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PS4 reselling dilemmas, strategies, and more...

You resellers make me sick along with the those who give in to these people.


Also, I might as well ask here.
How good of a chance do I have of picking up a PS4 day one/zero without a preorder. The earliest I can camp out is 4pm. I didn't have a job at the time when preorders were up, but now I'm making a nice bit of money with hardly any living expenses.

Please tell me BB will have a surplus.

Locate a town close to you that isn't heavily populated. Talk to them and make sure they are getting units in and find out what the details are about how to get one. I "camped" a walmart for a few systems in my small town and always got the system at midnight with only have to wait about two hours.

Also, most walmarts will hand out number tickets in advance so you don't have to wait around.
 
This isn't even funny because last year tgere was an incident like this except for burning house down and murdering a family. This guy had a ps3 and he was swapping it for an iPhone. He meets this guy up at the 7-eleven, has a struggle with the dude that had the iPhone because he was trying to rob him. Guy pulls out a gun and shoots the kid over a ps3. He gets in his car and it ensues a cop chase through a few towns before he got caught. The guy with the iPhone was from the ghetto. He came in a middle class town looking to rob this guy. I'm always eBay or nothing, not worth getting killed.

I won't even use Ebay anymore. It's just not worth it unless the potential profit is enormous.

Not for many of the big retailers. They don't want to lose on competitors like Amazon, who offer no restocking fees.

I don't know if it's because I'm a prime member or what, but Amazon doesn't even charge me return shipping.
 
People upset at the OP should also be upset at every retailer in existence...

Well, this does bring up an interesting point to me. You go to the store in search of a PS4 for either yourself or as a gift. You're not expecting to find one, because you know they're sold out. But then you find a unit, you get up to the checkout, the person scans it and says "that'll be $600 plus tax." You argue that the PS4 only costs $400, show them Sony's website, and they respond "that was before inventory was scarce." Are you on board with a major retailer selling the unit for well above MSRP?
 
Why should this get locked? Just because you don't agree with the practice? Many people feel there is nothing wrong with flipping consoles. It's not inherently evil. If you don't like the practice just move on. There's no reason why console flippers can't come together on GAF and discuss strategies for flipping consoles

For the same reason, threads of the same topic get locked. There is a thread for this already. B/S/T pretty much covers the topic.
 
You resellers make me sick along with the those who give in to these people.


Also, I might as well ask here.
How good of a chance do I have of picking up a PS4 day one/zero without a preorder. The earliest I can camp out is 4pm. I didn't have a job at the time when preorders were up, but now I'm making a nice bit of money with hardly any living expenses.

Please tell me BB will have a surplus.

Visit this thread my friend. Some info for us non-preordering fools.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=713675&highlight=
 
I'll give the OP some advice.

It's a once-every-7-year phenomenon, so sell it. You sound like you're not that interested so make some extra cash. Buyer is happy, you're happy, and these things aren't going anywhere so you can always buy one later.

The window is small but you might as well take advantage because it won't last.

Sell it on CraigsList, meet in person AT A BANK. In the lobby preferably. Tons of cameras covering every possible corner and possibly an armed security guard to boot. I've sold and bought hundreds of items on Craigslit and electronics are by far the most likely to draw out the skeevy types, especially with a hot product like this. Nobody will try shit if you ask to meet in a bank and they're everywhere so nobody is going out of their way.

It's one thing selling a washing machine or a desk to some lady, which I have no problem allowing I to my home after a phone call and quick discussion. Selling electronics though I've found to bring out the dregs of society.

Be careful and good luck!
 
Question for those opposed to what the OP is doing; how is this any different from what, say, Target is doing?

Target didn't have a hand in making the console nor did they didn't buy the consoles to play them. They were purchased with the sole intent of selling it higher than they paid for it. Why is one OK and the other not?
 
But you're not actually selling your PS4. So all you're doing is getting the buyer's hopes up and wasting their time.

Your line of thinking would make sense if you actually planned to sell your console at a lower price.

