That really depends on how the sales compare to the 360 for a longer time period. If we just compare the first 3 months of the system, then Xbox One is doing much better than the 360, despite selling less in January. The panic might be premature.
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PS4 sales have surpassed 5.3 million units according to Sony (As of Feb 8)
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That really depends on how the sales compare to the 360 for a longer time period. If we just compare the first 3 months of the system, then Xbox One is doing much better than the 360, despite selling less in January. The panic might be premature.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
Price cuts aren't happening while demand is still this high.
Imperfected
Member
The Wii-U one wasn't realistic, either. No one* actually believed Wonderful 101 was going to be anything more than a niche exclusive title, and very few people are out there who believed that Bayonetta 2 or Wii Fit U would significantly change the console's fortunes. That's, you know, sort of the point: the chalkboard is making fun of how utterly delusional some people can be when it comes to this sort of thing.
The "realistic" Wii-U Chalkboard would have been, "Super Mario 3D World will save the Wii-U" and basically nothing else.
*Standard GAF Disclaimer: Someone believed it, but it's not as if there's a sanity test you have to pass to post here. There's always going to be "that guy".
Protomanx13
Neo Member
The Wii U has been around for one year and three months. Not exactly two years
But yeah, quite embarrassing for Nintendo. Especially coming from the successful Wii. So far the biggest popularity drop in console history.
Wasn't the Atari 5200 even worst since Atari 2600 out live it
SwiftDeath
Member
It really depends on how US-centric a console can be and develop a large enough install base to hit the internal profit projections that MS has forecasted. Clearly MS was perfectly fine with accepting "2nd place" launching at that price point, so they wanted to make their money off of other areas than just straight game sales.
But with the UK market even more in PS4 favor than the US market and the rest of the world clearly going PS4 strongly, MS has little ground to be made up elsewhere.
Assuming they up their game and manage to do 1:1 to PS4 in the US, or hell 3 XB1:2 PS4 in the US, is that enough of an install base for MS to hit their internal profit numbers?
I don't see a PS4 price drop in 2014. My guess is E3 2015 being the earliest.
People being realistic that Japan console market have significantly shrunk down and lack of strong launch line-up. At least it apply for the first year, we don't really what might happened after that if let's say, Sony managed to bring middle tier developer from handheld back to console. The main reason why handheld turned into king last generation is because PS3 slow start, and HD transition mess which make many developers flocked into handheld. Smartphones gaming there is big, but I don't think it eats away console market audience, just handheld.
First pricedrop will come with arrival of 1GB GDDR5 chips. That will happen during 2015.
Second pricedrop will come when they manage to shrink APU to smaller size.
Wildcard pricedrop will come if they decide to release SKU with ~128GB of flash [no HDD].
^this.
The PS2 didn't get its first price cut in the U.S. until a year and a half in. Most other consoles get a price cut around 6 months in. If the PS4 continues to do PS2 or Wii numbers it would be in their best interest to maximize revenue.
anexanhume
Member
I don't see how a 128GB flash drive helps when they're at $0.50/GB at their cheapest still. They have to half again to make that even against a 500GB HDD.
APU shrink could also happen in 2015 once 20nm availability rises and cost settles.
While it is outpacing the 360, that console was supply contrained initially unlike the Xbox One.
badcrumble
Member
The 360 didn't really take off until people realized how poor a product the launch PS3 was, from what I can remember. Its first year was a pretty typical launch drought.
A few months ago I would have questioned the wisdom of a SKU that can only accommodate the installation of two retail games... and then I saw people buying 12GB PS3's every time I went Christmas shopping.
Anyway, nice to see good news with all the portents of doom lately. By the time PS4 hits year one on the market, we should be seeing some really amazing stuff like we did with PS2.
Really? Should be interesting indeed.
Omnistalgic
Member
Please let this mean the return of Japan devs and mid-tier games...
