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As you might know, Radeon RX 5700 series reviews will be available on July 7th, alongside AMD Ryzen 3000 series and X570 motherboards. Quite a day for tech enthusiasts and a lot of work for reviewers. A review was published by accident by a Polish site called Benchmark.

The review was conducted with early drivers, as explained in the screenshot below. Apparently, these drivers do not even support overclocking. Hence, the results may not correspond to the final performance.
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Overall, there is between 5 and 15% difference between the 2070S and the 5700XT which is huge considering that they are very close in price and that technologically Radeon are one year late
(no Ray tracing, no dlss and a less sexy version founders edition).

AMD must lower their new cards by at least $50 or they will go straight into the wall.
 
Evilms said:
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Overall, there is between 5 and 15% difference between the 2070S and the 5700XT which is huge considering that they are very close in price and that technologically Radeon are one year late
(no Ray tracing, no dlss and a less sexy version founders edition).

AMD must lower their new cards by at least $50 or they will go straight into the wall.
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Really not bad considering where AMD was last few years. XT is roundabout matching 1080TI, but it really has good perf per watt, so it will be good for consoles no doubt.

RT means little when its only 8% increase in CU die space for Nvidia. Anyhow, I will wait for AMDs 2nd gen Navis. Should be good.
 
In my opinion it will be pretty much in its surroundings :

RTX 2070 Super - 100%
Radeon VII - 97%
GTX 1080 Ti - 96 %
RX 5700 XT - 87%
RTX 2060 Super - 85%
RX 5700 - 78%
RTX 2060 - 76%
 
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Evilms said:
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Overall, there is between 5 and 15% difference between the 2070S and the 5700XT which is huge considering that they are very close in price and that technologically Radeon are one year late
(no Ray tracing, no dlss and a less sexy version founders edition).

AMD must lower their new cards by at least $50 or they will go straight into the wall.
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This is a flatout poorly thought out post because the 2070 Super is $50 more expensive, also the 5700 XT is not the fastest 5700, there's the 5700 XT 50th which has yet to be benched.

You're also not considering the power differences, ironically AMD's cards seem to be more power efficient than Nvidia's this time around. Also no one gives two shits about Ray Tracing outside of 2080 Ti ownership, plainly put the other cards just can't handle it and even the 2080 Ti barely can.

In terms of DLSS AMD has Radeon Image Sharpening so that's also a bunk point, it's the same thing.
 
If these benchmarks are accurate then the Super series definitely accomplished their goal of making the 5700 and 5700XT look less appealing. While the 5700 and 5700XT accomplished their goal of competiting with the vanilla 2060 and 2070.

It is a shame, because if these were priced $50 lower, they would be good (but not great) deals.
 
For what it's worth, AMD video cards often have far more aggressive sales than nvidia cards do. I won't be surprised if between now and christmas you can get Navi at $75 - $100 off.
 
DynamiteCop! said:
This is a flatout poorly thought out post because the 2070 Super is $50 more expensive, also the 5700 XT is not the fastest 5700, there's the 5700 XT 50th which has yet to be benched.

You're also not considering the power differences, ironically AMD's cards seem to be more power efficient than Nvidia's this time around. Also no one gives two shits about Ray Tracing outside of 2080 Ti ownership, plainly put the other cards just can't handle it and even the 2080 Ti barely can.

In terms of DLSS AMD has Radeon Image Sharpening so that's also a bunk point, it's the same thing.
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I'm sorry, between a RTX 2070 Super at 499$ with ray tracing, dlss, a dual fan card, better performances in gaming and a RX 5700 XT at 449$ without ray tracing, a disgusting blower and less performances, my choice is quickly made.

Precisely AMD is a year behind its competitor and the whole problem is there, if you don't see that I can't do anything for you.
 
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I'm sorry, between a RTX 2070 Super at 499$ with ray tracing, dlss, a dual fan card, better performances in gaming and a RX 5700 XT at 449$ without ray tracing, a disgusting blower and less performances, my choice is quickly made.

Precisely AMD is a year behind its competitor and the whole problem is there, if you don't see that I can't do anything for you.
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Im not disagreeing with you and can't blame anybody who picks one card or the other.

I will say that anybody who buys a 2070 or 2060 wanting to play ray tracing are likely going to be disappointed and probably will leave RTX turned off and enjoy the better performance. Those cards can provide at best a preview of what may come.
 
