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[Baconsammy]

stick placement is great

In fact it fixed all my issues really and even went above and beyond by making an already dpad seemingly better.

For me it's atrocious, and it's only there because they needed a place to put the sticks years ago when they added them to the prior design. It's not there because ergonomically it makes sense. Hopefully a third party makes a quality 360-ish controller for the PS4 as there was for the PS3. Then everyone can be happy.

 

[Wuthering_Heights]

Very nice touch. Love it.



The stick position is perfect.

Agreed. Glad they kept it the same instead of going with an inferior placement.

 

[Chû Totoro]

So Dualshock 4 means the kinect like thing is mandatory?

 

[Syphon Filter]

the look is ugly,looks more comfortable though.too many layers on it,take the glossy part out,its unnecessary.

 

[SolsticeZero]

So Dualshock 4 means the kinect like thing is mandatory?

Yep. Greg confirmed that all the stuff he's tweeting now is "optional for devs", so not mandatory at all.

 

[Number45]

For me it's atrocious, and it's only there because they needed a place to put the sticks years ago when they added them to the prior design. It's not there because ergonomically it makes sense. Hopefully a third party makes a quality 360-ish controller for the PS4 as there was for the PS3. Then everyone can be happy.

They exist for the PS3 and I'm sure they'll exist for the PS4 as well, so that people can be happy with sticks in different positions to their thumbs.

 

[Servbot24]

So far i can see no real complaints with this controller. Very happy they kept the stick placement. My symmetrical hands will be happy.

 

[Chû Totoro]

Yep. Greg confirmed that all the stuff he's tweeting now is "optional for devs", so not mandatory at all.

good news

 

[Concept17]

Rubber duck time! Phil Harrison secretly working for Sony confirmed!



Yep. Symmetrical stick for the win.

hahah I'm trying to picture the quote about the rubber duck and its not making any sense

 

[alr1ght]

Only issue I see with the controller is the shoulder buttons are too close together, like most controllers.

 

[deadlast]

has it all ready been discussed if the DS4 will work with existing Turtle Beach headset? I'm curious because I have a DX11 that I would like to keep using.

 

[Vidpixel]

The colors that light up on the back of the controllers for each player are a nice touch, especially since they represent the four colors of the face buttons.

 

[Xplatformer]

For me it's atrocious, and it's only there because they needed a place to put the sticks years ago when they added them to the prior design. It's not there because ergonomically it makes sense. Hopefully a third party makes a quality 360-ish controller for the PS4 as there was for the PS3. Then everyone can be happy.

Careful. People that have gotten use to the PlayStation stick placement don't tend to admit that Sony included them as an afterthought. I'm sure Sony didn't expect first and third person shooters to become as popular as they have.

I'd bet Sony Japan is the only reason the stick placements haven't changed.

 

[Xplatformer]

They exist for the PS3 and I'm sure they'll exist for the PS4 as well, so that people can be happy with sticks in different positions to their thumbs.

They are ALL shit because they aren't manufactured by Sony.

 

[i-Lo]

Careful. People that have gotten use to the PlayStation stick placement don't tend to admit that Sony included them as an afterthought. I'm sure Sony didn't expect first and third person shooters to become as popular as they have.

I'd bet Sony Japan is the only reason the stick placements haven't changed.

I'm used to it. For me both are comfortable. So when I hear complaints about the placement it just comes off as an opinion. However, thankfully, the size of the controller received an upgrade which does affect me.

 

[endlessflood]

Careful. People that have gotten use to the PlayStation stick placement don't tend to admit that Sony included them as an afterthought. I'm sure Sony didn't expect first and third person shooters to become as popular as they have.

I'd bet Sony Japan is the only reason the stick placements haven't changed.

I think it's more a question of human anatomy when it comes to dual stick input. If my left and right hands were asymmetrical then I could understand asymmetrical stick placement. However they're not, so I would prefer the symmetrical stick placement of either the Dual Shock or the Wii U Pro controller.

 

[nib95]

I think it's more a question of human anatomy when it comes to dual stick input. If my left and right hands were asymmetrical then I could understand asymmetrical stick placement. However they're not, so I would prefer the symmetrical stick placement of either the Dual Shock or the Wii U Pro controller.

Agreed, in any game where you're using both sticks and the triggers as oppose to the face buttons, symmetrical sticks is the more natural positioning.

 

[Baconsammy]

I'm used to it. For me both are comfortable. So when I hear complaints about the placement it just comes off as an opinion. However, thankfully, the size of the controller received an upgrade which does affect me.