Dragon Quest, star ocean, rouge galaxy, dark cloud, mark of kri, primal, etc...
Bring out the inspiration ps4!
Dragon Quest, star ocean, rouge galaxy, dark cloud, mark of kri, primal, etc...
Bring out the inspiration ps4!
DragonSworne
Banned
Rapid production cost cuts more like it. Nintendo abused consumers for years with high Win prices, it will be really tough for Sony not to take the same approach for as long as possible.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
This E3 will either solidify the trend we are currently seeing or Microsoft stops the bleeding. MS flipping the tables really isn't likely. It is really Sony's game to lose at this point. It is weird saying that so early but it really does look like the first two years of this cycle are that easy to predict.
In my opinion, a positive outlook for the Xbox One for the February and March sales looks like:
Feb: 200k
March: 500k
February and March doesn't just have to increase sales through Titanfall to "acceptable" levels -- it has to show that perhaps people were not buying the console because they were waiting for the game.
And then, of course, we need to see what happens in April.
Feb: 200k
March: 500k
February and March doesn't just have to increase sales through Titanfall to "acceptable" levels -- it has to show that perhaps people were not buying the console because they were waiting for the game.
And then, of course, we need to see what happens in April.
airmangataosenai
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Just to be clear, it's not actually at 5.9 million.
Wickerbasket
Member
For that to happen it would have to become really popular in Japan.
Fingers crossed.
UnObtainium17
Member
Goddamn people at EA must be shedding tears right now
BrokenIcarus
Member
I'm sure even in March XB1 won't outsell PS4 world wide.
Not with MGS and Infamous arriving in the same month.
Anecdotal, but I know quite a few people that held out untill either Infamous or MGS, while I don't know anyone that's getting an Xbox for Titanfall.
What I could imagine however is XB1 outselling PS4 in march in the USA.
I suspect both consoles will get around a 25%+ boost from February to March.
Not with MGS and Infamous arriving in the same month.
Anecdotal, but I know quite a few people that held out untill either Infamous or MGS, while I don't know anyone that's getting an Xbox for Titanfall.
What I could imagine however is XB1 outselling PS4 in march in the USA.
I suspect both consoles will get around a 25%+ boost from February to March.
It has Dragon Quest and Monster Hunter!!!!!
1 week from now, we'll know the Japanese launch results.
Ser Pounce
Member
Since launch I've been looking at buying a PS4 in March thinking stock would definitely be steady by then. Now I'm doubting that and worried I'll have to do a lot of searching before finding one.
Wow it's gonna be a while before Sony price drops the PS4 unless current demand levels suddenly drop off or MS force a move by seriously cutting price of XB1 (I mean to levels where MS would make big loss per console sold ).
No wonder I still can't find a bloody vertical stand in stock anywhere near me - the official one is harder to find that the PS4 itself.
Gotta say if MS doesn't make a bold move soon the PS4 is going to have so much momentum and install base market share they're never going to have a hope of catching it globally. Of course given Wii U position MS might be happy to take second place globally so long as they feel they are shifting enough XB1s.
No wonder I still can't find a bloody vertical stand in stock anywhere near me - the official one is harder to find that the PS4 itself.
Gotta say if MS doesn't make a bold move soon the PS4 is going to have so much momentum and install base market share they're never going to have a hope of catching it globally. Of course given Wii U position MS might be happy to take second place globally so long as they feel they are shifting enough XB1s.
I'm sure there wiping them away with the crispy 100 dollar bills from the semi truck out back from MS HQ.
rokkerkory
Member
Man 12m by end of this year? Great job
StrongArmSteady
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it was available world-wide
shadowfall
Member
Congratulations Sony. Glad to see good numbers. I hope we see PS2 numbers again.
I've been saying this with you, along with many others. Which is why I think they should be pushing all 3 versions for maximum sales on all of their platforms. It would help make Titanfall a new impact IP like they want for it.