RT is a selling point, nothing more, as it sucks for 2080, let alone something lower.

AMD achieved 2 things with new Navi cards :

They got MUCH closer to Nvidia in perf/watt game. This is holy grail of computer graphics because performance per watt is metric that is number 1 requirement from laptops and consoles, to big server stacks.

2nd, this is their 1st gen Navi. I am 100% sure they can and will significanty improve with 2nd gen Navi GPUs, especially now that they can actually put some money into R&D, which they couldnt for last 6 years.

Lets see how it plays out. While Nvidia will be dropping their new cards next year, on 7nm, AMD wont be sitting still and will provide 2nd gen Navi at same time.
 
Remember that AMDs ridiculous decision of have a crap blower fan coupled with a aggressive fan curve to keep it quiet are going to limit the cards ability to boot to its max core speeds for prolonged periods of time before dropping it, remember AMD PR called this "gamer speed" or some other bollocks. In other words it's not a flaw it's a "feature"!

A preoverclocked card with a 3rd party cooler will perform quite a bit better... of course a 3rd party preoverclocked card is going to be $50 more expensive at minimum putting it directly in the firing line of Nvidia.
 
Basically killed by 2070 Super before launch :(

It is $50 cheaper of course but lack features and power.
 
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Have AMD ever commented on their lack of ultra high end options? I remember back in the day the decisions were very tough on what to buy between NVIDIA and ati
 
Cheezeus said:
Have AMD ever commented on their lack of ultra high end options? I remember back in the day the decisions were very tough on what to buy between NVIDIA and ati
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They said they will have only one card in 2019 for high-end marked: Radeon VII.

The plans are to release another high-end card next year only.
 
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Looking at Guru3d's TimeSpy(DX12) graphics scores for oc 2060/2070 Super I see 2060 Super = 9600 | 2070 Super = 11000. 5700 XT stock scores 8300 from what I can gather in that leaked bench. 2060 Super is 8% higher in Port Royale(DXR) than stock 2070, while 2070 Super is 26% higher. I'm starting to lean towards getting a 2060 Super.
 
Ovek said:
Remember that AMDs ridiculous decision of have a crap blower fan coupled with a aggressive fan curve to keep it quiet are going to limit the cards ability to boot to its max core speeds for prolonged periods of time before dropping it, remember AMD PR called this "gamer speed" or some other bollocks. In other words it's not a flaw it's a "feature"!

A preoverclocked card with a 3rd party cooler will perform quite a bit better... of course a 3rd party preoverclocked card is going to be $50 more expensive at minimum putting it directly in the firing line of Nvidia.
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And then you are comparing a overclocked AMD card to a stock Nvidia card, once you overclock the Nvidia card you are right back to the same performance gulf.
 
JohnnyFootball said:
For what it's worth, AMD video cards often have far more aggressive sales than nvidia cards do. I won't be surprised if between now and christmas you can get Navi at $75 - $100 off.
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That or they also have some nice game bundles. E.g. Radeon VII came with Division 2, Devil May Cry V, and Resident Evil 2 remake. That made it a whole lot more attractive if you happened to be interested in those games.


But yeah, we are already hearing "wait for product++" from the usual AMD fans. The AMD cycle begins anew.
 
ethomaz said:
Basically killed by 2070 Super before launch :(

It is $50 cheaper of course but lack features and power.
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I guess 5 fps is worth $50 to you... Not to me. As for RT... Unless you're not upgrading again in more than 5 years, RT is a moot point to choose your card. And even then, these will probably too slow for RT in the long run anyway. But to each his own.
 
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So 5700XT pretty much matches 2070 Super and 5700 matches 2060 Super and mostly beats it....Many of the Firestrike results has 5700XT ahead and this is on pre-liminary drivers that does not appear to have basic features available like OC'ing and it seems to me that VRSS is not yet activated for titles like Wolfenstein...….All this at $50 cheaper...….Yeah, AMD has something here allright, no wonder Nvidia was so reactionary with Super...….If Nvidia did not do a super lineup, they would have been walloped whole, but for these Navi cards to still match the reactionary NV cards at a cheaper price is a huge win for AMD...…….
 
Unfortunately those cards still are not a match for nVidia. But it's a good way to start their new architecture which I'm sure will improve a lot with time. Let's go AMD.
 
It kind of seems all over the place. Sometimes the XT basically matches a VII and beats the 2070S, others it can't even match a 2060 (non-s). Interestingly Wolfenstein used to love AMD hardware but contributes a fair bit to its drumming here.

