Dictator93
Member
I took these just now on the latest patch for ps4.
Sorry I didn't get to go the same location as the above screens you posted.
Those still have pretty poor AF. Is that better than before?
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PS4's AF issue we need answers!
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Those still have pretty poor AF. Is that better than before?
flipswitch
Member
It looks the same to me.
edit:
I've gone back to the location where the AF was shown to be in. As I making my way there, I could see the AF issues everywhere.
Anyway, back at the tower. One pic is standing up the next is crouching.
edit:
I've gone back to the location where the AF was shown to be in. As I making my way there, I could see the AF issues everywhere.
Anyway, back at the tower. One pic is standing up the next is crouching.
flipswitch
Member
Some more during the day. Same as before, no AF.
badcrumble
Member
I think it's getting more and more likely that this is about automatic DirectX->OpenGL tools fucking up anisotropic filtering.
Chobel
Member
LOL! So this new DL patch fix AF on some PS4 units but not all units?
That's the same as before.
That's the same as before.
It looks the same to me.
edit:
I've gone back to the location where the AF was shown to be in. As I making my way there, I could see the AF issues everywhere.
Anyway, back at the tower. One pic is standing up the next is crouching.
You sure you have the patch installed? Your shot looks pre-patch and completely different than the ones posted.
chromatic9
Member
Weird, is this some variable filtering in Dying Light? Please check it's patched to the latest.
flipswitch
Member
chromatic9
Member
Isn't it 1.05 that's the latest?
flipswitch
Member
I don't know actually. I have the digital version and it's telling me no update is available.
Chobel
Member
Andronicus
Banned
I done a search and it said no update available.
something don't add up lol
there it is
WelfareBurger
Member
Here are my PS4 shots.
Yup. Dreamcast avatar should've tipped you guys off..
I keed. It's possible the patch isn't live for aussies.
>-Baron-Spamedi-<
Member
Well I'm glad they fixed the AF.
Maybe there is a problem with some tools or a conversion process that has been causing the problem. I doubt it's 'lazy devs'.
However, the Dying Light team have demonstrated its definitely fixable. So any game afflicted with this problem that doesn't receive a patch might well be considered a case of 'lazy devs'.
By the way, this getting fixed means the conspiracy crew can take AF off the Xbox chalkboard - is there anything left on there? ;p
Maybe there is a problem with some tools or a conversion process that has been causing the problem. I doubt it's 'lazy devs'.
However, the Dying Light team have demonstrated its definitely fixable. So any game afflicted with this problem that doesn't receive a patch might well be considered a case of 'lazy devs'.
By the way, this getting fixed means the conspiracy crew can take AF off the Xbox chalkboard - is there anything left on there? ;p
>-Baron-Spamedi-<
Member
Lovely. As far as the eye can see.
PsihoPerihelion
Member
I'm on 1.05 and I can confirm that AF is indeed fixed (or increased)
Just look at those carpets!
Mmmh, carpets.
Just look at those carpets!
Mmmh, carpets.
bananafactory
Banned
Damn, props to techland for fixing something no one expected them to.
Would love to hear from them on what the issue was
Would love to hear from them on what the issue was
Backfoggen
Banned
Frame rate still the same on Dying Light?
That's enough for you or you need of more prove?
It seems clearly an SDK issue at this point. Jeez tons of posts about 'I don't believe to who said otherwise', 'but you can't prove the contrary' even with tons of explanations how weird are your strange tech convinctions and et voila with a simple patch AF can be improved XD . Even x360 had unified ram never remembered strange AF issue like the ps4.Just downloaded the new patch and took some comparative screenshots. The AF is indeed much better. First image is before patch, second with 1.05:
OdysseusVA
Banned
Very nice.
I sent a tweet over to @TechlandGames and their community manager, I'll post if I receive a response.
I sent a tweet over to @TechlandGames and their community manager, I'll post if I receive a response.
HORRORSHØW
Member
good to see it's at least patchable.
PsihoPerihelion
Member
Same framerate (for me at least) Solid 30 with weird jumps to 60 (this is a known issue on PS4) but if you are asking if it got worst after the increase on AF, nop. Not at all.
I played for 5 hours straight after the patch (a friend wanted to see the game. I never play that much)
Didn't play too much after the patch, but the performance seems the same.
TheStruggler
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so if they can patch and fix it i assume its a developer problem compared to a tech problem
It's not exactly a developers problems. Highly probable SDK on ps4 give some problem in the AF in the multiplat engine.
RedAssedApe
Banned
embarrassed to say i never noticed the AF per 1.05 patch heh
already beat dying light...maybe i'll fire it up just to see if the game looks sharper to me.
already beat dying light...maybe i'll fire it up just to see if the game looks sharper to me.
Perhaps Sony reaches out for developers to clarify the issues and helps getting AF on the games?
PoweredByHentai
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I disagree. If the SDK had a problem then it would have affected every game that used AF.
Considering that only a few games had issues and that some have been patched already, this seems to be an issue on the developer's end.