The idea is to have legitimate units sold for less (because prices are driven down) or returned to the store within 30 days for actual buyers/gamers.

it wasn't meant to be taken too seriously, and if you are too concerned about breaking the hearts of children at christmas, it may not be the solution for you.
 
For the same reason, threads of the same topic get locked. There is a thread for this already. B/S/T pretty much covers the topic.

This is a big event though. Much bigger than the B/S/T thread can handle. A lot of people (myself included) do not go to Gaming Community. We need this thread front and center!
 
Yeah, I think you're a little paranoid. If something seems shady with the person you're dealing with, back out. I've never had to, and I've never had any problems. I doubt someone would mug you for a PS4. You don't see people getting mugged for iphones that often, and you can make a decent profit on those too.

If you do Craigslist, always meet in the parking lot of a police station. Better safe than sorry.
 
Well, this does bring up an interesting point to me. You go to the store in search of a PS4 for either yourself or as a gift. You're not expecting to find one, because you know they're sold out. But then you find a unit, you get up to the checkout, the person scans it and says "that'll be $600 plus tax." You argue that the PS4 only costs $400, show them Sony's website, and they respond "that was before inventory was scarce." Are you on board with a major retailer selling the unit for well above MSRP?

The retailers do this in a way. I payed 1k for my 360 from walmart because they bundled it with some stereo equipment IIRC. Luckily I could simply go to the store and return it. I'm betting the retailers would mark it up even without bundles if they didn't have a deal with sony.
 
This is a big event though. Much bigger than the B/S/T thread can handle. A lot of people (myself included) do not go to Gaming Community. We need this thread front and center!

Obviously I'm no mod so I don't have a say in it. It's just my thoughts on it. I'm not trying to make a big fuss, sorry.
 
You resellers make me sick along with the those who give in to these people.


Also, I might as well ask here.
How good of a chance do I have of picking up a PS4 day one/zero without a preorder. The earliest I can camp out is 4pm. I didn't have a job at the time when preorders were up, but now I'm making a nice bit of money with hardly any living expenses.

Please tell me BB will have a surplus.

Best Buy does have surplus but it varies wildly store to store. One store near me is getting close to 180 but have about 154 preorders while another is getting like 107 but they have only 47 preorders. I would call the store and see if they can give you those numbers
 
Well, this does bring up an interesting point to me. You go to the store in search of a PS4 for either yourself or as a gift. You're not expecting to find one, because you know they're sold out. But then you find a unit, you get up to the checkout, the person scans it and says "that'll be $600 plus tax." You argue that the PS4 only costs $400, show them Sony's website, and they respond "that was before inventory was scarce." Are you on board with a major retailer selling the unit for well above MSRP?

While I personally wouldn't shop at a place like that, that retailer is well within their rights to do that; after all MSRP is only a suggested price.

I think the only reason we don't see retailers doing this is because they have a reputation to adhere to and getting a couple extra bucks isn't worth losing a customer forever
 
Scalpers aren't a problem if you pre-order.
I don't see what people are so up-in-arms about.

I get some people are morally against the idea of pre-ordering too. Even on Amazon, where you aren't charged until it ships. But by not pre-ordering you are running the risk of not getting a unit at launch.
 
You gotta operate the easy way
"I made a G today" But you made it in a sleazy way
Selling consoles for the kids. "I gotta get paid"
Well hey, well that's the way it is
 
Well, this does bring up an interesting point to me. You go to the store in search of a PS4 for either yourself or as a gift. You're not expecting to find one, because you know they're sold out. But then you find a unit, you get up to the checkout, the person scans it and says "that'll be $600 plus tax." You argue that the PS4 only costs $400, show them Sony's website, and they respond "that was before inventory was scarce." Are you on board with a major retailer selling the unit for well above MSRP?

They used to exist before Ebay. 2nd hand sellers were all over the place. I remember several local video game shops in the 90's would sell their game system over MSRP because they couldn't get them from Nintendo/Sega.
 
