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[dDoc]

Ep 1, 2, 5 and 8 are top for me.

Followed by the rest, last of which are 3 and 4 as the slowest/worse of the whole lot

Good adaptation overall, but could have been so much better though with more action and Ellie/Joel moments.

 

[Ulysses 31]

This is the pattern with you when it comes to this IP.

You make an incorrect statement.

You are corrected that she doesn't.

You move the goalposts. How could she know the circumstances that leads to immunity? Is she knowledgeable on the topic of passive and active immunity, does she know about innate immunity and adaptive immunity?

Connect what dot? She is not an immunologist, she isn't pursuing the cure herself, they have a team of scientist doing that. They haven't figured it out in the 20 years of the pandemic but somehow Marlene who is not a scientist nor an immunologist should connect the dots and figure it out what causes Ellie to be immune?

Is Ellie the only child that has been born from an infected mother in the 20 years since the pandemic? How is Ellie unique in that regards? You are adding details that make the story less plausible.

Ellie is immune, the show treats this as pretty unique with no references to anyone else ever being immune. Once Marlene knows Ellie is immune why would she not start to think if there's something special about Ellie? Her mother being infected at the time of birth should've been a clue.

Ask yourself, what would connecting the dots as you prescribe add to the story? You are so smart; did you figure out the cause of COVID 19, or did you wait for much smarter people to create the vaccine?

The dots in this case would be that the mother lied or was mistaken about the baby being 100% free of infection and that perhaps killing Ellie within hours of getting to that hospital isn't the wisest of approaches. Whether the Fireflies are hardcore enough to go experimenting on pregnant women could've been interesting.

Because the other option was that Ellie is also infected therefore, she would have to kill Ellie as well. That is why the mom stressed that she'd been bitten after giving birth and not before.

So it's not beyond the mom to lie to save her new born child, I'm sure even Marlene could understand that. She probably would've killed the child if there were clear signs of infection either way.

 

[Neff]

1. Left Behind
2. Endure and Survive
3. Infected
4. When We Are in Need
5. When You're Lost in the Darkness
6. Look for the Light
7. Please Hold to My Hand
8. Kin
9. Long, Long Time

They were all good

 

[VulcanRaven]

1. Episode 3
2. Episode 1 (1st half)
3. Episode 5
4. Episode 2
5. Episode 8
6. Episode 9
7. Episode 6
8. Episode 4
9. Episode 7
10. Episode 1 (2nd half)

3 is one of the hours of TV I've ever seen

Episode 1 starts out absolutely amazing but the post-outbreak part is really poorly put together. Lots of jumping around without context. My family were hooked after the first 30 mins but barely wanted to watch episode 2 after the rest.

Episode 4 is basically just a set up for 5, which delivers a huge payoff.

7 has some amazing ambience but the teenage love story feels forced and pretty cringe. Especially as it's someone who's nearly 17 getting with a 14 year-old.

I can understand that about episode 1. It was the weakest part of the game too.

 

[3liteDragon]

EP8 was the best one.

8 > 3 > 6 > 5 > 7 > 9 > 2 > 1 > 4

 

[Batiman]

Episode 1 was the best. TBH the show turned out to be a little disappointing in the end. The season starts off so slow then completely rushes everything in the last episode. Episode 3 was done really well

 

[Punished Miku]

I made it through the first 4. Half of episode 5.

3 is the only episode with any story, characters or acting. The rest were totally forgettable, with good set dressing. Just wasn't doing anything for me.

 

[PixelatedBeast]

ep9 was by far the best one, and even then only because it was saved by the hospital rampage scene, (which was shot kinda weird as well...)
everything else was just boring and uneventful.

So you're saying Episode 5 wasnt a banger with the infected hoarde and bloater? It was definitely better than the game.

 

[VulcanRaven]

So you're saying Episode 5 wasnt a banger with the infected hoarde and bloater? It was definitely better than the game.

I actually didn't like that part. Bloater felt out of place. I would have introduced it in the tunnels to make it more scary.

 

[ThePsychicSaw]

Its always odd to me how mass opinions are formed unreasonably. Hivemind.

