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[LiK]

Even the very tight thong thing?

yup

 

[Master Thespian]

70kg, her ass.

Yeaaaah right.

They actually did a good job this time around by putting her at 5'6", 154 lbs. One of the more muscular but still shapely women in recent WWE history, Kaitlyn,

has roughly the same measurements (5'5", 145 lbs).

 

[mnz]

yup

Any examples? Google says otherwise.

 

[LiK]

Any examples? Google says otherwise.

i'll let someone else do that. I'm at work right now lol

 

[joe2187]

Even the very tight thong thing?

Googling "japanese female wrestlers" had led me to the conclusion that...yes

Also...if you think about it isnt the traditional garb for a sumo also a thong?

 

[Parakeetman]

Karin should have short hair in SFV.

Karin without the drills is not Karin at all.

Hope they keep stuff like this if she does make it into V.

 

[Mik317]

Googling "japanese female wrestlers" had led me to the conclusion that...yes

Also...if you think about it isnt the traditional garb for a sumo also a thong?

Mika is exaggerated tho so its not exactly the same either.

 

[Korigama]

Karin without the drills is not Karin at all.

Hope they keep stuff like this if she does make it into V.

I expect that people will seriously question why they couldn't play as the butler instead of the character that everyone else was actually asking for.

 

[Dice]

...cuz gief isn't exaggerated in any way...

 

[Stone Ocean]

Mika is exaggerated tho so its not exactly the same either.

Every character in SF is exaggerated, that doesn't really mean anything

Plus it's pro wrestling, it's not like being over the top is weird

 

[BiggNife]

I posted this in the best SF character thread but it makes more sense to post it here, since this thread is the root of discussing Mika's design:

R Mika kinda leaves me conflicted in a way that's hard to articulate, but i'm gonna try to anyway -

Let me start off by saying a lot of female designs in fighting games bug me. DOA's ridiculous boob-physics, Lucky Chloe in Tekken, and like 90% of MK9's female characters (bandaged Mileena, ugh) are all gross in how hard they try to pander to guys.

But with Mika, her design and animations are so ridiculously over-the-top that I find her hilarious. To me, she's a parody of other overly sexualized characters in fighting games like Mai and Kasumi. There's absolutely no subtlety. Street Fighter also does this with race - are characters like T Hawk and Zangief racist? Absolutely! But they're so over-the-top and absurd that it's hard to take it seriously.

Also, yes - I agree with what you said about how the character is clearly confident of her sexuality and uses it as a weapon ala Bayonetta.

Do I agree that the design is problematic? Yes. Is it fine for people to not be happy with it? Totally. But I dunno. I think Mika is one of SF's funniest characters.

 

[Mik317]

Every character in SF is exaggerated, that doesn't really mean anything

Plus it's pro wrestling, it's not like being over the top is weird

Oh of course. That's the best part of SF.

Just saying its not exactly the same either

 

[Nishastra]

I expect that people will seriously question why they couldn't play as the butler instead of the character that everyone else was actually asking for.

He's way less sexualized, at least!

 

[Skilletor]

I posted this in the best SF character thread but it makes more sense to post it here, since this thread is the root of discussing Mika's design:

Kind of how I view Punch-out.

Mika's always been so childish that it's hard for me to view her as sexy.

 

[Dice]

I think this article applies here.

 

[Plywood]

If only Naruto was female and her fighting style consisted of pro-wrestling moves. The series would have been infinitely more interesting.

Naruko and Killer Bee/Raikage tag-team attacks? Yes please.

Stop, my penis can only get so erect.

 

[Skilletor]

I think this article applies here.

Thank you for this. Great read so far.

 

[Pejo]

I'm a little late on this, but I love the fact that R. Mika is included in the roster. I won't use her personally as I don't like grapplers, but she looks really fun for those who do. One thing I noticed right away though is the hair. Whoever is doing these 3D models needs a lesson on how to do hair, my god. It all looks like play dough.

 

[vas_a_morir]

I think this article applies here.

Over-sexualization works for some characters, but some it doesn't. I think it's ridiculous to have Cammy wear a thong while trying to do tactical military operations. But, with R. Mika and Poison is makes sense. I was looking at those more modest depictions in that article of female fighting game girls and I liked a lot of them, but Poison was one where I said "This isn't right for the character." In fact, her expression of her overly sexualized style is a feminist thing. She's in control, and she chooses to be like she is because that's who she is. With her character in particular, telling her she can't be overtly sexual is closer to slut-shaming, given her style and demeanor.

