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PS4 Pro for users with 1080p TVs - does it make sense?

MadYarpen

MadYarpen

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I assume there are many of us. I don't plan to buy a new TV, but I probably could sell my PS4 and buy pro.

But is it worth it? Will it give me anything? like higher quality graphics for example, but with 1080p resolution? Or better framerates?

Originally I thought I'd stick to my PS4 and wait for the scorpio to arrive. This way I'd probably be prepared for Cyberpunk. But this Horizon: Zero Dawn 4K video made me rethink this...
 
MadYarpen said:
I assume there are many of us. I don't plan to buy a new TV, but I probably could sell my PS4 and buy pro.

But is it worth it? Will it give me anything? like higher quality graphics for example, but with 1080p resolution? Or better framerates?

Originally I thought I'd stick to my PS4 and wait for the scorpio to arrive. This way I'd probably be prepared for Cyberpunk. But this Horizon: Zero Dawn 4K video made me rethink this...
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No I don't think it will but then again I don't know much about that stuff. Just like an Xbox one s and Scorpio won't do much for anyone with a 1080p TV. Unless 1080p tvs have hdr? Then yes ot will benefit you. How much though, I don't know.
 
actually yes it will. You will be able to display games with better FPS and better graphical effects on 1080p using the new PS4 pro.
 
Best bet is to just wait and see what kind of support in gets.

Darhkwing said:
actually yes it will. You will be able to display games with better FPS and better graphical effects on 1080p using the new PS4 pro.
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That's up to developers.
I don't know how many will want to bother.
 
For a new owner, I think it makes a lot of sense.

In terms of upgrades for an existing owner - keep an eye on games coming, and what they will offer. It will be different for each game. Some games are adding specific enhancements at 1080p - new effects, extra geometry, better textures, whatever - some are downsampling from higher resolutions. So I would say that, yes, some games will offer a decent difference at 1080p, but whether this is relevant to you may depend on what those games are, and how many of them there are.
 
Rise of the Tomb Raider is offering 3 modes, two of which would be relevant to you and I. Both running at 1080, but one with a boosted framerate (targeting 60, but currently 45), and the other at a locked 30 fps but with all effects on blast.

How noticeable of a boost this is, we'll have to wait and see. We'll also have to wait and see how many developers bother to put in a similar level of effort.
 
PSVR is another consideration for people getting that. I'm waiting on details, but since they have a set resolution, performance boosts should be felt there.

Personally I'm getting one withouth a 4k TV. No way am I playing Horizon in anything less but the best way possible and I'm getting PSVR. Hoping I can pick 1440p resolution though.
 
gofreak said:
For a new owner, I think it makes a lot of sense.

In terms of upgrades for an existing owner - keep an eye on games coming, and what they will offer. It will be different for each game. Some games are adding specific enhancements at 1080p - new effects, extra geometry, better textures, whatever - some are downsampling from higher resolutions. So I would say that, yes, some games will offer a decent difference at 1080p, but whether this is relevant to you may depend on what those games are, and how many of them there are.
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This.
New owner, no brainer; wait and see for upgrade.
 
MadYarpen said:
I assume there are many of us. I don't plan to buy a new TV, but I probably could sell my PS4 and buy pro.

But is it worth it? Will it give me anything? like higher quality graphics for example, but with 1080p resolution? Or better framerates?

Originally I thought I'd stick to my PS4 and wait for the scorpio to arrive. This way I'd probably be prepared for Cyberpunk. But this Horizon: Zero Dawn 4K video made me rethink this...
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Regardless of what developers do, you'll be well served at 1080p.

Whether its using 1080p and the highest graphics, 1080p and high IQ, 1080p and better FPS, or 4K checkerboard rendering downscaled to 1080p, your still going to get a good experience.
 
I would find it much more hilarious and fascinating if they somehow went out of their way and managed to make the PS4 Pro completely identical to PS4 performance on 1080p TVs.
 
The fact that 4K TVs are still not common would suggest to me that a lot of developers who bother to update their games with 'PS4 Pro' patches are going to focus just as much -- if not more so -- on frame rate. If they're going to patch their games for Pro users they probably want as many Pro uses as possible to get the advantage.

I'd be surprised, for example, if Witcher 3 or GTA V was patched to just have a new resolution and yet do nothing about the frame rate.
 