Episode 3 in a vacuum is a below average episode, due to illogical storytelling, tonal inconsistencies, and objective irrelevance to the protagonists save a contrived letter in the end.

not in a vacuum and compared to the story it is derived from, it is an abomination of self indulgent fodder that does an absurd disservice to the original characters, their interactions, and their affect on the main characters, the world, and their journey.

if you think this is great storytelling, you are objectively wrong and misunderstand everything about the journey of ellie and joel and their evolution together.

 

[PixelatedBeast]

I actually didn't like that part. Bloater felt out of place. I would have introduced it in the tunnels to make it more scary.

I just think that was the misdirection for viewers who played the game. You would have expected a bloater to be in the tunnels. Same way how many people expected Tommy, Joel and Sarah to get hit by another car in EP.1, but it was topped by a plane crash.

 

[Hitchyhero]

Its always odd to me how mass opinions are formed unreasonably. Hivemind.

Episode 3 in a vacuum is a below average episode, due to illogical storytelling, tonal inconsistencies, and objective irrelevance to the protagonists save a contrived letter in the end.

not in a vacuum and compared to the story it is derived from, it is an abomination of self indulgent fodder that does an absurd disservice to the original characters, their interactions, and their affect on the main characters, the world, and their journey.

if you think this is great storytelling, you are objectively wrong and misunderstand everything about the journey of ellie and joel and their evolution together.

Episode 3 had the best storytelling BECAUSE it was the only one that told the journey of the characters and the relationship well.

If Joel and Ellies relationship was told in a similar way I'd have been very happy. But tbh in the TV show I wasn't convinced of their relationship. Joel and Ellies relationship seemed none existent to me, and was very hollow. The game did it much better

 

[kiphalfton]

Don't get how you guys discern one episode from the next.

It all melts together for every single TV show I've ever watched.

 

[SkylineRKR]

5 was the high point. But actually, there wasn't that much action in this show at all.

I think they should've done the story over 2 seasons. The entire story of part 1, plus Left Behind, was crammed into one season. Which in my opinion hurt it as Winter and its characters as well as Ellie's development was severely cut down.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

in terms of craftsmanship and storytelling, Episode 3 was the best by far. 10/10

the rest was meh and some in the boring side .

especially the third act of the story was pretty lackluster. the game did it better.

6/10 overall

 

[Sacred]

So many fantastic episodes that had fantastic writing. 3 was definitely a masterpiece, but holy shit 8 was so damn intense. Only episode I really didn't like was 4, felt like 4 and 5 should have been 1 episode.

3
8
1
7
9
5
2
6
4

 

[LostDonkey]

My favourite episode was where they were sneaking through buildings of infected, crafting traps and weapons and using stealth and distraction to survive!

Oh wait....

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

So you're saying Episode 5 wasnt a banger with the infected hoarde and bloater? It was definitely better than the game.

It was alright, wasn't tense at all though, the horde just kills a bunch of faceless random and big boi shows up and...does basically nothing only to then walk off into the sunrise never to be seen again

 

[twilo99]

It did pretty well on IMDB, blue star is my score

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[BennyBlanco]

Ep 5 was the peak but they were all pretty good

 

[Spukc]

Episode 3 is the best episode ever made.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Don't get how you guys discern one episode from the next.

It all melts together for every single TV show I've ever watched.

Its just 9 episodes and I think they are very different from each other.

 

[Zephyrus0]

I'm stunned people think episode 3 is good.
Filler all around and ruined a character from the games.

 

[DForce]

5
1
6
2
4
9
7
8
3

 

[Sleepwalker]

The DLC one was the worst by far

The best was the one where the bloater kills a bunch of people and tears someones head off, the rest are all a blur

 

[DForce]

Another issue this "addition" brings is that Marlene knew what could make people be born with immunities but she did nothing with that information in pursuit of the cure.

Then that's real dumb of her not to connect the dots when she's also pursuing the cure as hard as she was.

Why would she not start to think of what set Ellie apart from everyone else? She believed the mom initially sure, but once she discovered the immunity a smart person would've started connecting the dots when perusing a cure. Marlene seemed to have doubts at first and the mom had to stress that she'd been bitten afterwards.