It's my opinion the stick placement stinks. Not fact. That's for sure. Others love it. I'm with you on the size of the controller, as that's been another issue for me, and perhaps the change in size may alleviate some of the issues I have with the sticks. They've also tightened the sticks, which addresses another one of my issues, as well as putting a lip on the triggers. I just hope it feels substantial/weighty.

 

[KePoW]

Agreed, in any game where you're using both sticks and the triggers as oppose to the face buttons, symmetrical sticks is the more natural positioning.

But in most games, you're using the face buttons a lot which is why the higher left stick makes ergonomical sense. Fact.

 

[fritolay]

I'm actually really interested in the share button and the whole idea behind it. I hope MS puts one on their next controller or adds the same features some how.

 

[H_Prestige]

But in most games, you're using the face buttons a lot which is why the higher left stick makes ergonomical sense. Fact.

You must be an expert on ergonomics

 

[renitou]

Wii U layout is best to me, unexpectedly.

 

[Kule]

The glossy d pad surface just made this stand out more to me. One console future.

 

[Endo Punk]

It looks unfinished. I am glad they kept the button and stick placements the same. Get rid of the gloss though, that's probably what gives it an 'unfinished look'.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

But in most games, you're using the face buttons a lot which is why the higher left stick makes ergonomical sense. Fact.

I wouldn't say most games.
In FPS-games, you're using both sticks equally (if not the right one more than the left, but that's balanced out by the facebuttons being on the right side), in racing games you use no facebuttons, and in fighting games you should use an arcade stick P).

The only game I can think of where you use the face buttons more than the right stick are platformers while simultaneously using the left stick, and even there it makes sense to have a symetrical stick/button position in other to enable for lefties to play just as comfortable as righties by utilizing the D-pad as facebuttons.

 

[Orayn]

I wouldn't say most games.
In FPS-games, you're using both sticks equally (if not the right one more than the left, but that's balanced out by the facebuttons being on the right side), in racing games you use no facebuttons, and in fighting games you should use an arcade stick P).

The only game I can think of where you use the face buttons more than the right stick are platformers while simultaneously using the left stick, and even there it makes sense to have a symetrical stick/button position in other to enable for lefties to play just as comfortable as righties by utilizing the D-pad as facebuttons.

Many action and action-adventure games use left stick and face buttons as their primary setup, though. Devil May Cry, Assassin's Creed, Dragon's Dogma, Monster Hunter, etc.

 

[Majanew]

While I do prefer the staggered sticks of the 360 controller, it's the PS4's triggers I'm concerned most about. They are terrible on PS3. And while the PS4's triggers look better, they still look like they're 'squishy'. Just please don't screw up the triggers, Sony. If R1 is used for shooting, then there's no need for trigger-shaped buttons.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Sony. If R1 is used for shooting, then there's no need for trigger-shaped buttons.

...

Um, I think they changed them for better grip and so your fingers don't want to slide off when they hinge back.

 

[surly]

Agreed, in any game where you're using both sticks and the triggers as oppose to the face buttons, symmetrical sticks is the more natural positioning.

Which would be fine if the sticks were placed in the primary position like on the Wii U Pro controller, but they're not. The sticks were tacked on to a controller created in 1997 so that people could use them in a handful of racing games that supported analogue controls, but the core design hasn't been changed since, even though the way we play games has completely changed.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

Looking at that controller, I can now say, Sony will get my money at some point, not at or around launch but at some point. Never have been a fan of the original or Dualshock. So I have never owned a PS, but those extended handles will do a lot to reduce the amount cramping my hands experienced while using the predecessors.

 

[Xplatformer]

Which would be fine if the sticks were placed in the primary position like on the Wii U Pro controller, but they're not. The sticks were tacked on to a controller created in 1997 so that people could use them in a handful of racing games that supported analogue controls, but the core design hasn't been changed since, even though the way we play games has completely changed.

This. Symmetrical on the Wii u Pro is damn saxy.

 

[Persona86]

Give me white version.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Many action and action-adventure games use left stick and face buttons as their primary setup, though. Devil May Cry, Assassin's Creed, Dragon's Dogma, Monster Hunter, etc.

Ah, forgot about them.
Yeah, action-adventures and platforms.

 

[endlessflood]

Which would be fine if the sticks were placed in the primary position like on the Wii U Pro controller, but they're not. The sticks were tacked on to a controller created in 1997 so that people could use them in a handful of racing games that supported analogue controls, but the core design hasn't been changed since, even though the way we play games has completely changed.

