Ironic you're mentioning Sony's sparse fall/winter lineup without mentioning Microsoft's sparse 2015 as a whole. What's even better is that Sony actually does have exclusive games coming out in the fall/winter, while Microsoft had barely anything in 2015.
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PS4/3 sales generate more revenue than XB1/360/Wii & Wii U combined
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Ironic you're mentioning Sony's sparse fall/winter lineup without mentioning Microsoft's sparse 2015 as a whole. What's even better is that Sony actually does have exclusive games coming out in the fall/winter, while Microsoft had barely anything in 2015.
Bleedgreen007
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And people are complaining that anti-Sony fanboys are derailing this thread..
Bleedgreen007
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Gears, Tomb Raider, Halo, Forza, Fable, and Rare Collection are certainly more than nothing lol. But carry on, soldier.
SunBroDave
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Pretty interesting that as a whole company, Microsoft has basically unlimited moneys, yet their games division is hardly doing much. Meanwhile Sony's games division is extremely lucrative, while Sony as a whole company is tanking hard.
So 6M is reasonable if the PS4 sees a similar sales boost when bigger titles (that Japanese gamers care about) start dropping. If PS4 ends up getting the same extended lifespan that PS3 got, maybe it will get closer to the PS3 than that. Those PS3-PS4 cross gen releases will have to finally stop at some point.
Thanks. All opinions are welcome
It's understandable why we are still getting them, but I wonder how PS4 hardware sales would look if we didn't have so many cross gen titles. Metal Gear Solid V is a pretty big release, but how many people are going to decide that the PS3 version is good enough? Ditto for Persona 5 and the next Tales game.
Dragon Quest Heroes probably would have moved more hardware if there wasn't a PS3 version, Persona 5 would move a lot more than it will if there was no PS3 version, same with Metal Gear Solid and Star Ocean 5. Short answer, the sales would look a lot better. Unfortunately we're stuck with "home consoles in Japan are dead" until cross finally does end.
Are you annoyed because Sony as company is apparently failing or because the PS4 is thriving?
Let it out.
You can ask an admin. They'll tell you it's reliable.
Sure,when you consider everything bolded is either not exclusive, a remaster, or even both.
And Bloodborne, Until Dawn, The Order, Uncharted Collection, Tearaway, Persona 5, MLB 15 is sparse, yeah we get it.
Nintendo was spread thin between the Wii and the DS, and you can see that post 2007. I also wonder if their evergreen strategy bit them in the ass post-2010. Not releasing sequels to your biggest games (with a few exceptions) might drive tail end sales, but it doesn't give people much of a reason to stick around when you have gone through all of your heavy hitter IPs.
PlayStation 4 software sales have been very low as well with no games apart from Bloodborne, GTAV and Dragon Quest Heroes able to exceed 200,000 units with the latter two games selling more on PlayStation 3.
There hasn't been a killer app yet for Japanese gamers to purchase the PlayStation 4 and honestly the market has changed so much that even if killer apps do launch it may not do much to increase the install base to the levels of its predecessors.
The launch of PlayStation 4 exclusive titles from Sony Computer Entertainment, Square Enix, Capcom, Bandai Namco and Koei Tecmo in 2016 and beyond will be key to pushing both software and hardware sales as right now there don't seem to be many other big developers catering to the Japanese market that have the strength to dictate hardware purchases.
So we could and certainly will see PlayStation 4 sales increase in Japan but it remains to be seen just how big of a push Sony and developers will make and what the actual impact on sales will be. Certainly right now it looks like the console market is much smaller than it was 10 years ago.
Star Ocean, Everybody's Gone to The Rapture, God of War Remastered since he included Gears in his list.
These numbers seem very much in line with sales impressions so far, but it's nice to see it collated in one convenient place. It really does go a long way to show how important it is to design a good product and to have good working relationships with your business partners. I imagine that it's important to note that the existence and absence of exclusive games don't seem to make a whole lot of difference in relation to sales revenue in general. There are a lot of lessons for all three platform creators, but the big question is going to be how well they can absorb these lessons and apply them to future releases.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Very interesting pieces. I definitely have seen the trend of focusing on a niche in LNs and manga so much so that new ones have become entirely predictable and subsequently boring.
Corporate culture in japan has always been messed up though that's nothing new, so is it just the uptick in effort development takes that broke the system.
NintenDOMG
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Don't let my username fool you...
So your saying people are only buying PS4 because they don't like MS?
And that its a negligible amount of people who bought a PS4 for Japanese support?
Is that what your saying?
Sakujou posts like that all the time. I would just ignore his/her posts personally.
Newtype-001
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I suppose so.
I see what you guys are saying, the mainstream helped perpetuate the console to the lead its currently holding.
So is it purely Fifa, Madden, Call of Duty, etc? Because if you look at Microsoft's output, it seems more mainstream oriented than Sony IE Masterchief collection, Halo 5, Gears of War, EA Vault, etc.
Well...except this guy
Since you referenced me.
You said
I said in response, that a lot of people were buying PS4s because Japanese support on the PS4 was compelling to them.
How does your response counteract my point? You think only western Xbox shooter games are compelling content for everyone? But obviously everyone does not think that same way.
