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[andycapps]

Faster "now" compared to when? Is he saying these optimizations will make it into a future PS4 firmware update? Or a future hardware revision of the console? Or the optimizations are already there?

I believe this is referring to software SDK's available to developers. This isn't going to have an immediate impact for end users.

 

[ElTorro]

Nice! So tessellation is CPU bound? What portions are done by the CPU vs GPU?

I don't know, I only read some basic literature on computer graphics but don't work in that field (Dunning–Kruger ftw). And as others suggested, the tweet could refer to something else. I am pretty sure that the article's explanation is wrong, though. The author seems to refer to tile-based rendering (and his explanation seems to be borrowed from the Wikipedia article on that topic), and that is definitely not what the tweet meant.

 

[FeiRR]

I'm quite surprised they already go as low as assembler code.

 

[dragonbane]

PS4 is a beast.

You are such a beast Finaika. Alright. This had to be done at some point:

 

[ElTorro]

I'm quite surprised they already go as low as assembler code.

It's the benefit of a closed, fixed system architecture that "coding to the metal" becomes a more feasible thing than for software that targets a variety of platforms with much variations. For performance-criticle libraries, assembler is always an option, though, not just on consoles.

 

[viveks86]

I don't know, I only read some basic literature on computer graphics but don't work in that field (Dunning–Kruger ftw). And as others suggested, the tweet could refer to something else. I am pretty sure that the article's explanation is wrong, though. The author seems to refer to tile-based rendering (and his explanation seems to be borrowed from the Wikipedia article on that topic), and that is definitely not what the tweet meant.

Cool. Thanks!

 

[thelastword]

Cool, nice improvement, there's no doubt that the PS3's SDK will see lots of improvements with time. Also, perhaps later in the gen when the OS team delivers most of the features that the fans demand they can free up part of that 2GB of GDDR5 to developers.

 

[viveks86]

You are such a beast Finaika. Alright. This had to be done at some point:

LMAO!!!!!!! My sides hurt!!!

 

[hesido]

I'm quite surprised they already go as low as assembler code.

I guess it still makes sense to have that as low level as possible when you are dealing with standard libraries that may be used in tight loops. I'm not sure if this is a firmware thing but it is possibly libraries used by devs, I may have missed it, tho.

 

[anexanhume]

You are such a beast Finaika. Alright. This had to be done at some point:

Best part is the single post that says it about Xbox One.

 

[Corto]

Finaika is a consistent beast!

 

[Iced_Eagle]

I don't want to drag this off-topic, but MS should really set up something like the ICE Team. So far as I know they don't have anything like it, and this generation they need it more than ever.

They already do. It's called ATG (Advanced Technology Group).

It's hard to find info for an internal team, especially when they don't make themselves known too well publically, but this is just proof that they exist, and have existed since the OG Xbox days (at least 2001). http://www.imdb.com/company/co0189264/

 

[dragonbane]

Best part is the single post that says it about Xbox One.

Ya. Also the random "Wolverine is a beast" got me quite good too lol

 

[DinHerio]

You are such a beast Finaika. Alright. This had to be done at some point:

I like him. Somehow.

Spoiler

He's a beast.

I should stop using spoilers.

 

[ShinobiFist]

You are such a beast Finaika. Alright. This had to be done at some point:

Holy shit, LMAO!!!! I can't take it, lol!!!!

 

[SomedayTheFire]

So this is basically hardware-level occlusion culling? Which Naughty Dog sort of pioneered with Crash Bandicoot in 1996? Cool.

I mean it. Legitimately cool. Just surprised it took this long for Sony engineers to realize it's a fantastic performance-boosting technique and nail it down system-wide.

So did you miss where it said "faster"? It does not mean that just found it, they just optimised the performance. Also word to the wise Naughty Dog houses the ICE team.

 

[FeiRR]

It's the benefit of a closed, fixed system architecture that "coding to the metal" becomes a more feasible thing than for software that targets a variety of platforms with much variations. For performance-criticle libraries, assembler is always an option, though, not just on consoles.

I should have stressed the world already as in 'this early in the generation cycle'. I know quite a lot people who code in ASM but they are retro computer freaks (closed platforms as well).

 

[Corto]

So did you miss where it said "faster"? It does not mean that just found it, they just optimised the performance. Also word to the wise Naughty Dog houses the ICE team.

Their location is the same but ICE team work is shared with all SCE studios and even 3rd parties.

 

[benny_a]

I should have stressed the world already as in 'this early in the generation cycle'. I know quite a lot people who code in ASM but they are retro computer freaks (closed platforms as well).

I would expect that the department that creates a lot of low-level libraries for first and third-parties for the PS4 platform to actually program close to the metal.

If they wanted to do Lua they wouldn't have joined ICE.

 

[RoboPlato]

Anisotropic filtering. It improves the appearance of textures on extended surfaces, especially when they're viewed from a sharp angle.

Is there a good comparison image that shows 4x and 8x as well?