R Mika is distractingly hot in SF5, though. She never came off as all that hot in Alpha, lmao.

 

[depths20XX]

"are characters like T Hawk and Zangief racist? Absolutely! "

I understand the T. Hawk one but Zangief is considered racist too? How so? Is he talking about chugging vodka in some win quote or something?

 

[SummitAve]

The only thing distracting is her similarity to a real doll. She just looks crudely modeled. Maybe it's supposed to be a goofy joke, but she just kinda looks out of place bad.

Maybe it's the hair that's throwing me off like the poster above mentioned. Or the 3d glasses she's wearing as a mask.

 

[Coolio McAwesome]

I understand the T. Hawk one but Zangief is considered racist too? How so? Is he talking about chugging vodka in some win quote or something?

Zangief's ending in SF2 literally involved him performing a traditional Russian dance with Gorbachev.

 

[Uno Venova]

Damn, I think i love street fighter even more now, it weeds out bad fighting game players and gamers so squeamish and sensitive they have can't have a curvy girl in their video games.

 

[ced]

Where is all the outrage?

 

[cerulily]

Damn, I think i love street fighter even more now, it weeds out bad fighting game players and gamers so squeamish and sensitive they have can't have a curvy girl in their video games.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Karin without the drills is not Karin at all.

Hope they keep stuff like this if she does make it into V.

They're not going to change her.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Damn, I think i love street fighter even more now, it weeds out bad fighting game players and gamers so squeamish and sensitive they have can't have a curvy girl in their video games.

Really?

 

[partyphone]

Damn, I think i love street fighter even more now, it weeds out bad fighting game players and gamers so squeamish and sensitive they have can't have a curvy girl in their video games.

people can criticize things and still enjoy them.

weird, right?

 

[Iscariot]

Over-sexualization works for some characters, but some it doesn't. I think it's ridiculous to have Cammy wear a thong while trying to do tactical military operations.

She always struck me as being a bit inspired by Major Kusanagi. You have to remember GiTS was pretty huge when Cammy debuted.

 

[The Lone Dragon]

Any examples? Google says otherwise.

Velvet Sky and Angelina Love, a.k.a. "The Beautiful People" literally shook their rear ends at the camera ("letting the pigeons loose" as Taz would say), and yes, they often wore thongs.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

"are characters like T Hawk and Zangief racist? Absolutely! "

I understand the T. Hawk one but Zangief is considered racist too? How so? Is he talking about chugging vodka in some win quote or something?

His super is "atomic buster" and his hand turns green when he performs banishing flat. and this He is a stereotypical character, like Hawk. Perhaps even more so.

 

[bishoptl]

i dunno, something just doesn't sit right when a site that's 99.9% men, many of whom don't seem to have much experience with socialization at all (let alone dating/girls) nor social sciences (all STEM, right?), starts calling everything sexist and problematic.

Either that or it's just really easy trolling bait to pretend like R.Mika is "problematic"

really

tell me more, please

 

[mnz]

Velvet Sky and Angelina Love, a.k.a. "The Beautiful People" literally shook their rear ends at the camera ("letting the pigeons loose" as Taz would say), and yes, they often wore thongs.

But they aren't even Japanese? I was just asking the poster saying her outfit is "completely in line" with them and I couldn't find anything like that. Still can't.

To me it looks exaggerated and I think it's meant to be.

 

[nded]

One thing I noticed right away though is the hair. Whoever is doing these 3D models needs a lesson on how to do hair, my god. It all looks like play dough.

I think "living action figure" might actually be the look they're going for. Looks fine in motion, but weird in still closeups.

 

[Kintaro]

But they aren't even Japanese? I was just asking the poster saying her outfit is "completely in line" with them and I couldn't find anything like that. Still can't.

To me it looks exaggerated and I think it's meant to be.

Of course its exaggerated. It's Street Fighter. You have a Chinese woman fighting with her kung fu in a dress. Oh, and she's a cop. Come on now.

That said, her attire is based on Joshi attire. Just taken to the extreme. Like everything in STREET FIGHTER.

 

[mnz]

That's what I just said, though. Don't pretend it's realistic then.