If this is another case of launch day AMD drivers - they really need to get that together. People can "FineWine" meme all they want, but if they leave a lot of performance on the table on launch day, that's what most interested people will be reading and basing purchases off of, not what drivers mature into in 6 months.

If this does rapidly improve it does seem RDNA has some potential under the hood.
 
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DynamiteCop! said:
This is a flatout poorly thought out post because the 2070 Super is $50 more expensive, also the 5700 XT is not the fastest 5700, there's the 5700 XT 50th which has yet to be benched.

You're also not considering the power differences, ironically AMD's cards seem to be more power efficient than Nvidia's this time around. Also no one gives two shits about Ray Tracing outside of 2080 Ti ownership, plainly put the other cards just can't handle it and even the 2080 Ti barely can.

In terms of DLSS AMD has Radeon Image Sharpening so that's also a bunk point, it's the same thing.
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It's not poorly thought out. The 2070 Super has more features than the 5700 XT. You say the 50th Anniversary might match the 2070 Super... but that costs $500 and doesn't have RT support. How embarrassing. Downplay that shit all you want... but the fact is.. come late next year.. when everyone is talking about the next gen consoles and ray tracing support... one GPU is going to perform MUCH better in games that support RT than the other.. which doesn't support it at all.

And bringing up power differences? I'll use your own words against you. "Who the fuck cares about power efficiency?" Gamers don't... only GPU vendors do.. because it has implications for their other businesses. There's nothing ironic about a 7nm GPU being more power efficient than a 12nm GPU.
 
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You know whats funny, some folk here thought Super would destroy 5700XT and 5700, they were waiting for it, but I guess they're disappointed that even on preliminary drivers and cheaper cards, AMD is matching SUPER.....

Now cue what I said last week...….Look at how powerdraw does not mean anything anymore because AMD has better and lower powerdraw, some thought NV would still eclipse AMD there...….So NV fans are in a state of bother because what they were hoping for is not looking likely....I don't even care about the equally priced XT Anniversary vs the Super 2070, the 5700XT is good enough to compete there, with a (blower styled cooler) and early drivers....How much better will the performance be with a little undervolting and an OC...….Or how much better will the performance be with Axial fans? like those NV FE's have.......

Yes, Jensen is shook something fierce, thinking people have money to burn.........Selling a 2080ti for $1200, whilst that card is around $400 to produce, Radeon 7 is more costly to produce than 2080ti and cheaper, but content creators would never choose 2080ti over Radeon 7 since Radeon 7 is better there...….People forget that these are cards on 251MM2 vs 445-500+mm2 NV dies, so if a mid end AMD card is even matching Radeon 7, 1080ti etc in some titles with only 40 CU's and a new architecture where drivers are not even ripe...….What will the high end AMD cards at 350-400mm2 bring to the table, the performance, how about 80CU's ? (5800, 5900)…...

So yes, it's refreshing. People thought these cards were only good enough to compete with Regular RTX, but these AMD cards are actually good enough to compete with super at a cheaper price, lower powerdraw and similar performance and these cards are still not on the best coolers or drivers yet...….Stay tuned.....
 
Remij said:
It's not poorly though out. The 2070 Super has more features than the 5700 XT. You say the 50th Anniversary might match the 2070 Super... but that costs $500 and doesn't have RT support. How embarrassing. Downplay that shit all you want... but the fact is.. come late next year.. when everyone is talking about the next gen consoles and ray tracing support... one GPU is going to perform MUCH better in games that support RT than the other.. which doesn't support it at all.

And bringing up power differences? I'll use your own words against you. "Who the fuck cares about power efficiency?" Gamers don't... only GPU vendors do.. because it has implications for their other businesses.
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Okay first off let me start off by saying RT is cool but right now outside of the 2080 Ti it's absofuckinglutely worthless, and even with that card it's towing the line. Not just because it's so sparsely supported but also in the kind of net results, the hardware flatout isn't computationally ready for it yet, it's a nice preview but it's hardly a motivational hardware seller or ready for consumer consumption.

In terms of TDP and efficiency it's always been a frail talking point, but the fact that AMD who is notorious for being on the WAYYY back end of this has actually surpassed Nvidia within the same performance window is impressive.
 