 

[plasmawave]

You are such a beast Finaika. Alright. This had to be done at some point:

BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[RoboPlato]

You are such a beast Finaika. Alright. This had to be done at some point:

Fucking amazing

 

[Sky Chief]

Cort Stratton is a beast!

 

[ocean]

Beasts everywhere.

 

[Alchemy]

I'm quite surprised they already go as low as assembler code.

This is pretty much the reason the ICE team exists, beat the shit out of hardware and extract every last ounce of power from it. I'm sure they go straight to assembly on day one.

 

[Wishmaster92]

Thanks viveks. This is awesome news indeed.

You are such a beast Finaika. Alright. This had to be done at some point:

Oh my

 

[blu]

10 - 100 times seems a large margin. Can anyone explain why?

Shitty original 'reference' code vs proper code using everything the CPUs have to offer. It's all in the OP.

 

[Pain]

The ICE Team is a beast.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

You are such a beast Finaika. Alright. This had to be done at some point:

Tag this beast!

 

[Kinthalis]

Beast whores.

 

[Jetlagger]

Naughty Beast

 

[H6rdc0re]

Now time to fix the graphics API so we can get some descent GPU performance and some tesselation.

 

[pixlexic]

10 to 100 is a pretty wide margin. They could not narrow that down a bit?

 

[viveks86]

PS4 is a beast.

 

[anexanhume]

10 to 100 is a pretty wide margin. They could not narrow that down a bit?

Speedup depends on use case. For one dataset it could be 10x, and for another, 100x.

 

[Insane Metal]

These guys rock! Hadn't it been for them, the PS3 wouldn't have a GPU... just imagine the disaster the system would be... yikes!

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Their location is the same but ICE team work is shared with all SCE studios and even 3rd parties.

Yeah, I know that. Didn't say anything else. Just a response to his point of Naughty Dog doing it with Crash back in the day.

 

[QuantumZebra]

Whatever the D3D team do, obviously the result isn't as pronounced, there's Halo 4, standing head and shoulders above anything else MS put out graphically, where as Sony had GG, SSM and ND constantly nipping at each others toes.

What's mind boggling is Corrine Yu (the lady responsible for Halo 4 looking beastly) is now working for Naughty Gods.

Game. Set. Match.

 

[benny_a]

What's mind boggling is Corrine Yu (the lady responsible for Halo 4 looking beastly) is now working for Naughty Gods.

Game. Set. Match.

I'm having a déjà vu.

 

[Alcifer]

No. You are probably referring to tiled resources, but that is not what is meant here. That has nothing to do with the CPU. The author's article got it wrong.

Surface tiling most probably refers here to the subdivision of geometric objects into smaller geometric objects.

"Tiling" is generally a term that easily leads to confusion since it refers to very different things in different contexts. Another common confusion is the equivocation of tiled-based rendering with tiled resources.

I think this might actually be referring to something different again (so many overloaded meanings to 'tiling' in graphics programming...).

Surfaces, in the D3D meaning of the term, are an area of memory used for a texture or render target. In that case tiling and detiling would refer to changing the order of bytes in the texture to allow different patterns of access. Different address modes being faster for different operations.

A texture can be linearly addressed as a single 1D array of pixels, or it can be addressed as a tiled surface addressing all the pixels in each tile linearly. For instance a 4x4 texture can be addressed two different ways.

A B C D
E F G H
I J K L
M N O P

Linearly: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP
Tiled 2x2: ABEF, CDGH, IJMN, KLOP

The XBone appears to have specific hardware built into it's move engines to tile/detile surfaces as they are moved.

 

[Respawn]

Expect improvements to come in stride for PS4. I like that it's built and obviously not even fine tuned yet.

Yup

 

[Chobel]

You are such a beast Finaika. Alright. This had to be done at some point:

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[AstroNut325]

Is there a good comparison image that shows 4x and 8x as well?

I didn't find anything comprehensive but I did find this:

And

 

[Chobel]

The XBone appears to have specific hardware built into it's move engines to tile/detile surfaces as they are moved.

Where did you hear this from?

 

[Acquiescence]

Is a beast.

 

[Alcifer]

Where did you hear this from?

I originally found the information here http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durangos-move-engines/.
It appears to mean that bytes can be reordered as part of the copy function instead of just a simple DMA.

 

[dragonbane]

Is a beast.

Signed. The most durable "harmless" troll I have seen

 

[DrkSage]

You are such a beast Finaika. Alright. This had to be done at some point:

GAWD DAYUM! That post history is beast!

 

[FranXico]

yeah I know what it is, just wasnt sure if that was indeed what was being talked about. I wasnt aware of it being an issue on the hardware. But it is always good to see an example again.

It isn't. People are wondering if there is a bug in the SDK.

 

[TheRealTalker]

You are such a beast Finaika. Alright. This had to be done at some point:

died at the Wolverine is a beast

Link?

need I make one


multiple threads to choose from :/