Developers perhaps don't but artists do. And why would they implement it in on the other console but not on PS4? This makes no sense. There has to be a specific reason for this. AF is known since years.
PoweredByHentai
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I doubt that artists are responsible for whether or not AF gets used. My understanding is that it is the artist's responsibility to provide the art assets for the game which then become's the developer's responsibility to make sure that the game calls those assets properly.
But how do you justify to an artist spending hours and hours of work for his art that in the game it looks like coloured mud? And internal QA might miss bugs or glitches but definitely not missing AF. Especially if they test both versions where one has AF and the other one doesn't. It is clearly visible.
Point a) can be shown by looking at benchmarks.
Point b) we know from Sony themselves (in this case it is 20GB/s)
Point c) we know because we can look at spec sheets
Point d) can be shown by looking at benchmarks of the 7770 which has 72GB/s of bandwidth and has no issue with AF.
Nothing dr_rus said requires them to show any credibility because you can find out the information independently,
On the PC you can force AF in the driver, this usually has a small impact on performance. What if the Xbox One driver is forcing a minimum level of AF and the PS4 driver does not? On the one hand not forcing it gives devs a chance to use different solutions like what is found in The Order, on the other hand it means that they have to actually turn it on and in low budget or rushed out ports it is being overlooked.
There is no hardware reason at all why the PS4 would struggle with AF so the only other reason is some form of API/driver setting difference between Xbox One and PS4.
Theonik
Member
Developer time is free now?
If there is a tool issue somewhere, it doesn't mean that developers use the same tools in the SDK. And if they are affected, fixing it may or may not take time they may or may not justifuy investing. This sort of thing isn't something developers should have to worry about fixing.
Well, I suppose there a few possiblities:
1) AF IS FUCKED ON THE PS4
2) AF has more caveats than other platforms
3) AF is just obtuse to setup
Let's examine the possibilities:
1) The PS4, despite all of the released specs, has some trouble with AF. Devs tried it and burned attracting Cerny's gaze! As amusing as I find this, I don't want to be incinerated so I choose to not believe many (all) of the core propositions.
2) Suppose you port your engine, but at some point you hear...from some friendly dev or another...that to do AF on PS4 requires additional work. Well, that sounds bad, so you start your engine with trilinear only, and forget about AF. You get to release time, and everything's working, but then you remember you might want to #undef NO_PS4_AF. With some additional reflection you find you may have to go through QA again, to make sure there are no side effects. What do you chose?
3) Your engine works. Sure, you fudged some porting factors, like AF, but AF settings weren't the same on the new system as they were on the old system. But things are rendering, and the worst artifact you notice is that "maybe it's blurrier."
I mean, what do you do when you encounter these? The hardest part of VR (IMO) is making it so it feels like your movements in the world are yours (proper scale, offset, etc.). To have to ensure AF? Farrrrrrrrrrr down the list.
Dreathlock
Member
Infact i wont be buying DMC until this is fixed on PS4. I hope they will patch it soon.
Edit: But great to see it can be fixed at all!
The majority of other developers (or artists) do.
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I can see an artist spending hours and hours of their life making sure that a model looks a certain way in 3D. I don't think said artist would be intimately involved with textures on how cobblestone road looks, because that is usually a small texture map that is then repeated across a surface and squashed or stretched depending on the variables involved with the point of view.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisotropic_filtering
An artist would likely check to make sure that their models are rendered properly whereas the priority on paying attention to what the ground looks like would drop off a cliff.
Even within an SDK, why would you have two separate libraries that do the exact same thing? That is just asking for trouble especially if they use the same namespaces.
Secondly, how would fixing the tool suddenly fix the issue via a patch to the consumer? This is logically incomprehensible. The fact that the games with the AF issue got patched to fix it means that there was something with how the developers were calling the function from within the game.
Thirdly, if the game's AF issue could be resolved with a patch from the developer and there was no firmware update on the consumer's end, then this is entirely an issue from the developer's side and that there was a problem with how the developers chose to call the AF function.
EDIT:
I guess the better question is how large were the patches that were deployed to resolve the AF issue?
Where do you get to see how much bandwidth a CPU uses in gaming? And more specifically where do you get numbers from where the system has unified ram?
Yep, onion bus has 20GB/s.
Yep, and I still don't think we should take peak or maximum bandwidths for a number that we can see in real life applications (here it is gaming). They are called "peak" for a reason. I searched for bandwidth measures on the net but didn't find anything.
Btw, I still wait for an actual proof that the slide I posted got debunked.
Yes, but the 7770 doesn't get its data from unified ram. It is a totally different situation if the ram has to feed one source or several, over 2 different busses. This is why I think using PC "data" to show me I am wrong is of course valid but I think the system architecture of PS4 is too different to what a "regular" PC is to conclude what is happening in PS4.
Yes, if you think the PS4 works the same way as a PC does. Which it doesn't.
But I think the discussion can end here on my theory. I won't get the data I want and I disregard the points others make to prove me wrong for said reasons. I didn't want to attack anyone but got attacked which is the saddest part of the whole discussion.
I hope we get the true reason still, though.