But what about QA?
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PS4's AF issue we need answers!
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But what about QA?
QA obviously wasn't working as intended for those few examples in this thread.
PoweredByHentai
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I don't think QA's "list of things to look for" includes "taking a good, loooooooong look at the ground."
geordiemp
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The games that don't have it are not exactly polished good developers on Ps4 are they....!
When I see basic stuff missing in games, I know the dev does not care about the Ps4 version...
I expect there to be other issues whether in AI, balancing, play...or whatever....I just don't buy it.
I have not bought any games with missing AF....Its there loss, I buy 2 copies of most Ps4 games for 2 x Ps4....
dr_rus
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No, an SDK bug would not affect all 3rd parties. Not all titles use everything from the SDK. It looks like the issue present in titles which were developed in Win/Xbox environment and then ported to PS4. So the bug is likely to be in that porting toolchain.
Manually activating AF for selected textures on PS4 only again is a lot of work which may be impossible to do in the time/budget or even tools devs have. So we have this situation with AF as a result.
It is funny you still think there is a problem.
CambriaRising
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And not at all unexpected either.
Ricerocket
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Theonik
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I'm not necessarily talking about libraries, it could be a fault from a conversion tool a developer might have used, but there is no real reason why every developer needs to use the OGL libraries that are in the SDK.
If it's a conversion tool, then subsequent games will stop suffering from this altogether. Developers would still be able to attempt to fix the issue manually with a patch. If it's a library, the game can be recompiled against these updated libraries and the issue can be corrected though QA is the hard bit there.
These libraries would usually be included on the game disk not on the system software so it would be an issue of patching the game rather than the system. If the issue is with the system then Sony needs to introduce an update.
For developer responsibility it is a question of whether you consider a developer not using a potentially expensive work-around over hoping the issue will be resolved is their fault or not. Business realities often dictate that unless the fix is free developers might simply ignore them.
BONKERS
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It's funny to me because AF has been essentially an afterthought on PC for nearly a decade. The PS4 hardware should be more than capable for it to simply be a toggle switch for AFx16
It also doesn't excuse when PS3 games have better texture filtering lol.
geordiemp
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What you just described is a dev asking me to buy a game they developed on another system, spent all the dev time on another system, ported and could not be bothered or had money left to polish.
That's fine, I note them clearly, and I just make sure I don't have time to give them my money. Consumers can only vote with their wallets.
Buying Dying light today now its fixed, I can wait for improvements...for years....
BlackBuzzard
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Really? This is just 4x ??
I'm not seeing a smudge on the ground texture at all
Dark10x says its 16x in the DMC AF thread.
geordiemp
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nvm
PoweredByHentai
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Considering how soon these games with the AF issues are getting patched, this seems to be a trivial enough problem for the developers to fix.
BONKERS
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Looks like 8x to me in the other pictures. But what with the ultra compressed JPGs and CA smothering everything, it makes it harder to tell definitively. Because some surfaces in other shots posted prior still looked like they weren't getting filtered properly. These were of course at more oblique angles.
And again, dat compression.
RedAssedApe
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just out of curiosity what other games got patched besides Dying Light? don't think these threads would keep going on if devs were on top of things :\
Your being a bit too transparent there
I think it's x2.
IndoAssassin
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Well don't expect Capcom to fix anything or Square Enix so none.
Theonik
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Sure but we still have no idea how long they actually worked on those fixes or even whether they were waiting for QA to patch them into the game. We don't really have enough information to exclude any possibility as of now.
Really? This is just 4x ??
I'm not seeing a smudge on the ground texture at all
That looks closer to 16x to me. Definitely not 4x.
Not surprising. This is a phenomenon known as confirmation bias.
Sure, there is no problem with AF on consoles, not all. Except in The Order, Infamous, KZ:SF, Uncharted, DriveClub and almost any multiplatform game.
Same goes for Xbone one games.
2x-4x AF with some few textures having 8x is not really something You would expect in 2015 or even 2010 to be honest.
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It breaks in about 70% of distance. With 8x AF You would not notice that, i know, because i was doing 8x to 16x AF comparison in past in few games and there was no visible difference in 99% cases.
Its not as good as 8x, its as bad as 2x, so the only logical one is 4x.
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What?
flipswitch
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Where did i say that those game do not have AF? They have low AF values, so the consoles have problems with AF. Its simple logic.
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No, lol.
No, lol. What you're seeing is a transition from pavement to gravel, beyond the fence.
I was talking about 1m before the fence.
The pavement detail remains crisp 1m before the fence.
xenorevlis
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He may be mistaking the occlusion / shadow mapping beneath and before the fence (maybe from tree) as loss of detail, though if you zoom in there is no real detail loss before the transition to pavement.
No, cant edit it now, i'm at work. The detail definitely breaks there.
On the same pavement line as white stripe for example.
It's there for people to see, even if you don't.
It breaks here
You really need to play more on PC with different settings. 4x is not terrible and doesnt break totally, but its nowhere near 8x or 16x.
Ps. that 4x and 16x comparison is not completely correct, because newer cards handle it better, via enhanced AF algorithms.
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4x AF
16x AF
You really need to play more on PC with different settings. 4x is not terrible and doesnt break totally, but its nowhere near 8x or 16x.
Ps. that 4x and 16x comparison is not completely correct, because newer cards handle it better, via enhanced AF algorithms.
That's x8 at the least. Blame on the ps4 GPu if you consider the quality to be sub par, but this ain't x4.
GayForMaster
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Isn't the simple answer: UE3 is terrible at making PS4 ports?
There is no transition point at the red line.
hooijdonk17
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I would go out on a limb and say no, that's not 16x; the shadows in the distance are apparently hiding most of the blurring difference you would see between 4x and 8x.
Wat..
Its on older architecture on that comparison. On newer cards 8x is like 16x, it is almost indistinguishable. What a pity i dont have my Skyrim comparison shots here ;\
hooijdonk17
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Expecting CAPCPOM to service you for something you already paid for? What crazy world are you living in? The AF patch would probably end up being DLC, if ever.
You are never getting capcom's attention.
But we could get Ninja Theory's so they can fix DmC at least.
Monty Mole
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Heh
DOWN
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Okay, how do we get their attention?
Really? This is just 4x ??
I'm not seeing a smudge on the ground texture at all
its not, that is atleast 8x