Remij said:
It's not poorly thought out. The 2070 Super has more features than the 5700 XT.
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What's the superior nVidia equivalent of Radeon Chill?
What's the superior nVidia equivalent for Anti-lag?
What's the superior nVidia equivalent for Radeon Image Sharpening?

Remij said:
You say the 50th Anniversary might match the 2070 Super... but that costs $500 and doesn't have RT support. How embarrassing. Downplay that shit all you want... but the fact is.. come late next year.. when everyone is talking about the next gen consoles and ray tracing support... one GPU is going to perform MUCH better in games that support RT than the other.. which doesn't support it at all.
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No one is forced to use RT and definitely won't be anytime soon. Performance is still much better without RT with only a slight image quality difference. And yes, it is slight. It's like going from High to Ultra. Nice? Maybe, but not necessary, and definitely not at 50% performance loss.
 
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DynamiteCop! said:
Okay first off let me start off by saying RT is cool but right now outside of the 2080 Ti it's absofuckinglutely worthless, and even with that card it's towing the line. Not just because it's so sparsely supported but also in the kind of net results, the hardware flatout isn't computationally ready for it yet, it's a nice preview but it's hardly a motivational hardware seller or ready for consumer consumption.

In terms of TDP and efficiency it's always been a frail talking point, but the fact that AMD who is notorious for being on the WAYYY back end of this has actually surpassed Nvidia within the same performance window is impressive.
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It's early.. every new fundamentally different rendering technique has brought GPUs to their knees initially. This is nothing new. Supporting it throughout the lineup is important for consumer adoption.. as well as developer adoption. Yes, you have to turn the resolution or some settings down... but that's ALWAYS been the case when pushing new tech.

Secondly... games haven't been built from the ground up with Ray tracing in mind yet... developers are still learning how best to utilize and exploit the pros of RT effects while minimizing the cons. Also.. there's plenty of architectural improvements in Turing which haven't been exploited and fully exposed yet. All of these things in time could and will improve ray tracing performance in the future on RTX cards. And while DLSS has been extremely disappointing for the most part.. there are a couple decent implementations of it and depending on the game, RT+DLSS could give you a very good visual and playable experience. DLSS needs work though... and I'm pretty sure Nvidia got that memo.

People that buy these mid ranged GPUs aren't upgrading every year... so chances are, those same people would appreciate some future proofing in the way of RT support, even if they do have to turn down the resolution and some settings to play with it. But hey... if not... they still have better raster GPUs than the 5700 series lol
 
Remij said:
It's early.. every new fundamentally different rendering technique has brought GPUs to their knees initially. This is nothing new. Supporting it throughout the lineup is important for consumer adoption.. as well as developer adoption. Yes, you have to turn the resolution or some settings down... but that's ALWAYS been the case when pushing new tech.

Secondly... games haven't been built from the ground up with Ray tracing in mind yet... developers are still learning how best to utilize and exploit the pros of RT effects while minimizing the cons. Also.. there's plenty of architectural improvements in Turing which haven't been exploited and fully exposed yet. All of these things in time could and will improve ray tracing performance in the future on RTX cards. And while DLSS has been extremely disappointing for the most part.. there are a couple decent implementations of it and depending on the game, RT+DLSS could give you a very good visual and playable experience. DLSS needs work though... and I'm pretty sure Nvidia got that memo.

People that buy these mid ranged GPUs aren't upgrading every year... so chances are, those same people would appreciate some future proofing in the way of RT support, even if they do have to turn down the resolution and some settings to play with it. But hey... if not... they still have better raster GPUs than the 5700 series lol
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You're only serving to back up my point, it's something needed to get adopted but it's not ready yet and this 2000 line of cards isn't going to be the ones which usher it in, they're too weak for it. Having RT on basically anything but the $1,200 2080 Ti is a waste of breath and even with it concessions need to be made so trying to use that as some kind of selling point for a 2060 and 2070 whether Super or not is weak.

To you last comment which you felt the need to slide in, that's not entirely true, these are benchmarks with a preliminary driver, and the fastest version of the XT has not been benched yet. To add to this the 5700 Pro looks to be a perfect match for the 2060 Super... so...
 
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Ascend said:
What's the superior nVidia equivalent of Radeon Chill?
What's the superior nVidia equivalent for Anti-lag?
What's the superior nVidia equivalent for Radeon Image Sharpening?