MadYarpen said:
Ok, waiting for what games offer makes sense. At the moment all is sooo mixed up for me.
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Makes a lot of sense to me and I'm getting it. No plans for an upgrade to a 4k TV anytime.

Downsampled games are gonna look amazing.

Horizon: Zero Dawn in particular, I'm really looking forward to.
 
Witcher 3 getting an update, even if just to stabilize it and make load times not total ass would probably push me over the edge. I still have like... 100 hours left in that whole thing.
 
I dont see how we wouldnt.

You'd get all the resolution (<1080p)/frame rate benefits and probably some other bells and whistles, faster load times, extra effects etc...
 
It makes perfect sense. Graphical improvements for some current games, most future games.

If you have a 4K TV, you may still want the Pro to output in 1080 for the graphical improvements and allow your TV to upscale that to 4K.

To hit native 4K the games could possibly cut some graphical features out to be able to handle it.
 
I'm on the same boat as you OP, I need to understand how things might improve for me using PS4 Pro with my current display (a Panasonic Plasma full HD TV).
I'm also interested in the performance improvements for PSVR, considering I'll buy one at launch.
 
It's like people stopped listening when they said the hdtv stuff.myes you will get improved assets etc and improved framerate.
 
To be honest the ps4 pro makes more sense for people with 1080p tvs in my opinion.

I'd always prefer higher settings and framerate than resolution.

It's why I prefer to run my rig on a 1080p tv than suffer worse performance, and lower settings at higher resolutions.
 
Bishop89 said:
I dont see how we wouldnt.

You'd get all the resolution (<1080p)/frame rate benefits and probably some other bells and whistles, faster load times, extra effects etc...
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Only if a developer deems the effort to be worth it. There's hype behind it right now because of the imminent launch, but will anyone other than Sony be going that extra mile this time next year? Monster Hunter Generations just came out, and doesn't offer any of the boosts that Monster Hunter 4 offered on the n3DS. At some point, these games are no longer being used as showcases.
 
I mainly play multiplayer games (CoD/BF etc) what will happen in those games with regards to these graphics options?

Will we just not have the option here and it will be set at whatever the PS4 is set at?

Reason I ask is because if you have extra bells and whistles you could put players at a disadvantage/advantage.
 
Daffy Duck said:
I mainly play multiplayer games (CoD/BF etc) what will happen in those games with regards to these graphics options?

Will we just not have the option here and it will be set at whatever the PS4 is set at?

Reason I ask is because if you have extra bells and whistles you could put players at a disadvantage/advantage.
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The only thing that looks certain is that framerate with be the same on both consoles.

Expect things like better AA, and perhaps higher graphical settings.

Either way it will be down to a game by game basis and entirely dependant on the dev. The only thing "enforced" as such is the framerate parity.
 
Daffy Duck said:
I mainly play multiplayer games (CoD/BF etc) what will happen in those games with regards to these graphics options?

Will we just not have the option here and it will be set at whatever the PS4 is set at?

Reason I ask is because if you have extra bells and whistles you could put players at a disadvantage/advantage.
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I supose multiplayer modes will get a "standard" framerate. Most of them right now are 60fps on multiplayer, and also some of them have a campaign at 30fps and multi at 60fps like U4 or Gears4.
 
Shaanyboi said:
Only if a developer deems the effort to be worth it. There's hype behind it right now because of the imminent launch, but will anyone other than Sony be going that extra mile this time next year? Monster Hunter Generations just came out, and doesn't offer any of the boosts that Monster Hunter 4 offered on the n3DS. At some point, these games are no longer being used as showcases.
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well i dont know about EVERY game, but i suspect at least all the high profile games would.
 
OCD Guy said:
To be honest the ps4 pro makes more sense for people with 1080p tvs in my opinion.

I'd always prefer higher settings and framerate than resolution.

It's why I prefer to run my rig on a 1080p tv than suffer worse performance, and lower settings at higher resolutions.
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Just said the same thing in another thread. Higher framerates, better looking games at 1080p for games. 4K media will be limited to Netflix and no 4K Blu ray drive for actual high quality content. Glad I didn't pick up a 4K TV this year.
 
jediyoshi said:
I would find it much more hilarious and fascinating if they somehow went out of their way and managed to make the PS4 Pro completely identical to PS4 performance on 1080p TVs.
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Given developer interviews at the event, (Guerilla, Naughty Dog, Insomniac) they all have said PS4 Pro games will look and perform better if simply being played on a regular 1080p. One stated that the console can auto-detect what TV it's hooked up to, and if it's 1080p a supersampled image will improve visual fidelity by itself.
 