Marlene didn't know Ellie was immune until she was bitten, and that was 3 weeks prior to meeting Joel.

You love to point out how the fireflies are incompetent so, let's use your argument here.

In order to see if the theory is true, then Marlene would have to find a mother who is willing to sacrifice her life before giving birth to her child. On top of all of this, Marlene would have to infect the child to see if it's immune.

 

[Teletraan1]

Filler episodes were for when you had to have 24 episodes in a season or are stalling because the source material is not far ahead. They simply do not belong in a 9 episode season. It was a nice self contained episode that would have been perfect in a season 3 of something and changed up the flow of the show. As a 3rd episode it took me right out of the show.

 

[Later Alligator]

5 was the best
7 was the worst

enjoyed the whole season

 

[Ulysses 31]

Marlene didn't know Ellie was immune until she was bitten, and that was 3 weeks prior to meeting Joel.

You love to point out how the fireflies are incompetent so, let's use your argument here.

In order to see if the theory is true, then Marlene would have to find a mother who is willing to sacrifice her life before giving birth to her child. On top of all of this, Marlene would have to infect the child to see if it's immune.

The Fireflies have shown they've willing to kill teen patients without informed consent so lying about the kind of tests they'd be doing on a pregnant woman doesn't seem so beyond them to me.

 

[DForce]

The Fireflies have shown they've willing to kill teen patients without informed consent so lying about the kind of tests they'd be doing on a pregnant woman doesn't seem so beyond them to me.

You missed the point.

You said the fireflies were incompetent for not informing Ellie first.

Now you're saying Marlene should've infected the mother and then the child to make someone who is immune. So this goes against your incompetent narrative you always push.

 

[Ulysses 31]

You missed the point.

You said the fireflies were incompetent for not informing Ellie first.

That's not incompetence, just very unethical. The incompetency with them is how rushed the operation is after just a few hours when there's no way they could've known all there is to know about Ellie's immunity.

Now you're saying Marlene should've infected the mother and then the child to make someone who is immune. So this goes against your incompetent narrative you always push.

If the Fireflies are hardcore enough in pursuit of a cure then yes(they have the unethical part down at least).

 

[DForce]

That's not incompetence, just very unethical. The incompetency with them is how rushed the operation is after just a few hours when there's no way they could've known all there is to know about Ellie's immunity.

If the Fireflies are hardcore enough in pursuit of a cure then yes(they have the unethical part down at least).

It's the inability to do something unsuccessfully.

You're saying Marlene should've bypassed all of this (from a story perspective). She would need to find a willing participant to sacrifice their life and two, the child would have to later agree to risk their life.

This scenario from a story standpoint wouldn't make sense.

 

[daveonezero]

After the escape from the city I honestly couldn’t tell you what was what. I lost interest.

 

[Ulysses 31]

It's the inability to do something unsuccessfully.

You're saying Marlene should've bypassed all of this (from a story perspective). She would need to find a willing participant to sacrifice their life and two, the child would have to later agree to risk their life.

Nah, would've made more sense if Joel and Ellie had gotten time to tie any loose ends first(assuming Ellie's still willing to undergo the operation at that point in her life).

The tv show's "addition" is what's making Marlene (and the Fireflies) seem more incompetent than in the game.

Why you assume she's not willing to lie about the true purpose of the experiments? We've seen getting informed consent is not an issue for her.

This scenario from a story standpoint wouldn't make sense.

Not if the FireFlies are hardcore enough to pursue that avenue.

 

[DForce]

Nah, would've made more sense if Joel and Ellie had gotten time to tie any loose ends first(assuming Ellie's still willing to undergo the operation at that point in her life).

The tv show's "addition" is what's making Marlene (and the Fireflies) seem more incompetent than in the game.

Why you assume she's not willing to lie about the true purpose of the experiments? We've seen getting informed consent is not a roadblock for her.

From a logical standpoint, it would've made sense for both Marlene and Joel ask Ellie first.