I don't see any spot on the controller as being the 'primary' position; in most games these days you're required to use just about every button on the controller for something (sticks, d-pad, face buttons, L1/2 and R1/2, even Select in games like Battlefield), they're all within easy reach, and pressing buttons is pretty easy. The thing that requires constant and really fine-grained control though is dual stick input (e.g. FPS and TPS games) – which is a type of input that's unique on the controller – and that's where symmetrical layout is ideal. As I said earlier I wouldn't mind either the Dual Shock or Wii U Pro controller layout, I think they're both great due to the symmetrical stick placement.

 

[Tripolygon]

Give me white version.

Saw these fan concepts in the Playstation forum, old?

 

[Elixist]

Saw these fan concepts in the Playstation forum, old?

white looks nice. love black and white together always slick.

 

[Chuck Norris]

The glossy d pad surface just made this stand out more to me. One console future.

What am I supposed to be looking at?

 

[Dreamgazer]

What am I supposed to be looking at?

X-BOX

 

[Drago]

Saw these fan concepts in the Playstation forum, old?

That white looks pretty sleek.

Would love a white PS4 at launch, but we won't get that

 

[Dead Prince]

Saw these fan concepts in the Playstation forum, old?

that black gloss behind the buttons is so ugly.

 

[Lion Heart]

So glad they kept the stick placement, its much better for a wide variety of genres. FPS games suffered because of the shitty sensitivity/dead zone/throw of the older sticks, not the placement. If they matched the Xbox controller in those areas, we have a winner.

Wii U layout is best to me, unexpectedly.

Wii U is garbage, R1 and Right analog are way to close together, forming the ultimate claw position. So awkward.

 

[Twilight Gap]

Actually looks somewhat comfortable.

Interesting the rumors were right. I still don't like the D-Pad, but that's no surprise.

I actually prefer this d-pad to the Xbox and Wii ones, as you know when you're hitting the right button.

that black gloss behind the buttons is so ugly.

Yea, it's a decidedly different aesthetic than the rest of the controller.

 

[Allonym]

For me it's atrocious, and it's only there because they needed a place to put the sticks years ago when they added them to the prior design. It's not there because ergonomically it makes sense. Hopefully a third party makes a quality 360-ish controller for the PS4 as there was for the PS3. Then everyone can be happy.

I absolutely hate the Xbox 360's stick placement, I tried playing CoD and Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 and hated my time with it. It was fine for Gears but all-in-all I'm not a fan. I'm glad Sony didn't mimic Microsoft and remained true to themselves and their fans and further improved their own product while retaining their identity

 

[jwk94]

What's the appeal of concave sticks? I've been using the 360 controller on my laptop and I hate the sticks. Sure, the grip is pretty good, but the concavity with the little bumps makes my left thumb hurt after long periods of play.

 

[Allonym]

that black gloss behind the buttons is so ugly.

Yes! Dear God let's hope they drop it, shit is the only flaw on the DS4

 

[Apeopleman]

X-BOX

10/10

Post of the month, Gaming side

 

[Twilight Gap]

I still think the 360 has the best designed controller, period.

The size is comfortable and the button makes sense. The most used stick is on the top, and the least used buttons are underneath it. Then the other stick is on the bottom so your thumbs aren't bumping each other, and the most used buttons are on the top as well. All of them are within easy reach with minimal movement, and since the d-pad redesign I think they've hit a sweet spot. They'd just need to fix the battery cover and slow-turn before I could declare it perfect.

The glossy d pad surface just made this stand out more to me. One console future.

X-BOX

10/10

Post of the month, Gaming side

it is happening

 

[waypoetic]

Saw these fan concepts in the Playstation forum, old?

Love my white DS3 but looking at That i wouldn't buy a white DS4. I'd get the black and red one in that case.

 

[Baconsammy]

I absolutely hate the Xbox 360's stick placement, I tried playing CoD and Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 and hated my time with it. It was fine for Gears but all-in-all I'm not a fan. I'm glad Sony didn't mimic Microsoft and remained true to themselves and their fans and further improved their own product while retaining their identity

Having an inferior identity just to have an identity isn't a benefit. There's other ways they could have fixed their ergonomics issue and still not copy Microsoft. Nintendo managed it with the pro controller.

As for the mockups, the bottom left should be green and come bundled with Minecraft.

 

[Mrbob]

The dual shock stick placement doesn't offend my gaming sensibilities. I like the 360 stick placement better for for shooter games, but action adventure games I like the PS3 controller better.

From what I've been reading the placement of the PS4 sticks are a little wider apart than on PS3, so this should help alleviate any stick crashing. Plus the grips are longer too.

Having an inferior identity just to have an identity isn't a benefit. There's other ways they could have fixed their ergonomics issue and still not copy Microsoft. Nintendo managed it with the pro controller.

As for the mockups, the bottom left should be green and come bundled with Minecraft.

I haven't seen much love for the Wii U Pro controller.