Shaanyboi said:
Only if a developer deems the effort to be worth it. There's hype behind it right now because of the imminent launch, but will anyone other than Sony be going that extra mile this time next year? Monster Hunter Generations just came out, and doesn't offer any of the boosts that Monster Hunter 4 offered on the n3DS. At some point, these games are no longer being used as showcases.
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This is a very fair point.

However, there's a couple of things to consider (and conversely set expectations accordingly). In the leaked documents, there was talks that all titles post-October would be required a PS4 Pro mode.

Now, I'm sure this mandate can easily be fulfilled and we'll see plenty of games that have little to no differences between the PS4 and Pro modes.

But, if it's easy enough, and there is room overhead, I expect most games will simply opt to go for a higher resolution and downsample that to 1080p while maintaining most other effects and settings, if not slightly higher PC version equivalents.

And personally, that as an expectation is something I'm completely fine with (actually, I want every game downsampled, so it's a dream come true).

Again, this is based on the leaked mandate and ease of use. You raise a very good point and it's impossible to tell until it all plays out.
 
In my opinion, the benefits of PS4 Pro for non-UHD screens at 1080p does not outweigh the price point for the machine for someone who already owns a PS4.

I also don't think it warrants the price point for someone just coming into PS4 with no intention of upgrading their screen, either. They can get a PS4 slim or a pre-owned PS4 for much cheaper and still have the same library of games to play.
 
Jinketsu said:
In my opinion, the benefits of PS4 Pro for non-UHD screens at 1080p does not outweigh the price point for the machine for someone who already owns a PS4.

I also don't think it warrants the price point for someone just coming into PS4 with no intention of upgrading their screen, either. They can get a PS4 slim or a pre-owned PS4 for much cheaper and still have the same library of games to play.
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You're right.

But then again there are people (like myself) who exchanged their consoles when the cuh-1200 landed, and that was just for a slight improvement in noise (and the all matte finish)

The pro is a no brainer for me personally. I would always want the best possible performance regardless of how small that difference is.

I'm sure the slim will sell very well to mainstream gamers, and the more "hardcore" will pick up the pro.
 
Really wait for some screen comparaison, to see if there is really an improvement (downsampling, effects, framerate), and if studios really play the game with the boost perf
And return about loudness

OGPS4 + 200/250€ still an investment...
 
The way they're leaving it up to developers, I would wait and see. As far as I know they only thing Sony is mandating is that developers need to have a separate Neo mode; there's nothing saying that they have to make the game run better for you on a 1080p TV. Some devs will, some devs won't.
 
It would be ideal if devs gave the option of 4k30 or FullHd60 but I can't see it.

For some reason they think everybody wants 4k here and now.
 
OCD Guy said:
The only thing that looks certain is that framerate with be the same on both consoles.
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This is something I don't fully understand.

Games drop frames because the machine can't keep up with the refresh rate. Digital Foundy wrote an interesting article about how the XboxS is a slightly faster machine, so just keeps up with 30fps a little better on some games. Why wouldn't the Pro have an easier time hitting a 30fps cap, reasonably easily, on a game like Neverwinter PS4 where the PS4 Original absolutely can't keep up?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...as-a-gpu-overclock-and-we-have-benchmarked-it

I would have thought that games that "utilise dynamic resolution and/or unlocked frame-rates" will more-or-less automatically run better on the Pro. This would be a big reason for me to upgrade. Neverwinter is a good example of a game that is very clunky in some areas on the current PS4.
 
I think it makes more sense for people with 1080p tvs than 4K tvs. I would assume the games are scaled to 4k and not all will be native 4K. The extra bells and whistles for a 1080p setting like Tomb Raider's sounds good to me. Stable 30fps is also good. The console doesn't even play 4K blu rays so I feel that 4K owners are the ones not getting the juice that their tv deserves.

I just hope that devs will put in the effort to have good upgrades for the Pro. We won't want to end up with a N3DS, where very few games take advantage of the added advantages.
 
Ruddles72 said:
This is something I don't fully understand.

Games drop frames because the machine can't keep up with the refresh rate. Digital Foundy wrote an interesting article about how the XboxS is a slightly faster machine, so just keeps up with 30fps a little better on some games.