Thanks for the history lesson, though i wouldn't pat yourself on the back too much. Making a profit off of an item you had no investment in designing, constructing, marketing, or distributing strikes me as bullshit theft.

Lets not get into the historic risks involved with "bartering" spices, silk, jewels, animals, humans, weaponry, etc etc etc. Clicking a button an Amazon (little to no risk) and then flipping said item for a profit is petty. Don't argue otherwise.

I will argue otherwise. Whether or not you like retail does this very activity, they buy something by clicking buttons and then resell it at a profit. It's far less bullshit than collecting rents which makes up such an enormous part of our sad economy.

Also the person is clearly taking part in the distribution. If Amazon makes 15% on each PS4 that comes to 60 bucks. If the buyer wants fast shipping it will cost them 8 bucks. The buyer then needs to put in time to find someone to resell the unit. This takes time. And if you are dealing with people on CL it takes a lot of time to communicate with flakes. Then one needs to make the exchange and there is no way that any sane person can say that this part of the deal has little to no risk when cash and an item that cost the seller at least 400 + tax. One also needs to arrange to actually receive the item. This could entail waiting at one's home on a work day or even driving to the shipping company to pick up an item that could not be delivered. This time also has value and you cannot argue otherwise.

Best case scenario which is how my deal went down last night after posting here and doing research on ebay. ( To me it is more about seeing what I could do given that I had an extra unit so you could add market research to the above list of things that need to be done outside of hitting a button) Anyway, the deal last night. Went on Amazon, found message board during lunch, posted to it saying I had a unit up for grabs. ( 3 minutes). Came back home after work saw reply, posted reply with my email ( 1 minute). Received email asking how much, sent screenshot, asked for address waited for reply ( 2 minutes effort, 10 minutes waiting near the computer when I would rather be in the living room). Read reply, made an offer with a price: cost + $50, ( 15 minutes I was so close to saying at cost but I kept coming back to how much time this would take). Read email accepting that and asking how to complete transaction ( < 1 min). Composed email response detailing how to get Amazon gift credit, how I could change address, asking what information he required to be able to trust me. ( 20 min I take my time when I write to make sure nothing dickish sounding slips in unintentionally). He replied revealing that he was a little uneasy about it but since he wanted it he said he would accept a picture of my CCard with only last 4 digits showing. I one upped that by giving a picture with my CCard and my license that had some details edited. ( ~ 20 minutes to get camera, take picture, put SD card into computer, realize first picture sucked, take second pic, etc). Then I waited an hour or so for him to get home after work. At this point I had to walk him through the gift card purchase and change the address. It took over 30 minutes to do this because he asked for my B1G1 code and I tried to see if I could re-use it to add some games to the system and that I had to jump through hoops to change the address.

With those totals the whole transaction took me 102 minutes of my life directed solely at "flipping" a preorder for $50 bucks. Add to that posting here, on CL, looking at ebay, etc and it adds the fuck up. My paycheck says I make more than that per hour doing much more interesting things. Granted my motivation was to see that someone got the unit instead of it going back into the pool, but my point is that for a very simple, low risk transaction it took me a lot of valuable time to complete. I would not begrudge anyone for trying to make a quick grab of a couple of hundred bucks for a couple of hours of work.

Time is money and there is no free lunch when it comes to this shit. It's not worth it financially to someone with a real job. Flip this thing around. What about a parent looking for a PS4? Scalpers will not have so many that every store would have them otherwise unless it tanks like the WiiU. How much time would a parent have to spend calling stores, going to the mall, looking online, etc? If they want one for their kid, a couple of hundred extra bucks is cheap compared to working to find one.

When I was younger and poorer, I hated scalpers because my perception of money was a little different. Now I think it is not worth the time unless its a 100% return.
 
LOL @ the unethical talk. I don't get it. Everyone has an equal chance to pre-order or wake their ass up and stand in line. What one person wants to do with their console is their own business. Is it unethical for any store to ever sell a product? GTFO with that hippie nonsense.

