to stymie existing sales.
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http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...-holiday-makeover-399-ps3-rumor-has-legs.html
 
The_lascar said:
Ok. I can say that for France :

Fair priced offer launching on october 10th (40GB - 400 € ?), will be announced by SCEE on next monday
Two bundles (one with Spiderman 3 BRD and another one with PES2008) are scheduled for November.
The two Starter Packs will see their prices cut.

Also, bad news concerning the games : although this isn't definite, Time Crisis 4 + Guncon currently sells for 90 € and Eye of Judgment (with Eyetoys and cards...) sells for 100 € !
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Monday is over here. A friend is buying a starter pack at the end of this week, any news?
 
Why November 16th? All I see is Oblivion GOTY edition coming out on that day. It should be when Uncharted is out, which would be the 20th.
 
Kyoufu said:
Why November 16th? All I see is Oblivion GOTY edition coming out on that day. It should be when Uncharted is out, which would be the 20th.
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Have you heard of Black Friday?
 
MirageDwarf said:
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163278
It's coming.
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GAF > Interwebs > GAF


Kyoufu said:
WTF thats racist.

Sorry, I live under a rock
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:P

History lesson:
The day after Thanksgiving is called Black Friday. It is THE biggest retail day of the year in the United States (accounting for a very large amount of all Christmas holiday spending). Its namesake comes from many retailers saying that from that day on, they are making a profit for the year, aka "being in the black."
 
ArsTechnica said:
Why didn't Sony announce this at the Tokyo Game Show? We reason that the company will hold off as long as possible on the announcement so as not to stymie existing sales.
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:lol

Announce. It. NOW. Get it to stores NOW. NOW NOW NOW.
 
Chiggs said:
Announce. It. NOW.
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I hear they're going to announce something 2 wednesdays from now on October 12th. Here's an early leak of the press release:

Sony PR lolz said:
We would like to announce the release of the PSthree for $199.99 to be made available on October 12th, 2009. We are very happy to provide our customers with a streamlined and more affordable version of our extremely popular console. See you in 2 years.
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oo Kosma oo said:
I can't believe people think 360 will outsell PS3 in Europe
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I sure as hell don't think it will.

I also sure as hell don't think that the ratio in Europe for PS3:360 will end up the same as PS2:Xbox.
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
I also sure as hell don't think that the ratio in Europe for PS3:360 will end up the same as PS2:Xbox.
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Me neither. It will change, but not as much as some 360 people believe and not as little as some PS3 people hope.

We know the PS2 sold 42 million units in Europe. It would be interesting to know how many of those were in the UK so we could really know the relevance of the UK to Europe as a whole.
 
oo Kosma oo said:
Me neither. It will change, but not as much as some 360 people believe and not as little as some PS3 people hope.

We know the PS2 sold 42 million units in Europe. It would be interesting to know how many of those were in the UK so we could really know the relevance of the UK to Europe as a whole.
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I wonder what's going on in Ireland. I was in Dublin last spring and they told me at GAME that 360 sales were poor but improving (I think there was a new retail bundle at that point).
 
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