From a story perspective, it wouldn't. They made Ellie unconscious for a reason because it would allow Marlene and Joel to make the decision for her. The wrench in all of this is that Marlene and Joel both knew what Ellie wanted to do.

The TV show is the same as the game. You're getting your talking points from tlou2 reddit, which always fails. lol

Not if the FireFlies are hardcore enough to pursue that avenue.

You assuming they would based on your misinterpretation of the fireflies. The other day you said the notes prove how reckless they were and when I asked you to quote these documents, you basically admitted it wasn't true.


The story wouldn't make too much sense and it would be far too convenient for both the mother and the child (when older) to be willing participants. You also have a character in Ellie who is willing to sacrifice her life already.

Now if you're talking about from a realistic/logical standpoint, then this scenario would be way more unlikely unless they were forced to do it. This would go against the narrative of the story because the Fireflies aren't seen as bad guys.


A lot of these things are often considered while writing the story, but people on tlou2 reddit think they can find holes in the story in a matter of days.

 

[VulcanRaven]

From a story perspective, it wouldn't. They made Ellie unconscious for a reason because it would allow Marlene and Joel to make the decision for her. The wrench in all of this is that Marlene and Joel both knew what Ellie wanted to do.

Ellie didn't know she would die. They show her talk about the future with Joel in episodes 6 and 9.

 

[DForce]

Ellie didn't know she would die. They show her talk about the future with Joel in episodes 6 and 9.

Ellie didn't know she was going to die, but they both knew the decision Ellie would have wanted to make. That's why Joel lied to her.

 

[xrnzaaas]

4/10
6/10
2/10
3/10
6/10
3/10
2/10
5/10
6/10

Yes, I didn't like the show and I'm not coming back for season 2. I liked the clicker encounter in episode 2, but didn't like the changed ending in that episode. The finale was the best episode, but not by much.

 

[RyRy93]

Ep. 3 was the one that I found most interesting (I always thought the game section of Bill’s town was boring to be honest) and the action in Ep. 5 was awesome.

The rest were generally just ok with 1 and 8 probably being the highlights amongst them.

 

[Ulysses 31]

From a logical standpoint, it would've made sense for both Marlene and Joel ask Ellie first.

From a story perspective, it wouldn't. They made Ellie unconscious for a reason because it would allow Marlene and Joel to make the decision for her. The wrench in all of this is that Marlene and Joel both knew what Ellie wanted to do.

The TV show is the same as the game. You're getting your talking points from tlou2 reddit, which always fails. lol

Nah, in the TV show Ellie is conscious but Marlene still choose not to inform her. It's ultimately still Ellie's choice to make but the Fireflies took it away from her first.

You assuming they would based on your misinterpretation of the fireflies. The other day you said the notes prove how reckless they were and when I asked you to quote these documents, you basically admitted it wasn't true.

And I've corrected myself by limiting to the recording which still prove my point that the Fireflies had made no advancements in developing a vaccine(which implies failures) which casts doubt on the Fireflies competency.

Somehow you seem to think being wrong on a detail that I'd have to admit being wrong about everything else.

The story wouldn't make too much sense and it would be far too convenient for both the mother and the child (when older) to be willing participants.

Neither does the being immune because you were born shortly after the mother got infected but the show included it so it has to deal with additional issues. The Fireflies don't concern themselves with getting informed consent so why wouldn't they perform experiments on a pregnant women under false pretences for their agenda?

Makes even less sense to decide that the best action to take is to kill your only living specimen after just hours and not do all kinds of tests first.

You also have a character in Ellie who is willing to sacrifice her life already.

Throughout the game she talks about being afraid of being alone and by the end of the game/show she's found someone to have a future with. That she's willing to give that up at a moment's notice without ever being asking, yeah I pick

Now if you're talking about from a realistic/logical standpoint, then this scenario would be way more unlikely unless they were forced to do it. This would go against the narrative of the story because the Fireflies aren't seen as bad guys.

Once they showed their hand want in willing to kill a teen without informed consent they did become the villains to me as well as cast doubt on distributing the vaccine fairly if they ever developed one.