Anyways, when your PS4 comes, put it up on Amazon for some stupid high price to see if some idiot jumps. If 1-2 days pass and your price seems crazy out of line compared to others, adjust it. If it doesn't sell, worse come to worst, just return it for a full refund or keep it.
 
Scalpers aren't a problem if you pre-order.
I don't see what people are so up-in-arms about.

I get some people are morally against the idea of pre-ordering too. Even on Amazon, where you aren't charged until it ships. But by not pre-ordering you are running the risk of not getting a unit at launch.

I don't think pre-ordering mitigates every concern. Not everyone knows months in advance whether they're going to want/be able to afford such an expensive object. And if one's response to that is "you preorder it anyway as there's no risk," then I think it kind of undermines -- at least in my mind -- what preordering is intended to do. I view preorders more as a commitment to purchase as opposed to "I might want it so I better preorder." Now, you may disagree, but I think that if every single person who was even remotely considering buying an item up for preorder followed through, the preorder system would be useless.
 
This is why I've been considering going the local route with Craigslist, Backpage, or Kijiji. There would still be plenty of PS4 listings on them but not nearly the flood that you'll see on places like Amazon and eBay. You also don't have to pay fees if doing it via the local routes... you get cold hard cash. Sure it's more risky but you can just meet at a public place.

Your call on that one. Personally I find it too much a risk and everyone is on edge the entire time, plus the odds of a physical confrontation are far higher when there's no escrow to assist in the transaction. But, whatever works.
 
Question for those opposed to what the OP is doing; how is this any different from what, say, Target is doing?

Target didn't have a hand in making the console nor did they didn't buy the consoles to play them. They were purchased with the sole intent of selling it higher than they paid for it. Why is one OK and the other not?

Target is a business with a massive infrastructure that caters towards the consumer. The convenience such stores afford consumers comes at a very real cost to the retailer. Those costs (real estate, buildings, marketing, staff, maintenance, shipping, insurance) are covered by marking up the items they sell. Scalpers have no such "investment" in the retail ecosystem... they support no economy outside of their own profit, which is why the "scalping is capitalism" argument does not have legs to stand on. i.e. my first post in this thread regarding the ethics of scalping.
 
If anyone is to blame, it's Microsoft or Sony for creating a larger desire for the console, and not implementing any sort of real world DRM. Basically, whoever purchases the console should be tied to it for it's entire existence. If the console ever enters another home which is not the confirmed address, Sony/MS should pull the plug.

This is what GAF wants.
 
Get a job, then you don't have to do poor people things like scalping.

PS3 $500 profit
iPhone 4- $250 profit
iPhone 5- $300 profit
iPhone 5s-$250 profit



I've probably made close to $3000 doing this (started with the PS3). I buy when preorders start and sell right after launch (usually 3-5 days after) All online too so little time wasted. Somebody has to have the latest and greatest yet they don't put any effort into getting it preordered and they are willing to pay over MSRP. I have no problem selling to them. The wealthy always win and if I can make some easy money off of them I have no problem doing it.
 
Target is a business with a massive infrastructure that caters towards the consumer. The convenience such stores afford consumers comes at a very real cost to the retailer. Those costs (real estate, buildings, marketing, staff, maintenance, shipping, insurance) are covered by marking up the items they sell. Scalpers have no such "investment" in the retail ecosystem... they support no economy outside of their own profit, which is why the "scalping is capitalism" argument does not have legs to stand on. i.e. my first post in this thread regarding the ethics of scalping.

But....but it is capitalism.
 
If anyone is to blame, it's Microsoft or Sony for creating a larger desire for the console, and not implementing any sort of real world DRM. Basically, whoever purchases the console should be tied to it for it's entire existence. If the console ever enters another home which is not the confirmed address, Sony/MS should pull the plug.

This is what GAF wants.

I like you.
 
