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Puppeteer out Nintendo's Nintendo.
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Pretty sure it does like all platformers. How can you keep the character on the floor without gravity. How can you stop the character from sliding all the way to the end of the level without friction?
eXistor
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Well, I'd like to retract my statement that it's a "bad" platformer, that's just not true, but for me the 30fps is definitely an issue. It's not so much an issue in the game because so far (and I should mention that I'm only 2 acts in) there just hasn't been any precision platforming. I'm really not getting smooth scrolling action and I feel it does indeed negatively impact the controls, and 60 frames is usually not somthing I feel is necessary for lots of games. I will absolutely agree that this game can stand on its own and actually comparing it to Nintendo platformers is a bit silly seeing as they're vastly different beasts.
Welcome to the poop Nintendo is releasing now.
You don't need to pout and use schoolyard insults to support/promote this game you know?
IrishNinja
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this game might be cool, but NSMBU was the best 2D platformer since SMW...some of ya'll really should've tried it before speaking
except this dude...clowning on mario 3 means no one should listen to you in platfomer threads, honestly
Nocturnowl
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Since poop is now an effective gauge of measurement I can assume that I out Nintendo'd Nintendo on the can this morning.
But really was there any need to bring this back up? The only comparisons this thread seems to draw is one where various Nintendo studios recent platforming efforts are comprised entirely of New Super Mario Bros and Sony exist in a world where anything that now touches 2D must be caught in the gravity of Little Big Planet and its floaty atmosphere.
But really was there any need to bring this back up? The only comparisons this thread seems to draw is one where various Nintendo studios recent platforming efforts are comprised entirely of New Super Mario Bros and Sony exist in a world where anything that now touches 2D must be caught in the gravity of Little Big Planet and its floaty atmosphere.
Then why adhere to this silly comparison in the first place if you are not interested in using probably the most coheseve means to contrast fundamentally different gaming concepts such as this thread proposes? Should we all just go by your opinion and your deranged agenda?
This thread reeks of fanboy filth. Nintendo loyalists who cannot accept that Puppeteer does certain things much better than Mario has done, and Sony fans who think Puppeteer somehow makes Mario irrelevant.
I seriously wonder what Puppeteer's reception would have been had it been made by Nintendo. These fanboy delusions are hilarious. It's a fucking awesome game.
I seriously wonder what Puppeteer's reception would have been had it been made by Nintendo. These fanboy delusions are hilarious. It's a fucking awesome game.
The style sure looks similar, the gameplay itself fortunately looks a 100% better
GetemMa
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Nope, I've found something 10 times more pathetic.
Sony fanboys bending over backwards every single time Sony releases a game in the same genre of a Nintendo franchise, just to try to convince everyone that Nintendo has "lost it" and Sony "has it."
Very sad.
I love Super Mario Bros 3 to death, I just don't like the suit.
But it doesn't try to do anything like Mario really,
it's like saying Tomb raider is shit because it's not GTA.
It's true that the whole declassified thing going last year was beyond pathetic.
aygomyownroad
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The problem with Nintendo is that they have their main Characters for side scrolling platform games (Donkey Kong, Mario, Kirby) and they deviate from very little else.
And while these games sometimes add new cool features in to them, because they are not an original IP many people scoff saying "same old Nintendo and a 2D Mario with oh a new outfit"
Nintendo need to introduce some new heroes and then people will see more clearly that Nintendo still have it.
I am not a great fan of Nintendo but when it comes to platform games I consider them the best.
And while these games sometimes add new cool features in to them, because they are not an original IP many people scoff saying "same old Nintendo and a 2D Mario with oh a new outfit"
Nintendo need to introduce some new heroes and then people will see more clearly that Nintendo still have it.
I am not a great fan of Nintendo but when it comes to platform games I consider them the best.
WrenchNinja
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Wow.
peanutbutterlatte
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Eh... I shouldn't bite, but... whatever.
Looking forward to seeing how these don't count.
I have no idea about what you're talking about.
IrishNinja
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i mean...you can fly & turn into a statue. what's not to like? if its just that its a raccoon suit, i'll assume the froggy one gets no love as well
cookie-monster
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The people who complain about Nintendo having no new IP have no intention of buying any new IP that Nintendo might create, hence why whenever Nintendo do try to do something different (blue ocean aside), the sales figures are awful.
