I've never said Vega will be just one SKU. What I disagreed with and, yes, continue to disagree with is that AMD's launch line-up will include an answer to the Ti. Considering the mild improvement the water-cooled FE represents, I'd say you're overestimating where the consumer version will land. Overclocking would close the gap, of course, possibly even to within striking distance, but the point is moot as the Ti can be overclocked.
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I've never said Vega will be just one SKU. What I disagreed with and, yes, continue to disagree with is that AMD's launch line-up will include an answer to the Ti. Considering the mild improvement the water-cooled FE represents, I'd say you're overestimating where the consumer version will land. Overclocking would close the gap, of course, possibly even to within striking distance, but the point is moot as the Ti can be overclocked.
abracadaver
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What's the difference between normal and limited?
Performance needs to match it or be on par at least, but we'll see. Wait for the benches.
StrongBlackVine
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You can get a 1080 for $450 these days if you know where to look.
$499 will be a disaster as far as I'm concerned.
ISee
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High end cards from Asus, MSI, Sapphire (and co.) could hold the ~1633 MHz needed for stock 1080 levels of performance. But we'll see how loud they'll be and how expansive.
Of course high end 1080s are able to oc to 2000-2038 MHz (at least)...
We'll see. I'm interested in how this is going to play out.
We were, a couple of months ago. But not anymore, at least not in central europe. Even the KFA2 1080 Exoc which cost slightly below 495€ (with tax) is now up to 570€. Much better models like the Asus 1080 strix went from ~560€ to ~670€
DemonCleaner
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that special edition cube showing framerate would be neat.
DemonCleaner
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https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/Radeon-RX-VEGA-64
that pretty much confirmes the naming scheme
i don't think we will be seeing cut down variants so short after 580 launch. maybe end of fall or something.
that pretty much confirmes the naming scheme
i don't think we will be seeing cut down variants so short after 580 launch. maybe end of fall or something.
Shin
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Not great at all and only about $30 cheaper than a GTX 1080, maybe it's because of HBM2 prices.
LelouchZero
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$500 sounds good for a GTX 1080 competitor!
DemonCleaner
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a whole lot better than $800...
thelastword
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Yes, perhaps not one sku, but you always denied there'd be a high clock sku going for the 1080Ti market, which in essence denies the third sku. As it stands, there are three high-end NV parts in the market that has to be combatted and this is what AMD is doing.....
Moreover, you said that, which isn't exactly right.....
Jasec said:
A Sku does not have to be a major deviation from a core configuration and by now we know they were not just engineering samples in any case...
56 CU's with similar clock and memory speeds or less is a sku. 64CU's air cooled with the reported 1630+945 MHZ is a sku and 64CU liquid cooled with higher clocks (say 1800+1100) is a sku. They are all alterations that provide varying levels of performance stemmed from a baseline configuration.
Not at all. It just means I don't think AMD currently has the 1080 Ti in its sights.
That's not me defining what an SKU is. It's me deducing that the C1, C2 and C3 may not be three separate SKUs.
Of course. By your own admission, then, the fact I don't think Vega will be coming out of the gate with a 1080 Ti equivalent doesn't mean I consider three SKUs an impossibility.
That's certainly a possibility, and one I never denied.
dgrdsv
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AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 rumored pricing and clocks
AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 Limited Edition and Liquid Edition launch gallery
Many photos of AC LE and WC RX Vega 64 editions there.
These seems to be incorrect according to what I've heard.
Different coolers, LE will have the grey metal one with illuminated R logo, regular is more or less a copy of Fury AC cooler.
What's so good in this? 1080 is $500 since March.
So much for being faster than Vega FE if these are true.
AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 Limited Edition and Liquid Edition launch gallery
Many photos of AC LE and WC RX Vega 64 editions there.
These seems to be incorrect according to what I've heard.
Different coolers, LE will have the grey metal one with illuminated R logo, regular is more or less a copy of Fury AC cooler.
What's so good in this? 1080 is $500 since March.
kirankara78
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We know clock speeds of air cooled and water cooled RX Vega are same as FE Vega.
We've seen benchmarks of a water cooled FE too, and nowhere near 1080TI performance. There's been nothing to indicate other than 1080 level performance
kirankara78
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Limited edition has brushed metal finish is difference according to Linustechtips
StrongBlackVine
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I can't see how any one believes $500 is a good price. It needs to undercut the 1080 not parity.
Lowered expectations.
If it's just a bit more expensive than a 1080 while being just a bit slower and consuming more power that's almost a win, right?
abracadaver
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What if it ends up being faster than a 1080?
longdi
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Vega seems like a bad backstep from Fury...
Why did AMD go back to full length PCB if they dont include a blower fan for the water edition?
In any case, i advise Vega buyers to get the water edition.
Limited edition supposedly come with milled aluminium case, not worth it. Considering Nvidia FE already uses aluminium. :/
Why did AMD go back to full length PCB if they dont include a blower fan for the water edition?
In any case, i advise Vega buyers to get the water edition.
Limited edition supposedly come with milled aluminium case, not worth it. Considering Nvidia FE already uses aluminium. :/
Melon Husk
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Having an alternative in the high-end range at all is a win. Pouncing on Nvidia with a $400 Vega 64 isn't happening (would be amazing).
If Vega does cryptomining well, you're probably going to have to wait for Volta.
dgrdsv
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So far it doesn't look like Vega will be able to outperform 1080 on $500 price so why would NV lower it's price even further? I do wonder what RX Vega 56 launching at $400 means for the price of 1070 though.