It's like you just want to forget camera sensors and insurance making good money
Xbone is cheaper as well.
I thought Xbone base model is sold for $350, making it $50 cheaper. In Canada it is effectively $100 cheaper. Although price might be similar in EU.
Sumio Mondo
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Good to see them turn things around so much from start of last gen.
Yes Boss must be eating crow for 9 years now too.
Yes Boss must be eating crow for 9 years now too.
This scenario seems to be a good illustration of the difference between value and price.
LiveFromKyoto
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Has the PS3 become profitable as a whole yet?
Gucci Messiah
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I would imagine so but I'm just guessing
ArkhamFantasy
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It was losing them billions the first few years, i would highly doubt they've made their money back from it.
It's reliable. I guess I need to add that tag after all, Zhuge
pinkurocket
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The PS4 is a marketing machine that sells itself at this point. Impressive.
Kralamoonard
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Just curious Zhuge, do you work in the industry? Or does your job have something to do with sales/statistics etc? It's always fascinating and interesting to see the sorts of stuff you post on Twitter, and I've always wondered how you come to know of it (not that I doubt you of course!)
Wii U's situation is telling us that big games only provide a small boost for a short while and then it come back to its baseline.
But the PS4 always have more chance since it actually got 3rd parties support so the userbase don't have to wait 3 months between each game releases.
KratosEnergyDrink
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Meaningless numbers without context and other data.
Most revenue is generated by software sales anyway.
Most revenue is generated by software sales anyway.
Kralamoonard
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They're not really "meaningless" though, are they...? They're published for a reason.
Super_Cobra
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I've always said playstation is gamings biggest brand in the world.
Congrats to Sony.
Congrats to Sony.
He pursues Lu Bu when others don't have the courage. I think that's all that needs to be said.
This makes me wonder if MS won't also try to rush the cycle to next gen. It might make sense if they can launch a year ahead of Sony and build a lead advantage.
sörine;176888877 said:
That worked well for the WiiU.
And the Dreamcast.
And the Saturn.
Even the 360's one year lead was basically erased despite the PS3's crappy first few years.
Rushing out a console to get ahead of your competitors seems kind of pointless. Hell the PS4/Xbone launching at the same time worked out very well for both companies. 3rd parties were there day one and people were upgrading left and right. They both ended up with massive launches. It felt like the entire industry was upgrading at the same time.
Do you have a link to some stats?
Alex_Mexico
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Not true. Nintendo's home consoles didn't have a true worldwide phenomenon until the Wii.
NES was successful in Japan and NA only. Europe and Brazil cared very little for it.
SNES was again a success only in Japan and NA. The Genesis gave the SNES a run for their money in Europe.
N64 was mostly only succesful in NA failing miserably in Europe and Japan.
The GC was again only moderately successful in NA but sold even less than the N64. Hardly anyone outside our region cared for it.
Wii was successful everywhere.
WiiU is poised to be the worst selling yet with the bulk made in Japan and some in NA.
Nintendo characters are what's global and transcend borders. But they're limited to how successful their Nintendo hardware is and more often than not Nintendo drops the ball on that department when it comes to home consoles.
I work for a company in the Mobile telecommunications industry and have access to market research reports within that industry. Sometimes the subscriptions we have allow me to see other industry reports including Toys & Games.
Also I have a passion for the video game industry and love researching and collecting data.
I am currently preparing a report about the difference in spend between US and Chinese gamers as well as how the Chinese market is growing for gaming overall. It should be ready tomorrow so please look forward to it
I guess so.
Arrrrrgghhhh! It's...... LU BU!
sörine;176888877 said:
But how would they do that? PS4 will have a massive lead over the Xbox brand by then and all game makers will be targeting that level of game system for their games still. Xbox Two will release with what games? What third party support? The most they'll get from third parties will be the same PS4/XBO games but at a higher graphics setting. Crossgen game support will reign supreme so a new Xbox too early will simply have the same games as PS4/XBO while the industry waits for the PS5 in order to truly move on with game specification advancement, then Xbox Two will be the weaker system of the two yet again and will hold next gen game development back.
I just don't see trying to release a new system early and all alone because your last system is getting demolished in sales as a valid strategy. You alienate the fans that had purchased the last system while making things awkward for game development moving forward by having a stop-gap hardware specification that will be easily demolished when the bigger player (PS5) finally moves to next gen.
Kralamoonard
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I work for a company in the Mobile telecommunications industry and have access to market research reports within that industry. Sometimes the subscriptions we have allow me to see other industry reports including Toys & Games.
Also I have a passion for the video game industry and love researching and collecting data.
I am currently preparing a report about the difference in spend between US and Chinese gamers as well as how the Chinese market is growing for gaming overall. It should be ready tomorrow so please look forward to it
Ahh, I see then. That's pretty cool and I respect that passion. And yes, I will look forward to it!
lol
gundamkyoukai
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How do those games get more main stream than TLOU , UC collection KZ , etc etc .
Along with stuff like PS + .
Genesis gave the SNES a run for its money in North America as well. SNES' substantial worldwide lead was almost entirely due to Japan.
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