Why wouldn't the Pro have an easier time hitting a 30fps cap, reasonably easily, on a game like Neverwinter PS4 where the PS4 Original absolutely can't keep up?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...as-a-gpu-overclock-and-we-have-benchmarked-it
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It's more a general framerate target for parity. While the pro may hold a more stable framerate, that won't create a difference anywhere near as pronounced as 60fps vs 30fps.

Following on from your point though it got me thinking about something, patches aside I wonder what sort of difference we'll see (if any) playing a "normal" game on the Pro vs the OG PS4. For example on a pc if I play X game at X settings with two different gpus the performance will be different.

So while devs can patch in Pro modes to allow users to select different settings, e.g they may patch in a mode that will allow users at 1080p to have more AA, and x16 AF, will playing a game like Just Cause 3 unpatched provide a better framerate on the Pro? I'm looking forward to finding out. Afterall a 980ti provides better performance than a 780 even if you leave the graphical settings the same on a certain game.
 
Totolariko said:
Really wait for some screen comparaison, to see if there is really an improvement (downsampling, effects, framerate), and if studios really play the game with the boost perf
And return about loudness

OGPS4 + 200/250€ still an investment...
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I'm really surprised I haven't been able to find any so far online, that probably says something about how "big" a difference it is.
 
It makes a ton of sense on a 1080p TV - they did a bad job communicating this.

That's like asking "is there a difference between FXAA and Super-Sampling"

It should be much cleaner.
 
I think if you don't have a 4k TV you should probably wait until after release to see what 3rd parties do with it. They have the ability to bump things up for the new hardware, but they'll be doing so entirely at their discretion. We really won't be able to measure the value until we start to see trends post-release.
 
dark10x said:
It makes a ton of sense on a 1080p TV - they did a bad job communicating this.

That's like asking "is there a difference between FXAA and Super-Sampling"

It should be much cleaner.
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I'm really looking forward to you and your colleagues testing.

I'm especially interested in seeing if there is much difference in framerate on the pro vs the original PS4 in unpatched games.

In theory the Pro should provide better performance on a game like Just Cause 3 with regards to framerate right?

I appreciate that yes devs can patch in "pro modes" that allow a user to select a mode that enables higher levels of AA etc but patches aside a better gpu should in theory provide better levels of performance.

As I mentioned earlier when I upgraded from a 780 to a 980ti certain games had noticeable inmprovements to framerates at the same settings. Obviously the 980ti allowed me to then increase certain settings, but like for like settings the 980ti provided a noticeable bump in performance to the framerate.
 
Goddamn, you can't have enough PS4 Pro, right?

LOOK THIS PS4 PRO GAME IT'S BEAUTIFUL
WILL YOU BUY IT
PLEASE BUY IT I CAN'T TELL YOU I WORK AT SONY BUT I NEED IT
BISH AND EVILORE WANT ME TO BUY IT AND I WILL COMMIT TO THEM
OH IT WON'T HAVE 4K BLU-RAY WHICH SONY DEVELOPED, WHO CARES? #4theplayers
RESOLUTION IS BETTER THAN FRAMERATE
I LOVE MY PS4 AND I'M SO IGNORANT THAT I NEED A $2000 PC TO MAKE IT RUN LIKE A PRE-RENDERED SCENE OF A GAME THAT WON'T LOOK LIKE THAT AT LAUNCH
OH YES I'LL PAY EXTRA $10 A YEAR FOR MORE SHITTY GAMES THROUGH PS PLUS (and those PC peasants who don't pay in Steam don't support it) AND FOR AN ONLINE SERVICE THAT HAS THE WORST SECURITY AMONG ALL COMPETITORS
KNACK WILL BE GREAT
THE ORDER 1886 WILL BE GREAT
NO MAN'S SKY WILL BE GREAT
[Insert next hyped to death game] WILL BE GREAT
TRUMP IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL IN THIS WORLD AND HILLARY IS A SAINT AND BLABLABLA


What a pathetic bunch of fags you are. Admit it damn it, you are not Sony fanboys, you are their shills, and you are so stupid that you will do it for FREE and won't even complain.
 
JustenP88 said:
I think if you don't have a 4k TV you should probably wait until after release to see what 3rd parties do with it. They have the ability to bump things up for the new hardware, but they'll be doing so entirely at their discretion. We really won't be able to measure the value until we start to see trends post-release.
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Yeah, that seems the safest bet.
 
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