LelouchZero
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Hey, at least there's a competitor to the GTX 1080?
Maybe there could be some room for a lower price in a few weeks time or something depending on the reception?
We still need to the see the performance, although admittedly I don't have much faith with all of the silence. Nevertheless, it will be interesting to see what becomes of it.
It also comes in Red!
Hopefully there's some AIB models for $500 or less because damn, that reference cooler is probably going to be trash.
michaelius
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Expect a lot of fresh user accounts on all tech portals and forums praising how much cheaper Vega + freesync monitor is
Tortahegeszto
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Well here in Hungary the 1080 starts from around 620 euros, so 500 eur is actually reasonable if tax is included.
If not it's dead on arrival with our 27% VAT.
Cryptomining will probably distort sales away from normal expectations. Playing with pricing is probably pointless when the entire market is as out of kilter as it is right now. Assuming this card mines well it will probably be sold out regardless of normal consumer interest.
This.
500e for EU users would actually be good [currently].
1070 is now around 500e for cheaper models. Miners have screwed everything.
DemonCleaner
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shouldn't the NDA have run out by now?
SE holo cube:
SE holo cube:
shouldn't the NDA have run out by now?
SE holo cube:
This comes with every Special Edition? Or just the special press version handed out yesterday?
I believe it's tonight 7:30PM Pacific
RadioactiveLobster
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Video from LTX with a quick unboxing on the limited edtion and holo cube, plus a sneak peak at a Alienwere system with Threadripper in it.
Videocardz:
$399 for aircooled 56CU Vega
$499 for aircooled 64CU vega
and more for limmited/watercooled
I would gladly get 56CU Vega for 400€ if it manages to at least beat 1070 by a bit.
edit - my bad, it was Wccftech http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-vega-64-pricing-clocks-leaked-air-cooled-499-liquid-599/
$399 for aircooled 56CU Vega
$499 for aircooled 64CU vega
and more for limmited/watercooled
I would gladly get 56CU Vega for 400€ if it manages to at least beat 1070 by a bit.
edit - my bad, it was Wccftech http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-vega-64-pricing-clocks-leaked-air-cooled-499-liquid-599/
opticalmace
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Mind posting a link? I can't find the article that mentions the 56 one.
Sounds like 1070 and 1080 performance ish, respectively.
thelastword
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Maybe they won't launch it now but they can announce it. As it stands miners are sucking all the polaris cards from the market at much higher prices than msrp. Mid end to lower end cards with vega features and advancements should be a logical step.
Well even if Amd does not outright eclipse the 1080ti in performance. If it's a few fps shy of it's performance and offers that card at a pricepoint below that of the 1080ti, then it's targetting the ti and will disrupt that market segment.
It's you assuming that those samples were all the same config but different samples. Even then reports indicated that c1 to c3 had varying strength levels which is consistent with the 3 skus that will be unveiled today.Jasec said:
As i've said above. Vega does not have to outright beat the 1080ti to target it. If the difference is 5-10fps and the price is $50-100 cheaper. I think they will be in the drivers seat with that market segment. Notwithstanding how cheap a freesync monitor + Vega combo will be against a 1080ti + gsync combo.Jasec said:Of course. By your own admission, then, the fact I don't think Vega will be coming out of the gate with a 1080 Ti equivalent doesn't mean I consider three SKUs an impossibility.
Yes, but fe vega is not rx vega. We shall see some real gaming benchmarks and spec tests today.
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Deleted member 325805
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Does AMD have a Shadowplay equivalent, if so is it as good? I'd really miss that switching from Nvidia as it has absolutely no performance impact unlike every other program I've tried, plus you can record things that have already happened.
They kinda had but they dropped it i think. You can still use it but it is not officially supported by AMD i think. It is called Raptr.
Oh that is why they dropped Raptr.
RazorbackDB
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They dropped it implemented it in the driver now, video quality is very good and you can record the desktop so it works with pretty much everything.
Shin
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Yeah that's what I thought also, they ran an article a while back with those price points as well.
For a site that's full of crap it's good that they were somewhat right at least with those figures.
Now we just need to wait for all the benchmarks to happen to get a concrete idea where these cards are positioned.
Side note: I like ReLive's interface a lot more than Shadow Play, the simplicity of it is awesome, does it have a FPS counter though?
RazorbackDB
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If I remember correctly there's a hotkey to activate it in one of the tabs, can't say I have used it, I stick to AB+RTSS.
I remember see this https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1991639/ about the bandwidth controllers somehow regressing, would it be possible for AMD to have fixed that in time for the RX launch?
Naturally. I've neither said nor so much as implied that a Vega Ti equivalent would have to consistently beat the Ti in order to be a Vega Ti equivalent. Be comparable, yes; better, no.
I made no assumption. Assumptions are, by definition, definitive. Again, I made a deduction that they may not be three distinct SKUs. I presented an alternate possibility.
Edit: Also, with regard to your C1 = RX Vega 56, C2 = air-cooled RX Vega 64 and C3 = water-cooled RX Vega 64 supposition, you're forgetting the C1 also has 64 CUs. That rules out it being the RX Vega 56.
Naturally. I've never said nor so much as implied that a Vega Ti equivalent would have to consistently beat the Ti in order to be a Vega Ti equivalent. Be comparable, yes; better, no.
Sad Affleck
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Well this is anticlimactic. How long until the official reveal?