 

[Mr. X]

Why is that? Are you saying there's anything wrong or shameful with being a porn star? Are you prudes or something?

Context matters. It's like when someone says to a black guy "you speak very well", we all know what they're implying.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Of course its exaggerated. It's Street Fighter. You have a Chinese woman fighting with her kung fu in a dress. Oh, and she's a cop. Come on now.

That said, her attire is based on Joshi attire. Just taken to the extreme. Like everything in STREET FIGHTER.

What, she can't be a cop?

 

[Coolio McAwesome]

That said, the responses and excuses for it are also pretty hilarious/sad and symptomatic as to why there isn't much good discussion about sexism in games. The idea that a virtually created character has any agency or ownership over what they wear is pretty hilarious. A video game character can't choose to be empowered by their sexuality. That's not really how this works. That said, I don't believe in a "puritan dystopia" and I definitely don't think people should be afraid of sexuality, but that's not really why people have "suddenly started complaining". It's that this is the norm, not the exception, so just don't be surprised when people do complain about the fact that a surprising amount of video game women just happen to "decide" to be "empowered".

If a character can be portrayed as intelligent, or funny, or strong, or compassionate, or manipulative, or conniving, or anything else, then they can absolutely be portrayed as being empowered and having control over their sexuality. It's ridiculous and sad to suggest otherwise.

There are countless examples of empowered women in the world of fiction, and countless examples of characters who are not. There is nothing about R. Mika that suggests that she's anything other than a confident woman.

 

[Lernaean]

I think this article applies here.

Thank you for this.

 

[uncredited male]

Hey now, Chun-Li is not just a cop, she is an Interpol detective.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Karin should have short hair in SFV.

Karin without drills is not Karin.

 

[Hubb]

That's what I just said, though. Don't pretend it's realistic then.

I don't know, looking through Google search the costume doesn't seem too far off.

 

[Kintaro]

What, she can't be a cop?

Sure she can. I guess Interpol has pretty lax dressing standards. Kind of like whoever Cammy works for, right? =P

The point is...its fuckin' Street Fighter. =)

 

[Mechanized]

Karin without drills is not Karin.

She should have a hipster haircut, sides buzzed, color streak.

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

Zangief's ending in SF2 literally involved him performing a traditional Russian dance with Gorbachev.

He's a distillation (and, yes, reduction) of Russian culture seen through foreign eyes, but that isn't as bad as being "racist" and I don't think the word should be thrown around so loosely. The game doesn't present the scenario through a lens of negative judgment.

Doing a dance from his culture with the leader of his nation in celebration of a victory in an international fighting competition doesn't seem that far out there to me.

Would it be racist if Balrog's ending had him meeting Barack Obama and they had a meal together and clapped afterwards?

 

[DryEyeRelief]

The point is...its fuckin' Street Fighter. =)

I find this sentiment funny because I remember listening to a 1up podcast citing R Mika as the design that showed when Street Fighter jumped the shark

 

[Stone Ocean]

Sure she can. I guess Interpol has pretty lax dressing standards. Kind of like whoever Cammy works for, right? =P

The point is...its fuckin' Street Fighter. =)

Well to be fair Cammy's costume is actually the Delta Red uniform so it makes sense... kinda

Chun, well, it's always casual friday I guess

 

[cerulily]

Thank you for this.

This article is shit, I mean look at some of these leaps of logic

"These people do not care about choice. They don’t care about women. They ultimately just want to drag down sexy women and/or women with large breasts."

the point couldn't fly further over their head.

I mean, I am no prude, I like sexy girls. But let's be real. Find me a single female fighting game character that is fat like the new birdie, or rufus, or Bob from Tekken.

You won't.

Or, how about, let's go back a few pages and read any number of reaction posts which can be summed up with "i think this is sexy", and try to show the same coming from any largely female gaming forum talking about male character reveals.

About the most progressive design you're ever going to get for a female FG character is Leo

So, if you're going to post an article that basically is reducible to "don't hate on sexy women, because that is a body type!" then you're just not getting the point at all.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

About the most progressive design you're ever going to get for a female FG character is Leo

So basically the only progressive designs for female fighting game characters are characters like Makoto and Leo. Which are characters who's gender is supposed to be ambiguous/you're supposed to think they're male.

Nice