Target is a business with a massive infrastructure that caters towards the consumer. The convenience such stores afford consumers comes at a very real cost to the retailer. Those costs (real estate, buildings, marketing, staff, maintenance, shipping, insurance) are covered by marking up the items they sell. Scalpers have no such "investment" in the retail ecosystem... they support no economy outside of their own profit, which is why the "scalping is capitalism" argument does not have legs to stand on. i.e. my first post in this thread regarding the ethics of scalping.


The bolded section is only part of the story. Businesses don't operate just to break even; they exist for the sole purpose of making more money than they spend. So after all those costs are taken care of, there will still be X amount of dollars that is pure profit.

Also, how do you know the situation that the scalper is in? They may be doing this to make money so they can pay their rent, car note, insurance, light bill, etc.
 
so is tripling the price of gas after a natural disaster.

Gas is a necessity, this is not. I don't necessarily like the practice, but if there are people out there willing to crater their wallets for a toy they can get at the retail price after the holiday season, that's their decision.
 
I do find it funny that this thread has turned into a discussion about ethics instead of addressing the OT. Maybe time for a title change for thread?
 
so is tripling the price of gas after a natural disaster.

This is an accurate statement. I'm pretty sure that no one will go without generator and/or car power if they don't get their hands on a PS4 at launch though, which is why there aren't laws forbidding such practices.
 
But....but it is capitalism.

People's hate for scalping blinds them to rational thought sometimes. I can understand why people don't like the practice but it is a non-essential item that most can probably obtain for MSRP in a few days/months. Especially once you consider how many Sony produced this year (insert antoniobanderaswarehouse.gif here).

I am sure there will be marked up consoles this year but considering the supply and the price the risk may too great for most people to attempt to scalp the consoles for a good profit.
 
This is an accurate statement. I'm pretty sure that no one will go without generator and/or car power if they don't get their hands on a PS4 at launch though, which is why there aren't laws forbidding such practices.
so if you agree that capitalism is not ethical purely by virtue of being capitalism, what was your point?
 
I was surprised that there were 2 locals who wanted to buy my PS4 from Amazon for $550.

Made me wish I didn't sell them to members of Neogaf for $50 profit, but I fear I wouldn't be able to sell all 4 of them in time.
 
A Game Stop employee told me the other day that several people have informed him that they plan on being outside the store when the console releases to try and buy one off a scalper. Some people have told him they are willing to spend as much as 2,000 in cash that night.

I don't know how much faith I put into this story. It could be BS. However, if someone comes up to me and offers me even 1,000 I'd be stupid to not do it.
 
Think you're either gonna get real lucky or burned by the PS4. Sony needs to have a leg up on their competition, which means having as many consoles available during the holiday season. You may get lucky the first couple of weeks, I think it's a mistake to wait for the holiday rush.
 
People's hate for scalping blinds them to rational thought sometimes. I can understand why people don't like the practice but it is a non-essential item that most can probably obtain for MSRP in a few days/months. Especially once you consider how many Sony produced this year (insert antoniobanderaswarehouse.gif here).

I am sure there will be marked up consoles this year but considering the supply and the price the risk may too great for most people to attempt to scalp the consoles for a good profit.

I got gouged out the ass by Sears for an Xbox 360 because I was an impatient teenager with more money than sense. I understood why they did it then, and I understand why people would want to do it now.

Is the demand even there for the PS4 to make scalping worth it? I thought there was a lot more hype for the PS3 launch.

$200 before paypal/ebay/tax is the current going rate. Honestly, unless you're turning over multiple PS4's like the guy earlier in the thread, no. It's not worth it currently.

so if you agree that capitalism is not ethical purely by virtue of being capitalism, what was your point?

I misread his post as saying that scalping being capitalism wasn't a worthwhile argument. I've been up for...quite a long time at this point (going to nap after deciding whether or not to do the B2G1 deal at Amazon in 18 minutes).
 
With the vastness of PS4 stock Sony has I forsee little market for reselling but perhaps I'm mistaken

Still I doubt it will ever reach that high a mark-up
 
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