Buying it as you suggest above at retail $740 plus tax for Titanfall. Not saying Titanfall won't help XB1 sales but to think over 350k isn't realistic imo. Nor is the game going to completely change the XB1sales for the better permanently. Only a steady stream of services and game content over time will change that.
I haven't really checked for PS4 availability. 5.3 million is a ton. They're shipping systems fine. It's that demand is so high. I am really going to make an effort to get one in March, even with no games. I can play any of the f2p games and in April get Infamous and I'll be certainly be setup to move my PS3 account for Final Fantasy XIV ARR to PS4 version permanently for free. Thank PSN for P3 $10 Final Fantasy XIV ARR sale a month or two back.
Great numbers, they're on track for 7m units for the fiscal year ending March.
I don't expect an official price drop this year either. My guess is 299$ in mid to late 2015.
But the first internal redesign is coming out later this year and they will cut their costs down considerably. So we'll get more aggressive bundles and offers starting from this fall and that's not considering independent retailer promotions.
I don't expect an official price drop this year either. My guess is 299$ in mid to late 2015.
But the first internal redesign is coming out later this year and they will cut their costs down considerably. So we'll get more aggressive bundles and offers starting from this fall and that's not considering independent retailer promotions.
UnObtainium17
Member
Right after December figures last year I predicted 20mil (i doubt I posted it here tho lol). Reaching 12mil is not that difficult and very likely. They could easily sell 5mil in Nov-dec of this year if they can produce that fast.
Dragonborn
Member
I don't see it. I think the X1 will do a repeat of Jan in Feb, 140-170k. Then the Titanfall boost in March should get it to 250-300k. Then it'll drop right back down in April until a price cut hits. On the bright side, that means that they should be done selling their Dec. stock by late March/Early April.
BundysFeet
Banned
I'm quite impressed with how well the PS4 has been selling up to this point. While there isn't too much software available yet, it's obvious that that is coming. The hardware really is fantastic and it just seems to work.
Yep. In addition to it being in short supply until march, 360 sold pretty meh I think through the doldrum months. It sold like an Xbox. I remember the arguments.
It took off in November of that year if I remember right. PS3 was so shitty.
Alebrije
Member
Nice to see PS brand returning to these levels , do not hate os dislike Xbox but Playstation is a brand that provides the kind of games that you hardly will see on a MS console ; games like Folklore , Journey , Flower, Ico , SOC , even the Demons/Dark Souls games are here thanks to Sony´s way of see the videogame industry. Not all is FPS and COD clones.
Maybe if PS4 hits japan "hard" we will see new or at least better JRPG, surely no the way we had them on the PS2 era but better than the PS3.
Saddly here in Mexico the console is expensive , so I will wait unitl June / July to get one , maybe I can get a bundle but due to the high success of the console donot expect a price drop , even here.
Maybe if PS4 hits japan "hard" we will see new or at least better JRPG, surely no the way we had them on the PS2 era but better than the PS3.
Saddly here in Mexico the console is expensive , so I will wait unitl June / July to get one , maybe I can get a bundle but due to the high success of the console donot expect a price drop , even here.
LookAtMeGo
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I sold my 360 to get a ps3... i bought a 360 again not long after.
Dragonborn
Member
I think it largely depends on how the market reacts. If the X1, with a price cut, starts selling on par or even higher than the PS4 (I doubt either very much), Sony might react. It's a dangerous game for MS, they need a price cut soon, so let's say they do one in June for E3 and pick up in sales. Sony sees this and decides they can do one themselves so they cut the PS4 to $299-$350 for the Holidays. A $299 Ps4 would do much more damage to a $399 X1 than a $399 PS4 to a $499 X1, in my opinion at least.
Any way we look at it, MS has backed themselves into quite the corner.
UnObtainium17
Member
Do we have numbers of how many ps4's are made every month?
Dead Prince
Banned
Not enough.