I think that Nintendo have a very good idea of the best way to leverage their talent and maximise their income.
eXistor
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The hell? I've never really liked games with canned movement, they generally require little to no skill; hit the jump button and your character will always jump the exact same way, that kind of stuff. I hate to bring Nintendo back into this again, but with NSMB you can actively get better at playing the game the more you get used to the controls. I loved that I was sucking at NSLU at first because Luigi had such different momentum than Mario.
This comment isn't necessarily directed at Puppeteer (though it does indeed lack momentum) as it is a more general thing for me.
Puppeteer controlling tightly is not an issue, my "issue" (it could also simply be preference) is that you instantly have mastered Puppeteer's controls the minute you start playing it. This isn't a bad thing, but I prefer a learning curve; where the game has depth that you need to find by getting better.
The gaming population at large doesn't seem to have a problem with that at all actually going by the way Nintendo platformers sell. It just seems to be a few vocal fans disillusioned by Nintendo that can't get over it. And judging by the initial sales of titles like Pupeteer, can we blame them?
No World of Warcraft is not a good platformer.
I have no problems with the abilities they give you, it's just the suits I'm not fond of.
Metalmurphy
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You manually program it to respond that way... You press a button, the character moves in a set way, no "friction" involved.
Otherwise all games would have physics engines, they don't.
"But we don’t really use any physics engines at all or anything."
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=636141
What? oO How does that make sense? Floaty, as the word implies, is something that floats, something that floats is governed by other variables and something that would be unresponsive/prone to changes.
My understanding of floaty platforming is something like LBP.
hes asking why the cat suit is your reason for saying nintendo has lost it when you greatly enjoyed a game that had a similar suit that you also disliked. Surely if you could think mario 3 was great despite the suit there is a chance mario 3d world could also be great despite the suit. Clear?
Zen_Arcade
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So your argument was that Nintendo used to make better games, and your reasoning for why the games are bad now is that they're putting Mario in an animal suit just like they did back when you thought the games were great?
Great logic you've got there.
If you are right then this thread is hilarious in a tragic way
We're Not Idiots, Nintendo
Cuz if dedicated gamers cant get past the usage of the same mascots to see the changes and fine tuning in mechanics and level design, I guess we really are idiots.
Glass Rebel
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People have this weird tendency to praise games that are in roughly the same genre as the top Nintendo games by calling them better, emphasizing how stale/boring/bad Nintendo's games have gotten and insulting Nintendo fans in the same breath. It happened before to games like Darksiders and it will happen in the future and all it does is incite fanboy wars and hurt the games like in this case.
You can kill Thwomps with that suit. How can you not like it?
WrenchNinja
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I'm just astonished you'd compare this to Bubsy and Sparkster.
For the last time, I never said ANY of this.
Zen_Arcade
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You implied it by using a cat suit and saying "Look at the poop they release now". Which implies that they used to not release "poop" despite the fact that those games have the same things you used as reasoning for the new games being "poop".
aygomyownroad
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Again I'm not really a Nintendo fan, but I've heard of Kid Icarus but that is about it on this list.
They never give the advertising or exposure to these games... In the UK at least.
Bluemercury
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Only a 7 on EDGE....we all know what this means...
Glass Rebel
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No physics? You mean no gravity, no collision detection or anything like that?
Boss Doggie
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Why is this thread a-
*looks at the bumper*
How unsurprising. I'm surprised the person isn't even warned for bringing this one up instead of replying on the OT or making a new thread.
*looks at the bumper*
How unsurprising. I'm surprised the person isn't even warned for bringing this one up instead of replying on the OT or making a new thread.
Don't bother. There seems to be no possibility of rational discussion.
Revolutionary
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It really is in an incredible game... but I agree. This thread is terrible because of the inability to have a reasonable discussion in it.
I think you're getting mixed up with how the environment acts. Like if a pole fell to the ground a physics engine could mean it could bounce a different way every time whereas giving the pole some animation means it will fall the same way every time. Basically they are saying it isn't like LBP dynamic props which are all controlled by a physics engine but more like an old SNES game which had to give animation to everything.
However the game will still have physics for the character otherwise the moment they jump they'll continue upwards because nothing is forcing them downwards.
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