No one is forced to use RT and definitely won't be anytime soon. Performance is still much better without RT with only a slight image quality difference. And yes, it is slight. It's like going from High to Ultra. Nice? Maybe, but not necessary, and definitely not at 50% performance loss.
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Having good power efficiency out of the box and not having to limit FPS to get decent efficiency?
Having higher framerates?
Having Freestyle which does that and more.. and works in more games?
 
Remij said:
Having good power efficiency out of the box and not having to limit FPS to get decent efficiency?
Having higher framerates?
Having Freestyle which does that and more.. and works in more games?
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nVidia's power efficiency is no longer better, if these benchmarks are true. Spare me the node talk. Until nVidia jumps to 7nm, AMD's cards seem to be more efficient. Of course this can still change when other reviews come out.
The RX580 has superior input lag to the GTX 1060 even when its framerate is lower. There is no reason to believe this will be different in the case of Navi.
At least you didn't say DLSS lol. But I doubt Freestyle can actually achieve that specific feature, but I guess we'll know more soon.

What are all these 'features' that AMD cards are missing according to you? Spare me the RT one. We already know your stance on that.
 
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Problem with this chart is that Navi 10 is 1.6x (32 in that relative density chart) rather than ~2.6x (~55) over 16nm which completely changes the per transistor cost. Navi 10 has ~40Mt/mm^2, compare this to Apple's A12 which has over 80 Mt/mm^2. For high-powered chips TSMC 7nm is half the claimed density.
 
Why does amd suck so much balls when it comes to their gpu lol. Console makers got the short end of the stick. I really hope amds poor decisions wont bottleneck next gen consoles. consoles are at the csup of having high end parts all around. amazing cpu, ssd. all it needs is a great gpu. hopefully cerny and ms figured out a away to make their gpus better for respective consoles.
 
ArabianPrynce said:
Why does amd suck so much balls when it comes to their gpu lol. Console makers got the short end of the stick. I really hope amds poor decisions wont bottleneck next gen consoles. consoles are at the csup of having high end parts all around. amazing cpu, ssd. all it needs is a great gpu. hopefully cerny and ms figured out a away to make their gpus better for respective consoles.
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Because Nvidia is a $100 billion company and AMD including both their CPU and GPU division is a $33 billion dollar company.

Nvidia's budget for R&D is considerably higher, but that doesn't stop AMD from getting close, and it hasn't stopped them from shitting on Intel.

You'll learn to be gracious someday.
 
DynamiteCop! said:
Because Nvidia is a $100 billion company and AMD including both their CPU and GPU division is a $33 billion dollar company.

Nvidia's budget for R&D is considerably higher, but that doesn't stop AMD from getting close, and it hasn't stopped them from shitting on Intel.

You'll learn to be gracious someday.
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I just hope that amds fucks wont affect next gen consoles. plz lord
 
ArabianPrynce said:
I just hope that amds fucks wont affect next gen consoles. plz lord
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Why would you be worried? They're essentially like for like with the 2070/Super right now with only 40 CU's, and their 64 CU limit under GCN doesn't exist anymore.

Nothing is stopping them from putting out a Navi 20 GPU with 64 CU's or even 80 CU's. They're on the right path, they have matched Nvidia's upper mid-range near day and date.
 
ArabianPrynce said:
Why does amd suck so much balls when it comes to their gpu lol. Console makers got the short end of the stick. I really hope amds poor decisions wont bottleneck next gen consoles. consoles are at the csup of having high end parts all around. amazing cpu, ssd. all it needs is a great gpu. hopefully cerny and ms figured out a away to make their gpus better for respective consoles.
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At least next-gen consoles have some form of Ray Tracing, with Scarlett being confirmed hardware RT.
PC Navi buyers are getting the shaft. High end prices for a card that isn't even on par feature wise with next-gen...
 
Leonidas said:
At least next-gen consoles have some form of Ray Tracing, with Scarlett being confirmed hardware RT.
PC Navi buyers are getting the shaft. High end prices for a card that isn't even on par feature wise with next-gen...
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People buying a card 3 days from now are getting lesser technology than what will be available 17 months from now?

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Leonidas said:
PC Navi buyers are getting the shaft. High end prices for a card that isn't even on par feature wise with next-gen...
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Might as well disable RT on 2070S and below, you aren't getting any decent performance with it on
Whats the point outside of a cool tech demo/showcase
 
2070 is end of line.

at 450 no one will buy this. rightfully so.
if they drop prices soon after launch. the early adapters / few fans RTG has left will be pissed.

the markup on this cards isn't funny anymore.
 
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