 

[DelireMan7]

Can't do a full ranking but basically

8 is my favorite

3 my least favorite (nice story but brings barely anything to the story, filler episode for me, for not saying removing screentime for actually relevant stuff)

Overall the 3 first were underwhelming and then it gradually got better.

 

[mrmustard]

It was a mixed bag. A few nice episodes, but more mediocre and bad episodes. Some logic gaps.

Worst: 6, 7 (5 was also not good, but at least some action).
Best: 8

 

[BaneIsPain]

2,5,8, and 9. Maybe between 2 and 5.

 

[Outlier]

I only watched Ep.1&3, to see how much was changed.

1 was fine, but 3 was a great surprise. I know people complained about Bill not being portrayed as he was in the game, but it's the same character, but in different context. The game Bill was angry and filled with grief, while show bill was paranoid, but happy.

Didn't care to watch the others.

 

[DForce]

Nah, in the TV show Ellie is conscious but Marlene still choose not to inform her. It's ultimately still Ellie's choice to make but the Fireflies took it away from her first.

If Marlene and Joel knew what Ellie what have wanted to do, then why didn't Marlene wait? A reasonable explanation is that Marlene knew, killing her while she was unconscious would make things easier for her.

Both Joel and Marlene knew what Ellie wanted. There's no denying this.

And I've corrected myself by limiting to the recording which still prove my point that the Fireflies had made no advancements in developing a vaccine(which implies failures) which casts doubt on the Fireflies competency.

You corrected yourself after I asked you to quote the notes. You put your faith in other people's interpretation without reading it yourself. This is what most people do when it comes to this story.

Somehow you seem to think being wrong on a detail that I'd have to admit being wrong about everything else.

Oh, you're not going to admit when you're wrong, you're just going to find a way to justify your statement.

Neither does the being immune because you were born shortly after the mother got infected but the show included it so it has to deal with additional issues. The Fireflies don't concern themselves with getting informed consent so why wouldn't they perform experiments on a pregnant women under false pretences for their agenda?

Marlene asked Joel to bring her to fireflies so they can transport her to the hospital. This is before she found out that making a vaccine would kill her. Marlene thought this was their best chance to make a cure, and the fireflies wouldn't do this unless Marlene gave them permission to do it.

You're putting the entire group in a bucket and that's not going to work. There's no proof that they would act this way when it comes to their nature.

Makes even less sense to decide that the best action to take is to kill your only living specimen after just hours and not do all kinds of tests first.

Do you not realize Jerry was running tests? Don't remember the photos and records he made at the hospital documenting his progress?

Throughout the game she talks about being afraid of being alone and by the end of the game/show she's found someone to have a future with. That she's willing to give that up at a moment's notice without ever being asking, yeah I pick

Once they showed their hand want in willing to kill a teen without informed consent they did become the villains to me as well as cast doubt on distributing the vaccine fairly if they ever developed one.

It's already been confirmed what she would have wanted to do.

Anyone watching the ending of TLOu 1 should know that Joelw as upset at Ellie. For someone who claims they made the hospital look cleaner to give weight to the Firefly's actions should know that the dialog between Joel and Marlene was to tel the audience that they both knew what Ellie would have wanted.

That means Ellie was making future plans without knowing what was going to happen, but if was given the option to sacrifice her life, then she would have done it.

I don't know how anyone could watch the ending of the game and think otherwise. lol

 

[ChoosableOne]

Episode 3? Seriously?

 

[aygomyownroad]

Overall it was rushed and that harmed the whole season. It could easily have been two seasons, had more action, have single stories like in episode 3.
Winter should have been a couple of episodes easily. Intact episode 1 could have benefited from being 2 episodes.

The lack of infected after episode 5 just hurt the whole thing, and it became another post apocalypse show

 

[Ulysses 31]

If Marlene and Joel knew what Ellie what have wanted to do, then why didn't Marlene wait? A reasonable explanation is that Marlene knew, killing her while she was unconscious would make things easier for her.

Both Joel and Marlene knew what Ellie wanted. There's no denying this.

Nah, unless it came from Ellie's mouth in that period, there's room for doubt and when there's any doubt, you don't go something irreversible like killing. In your worldview people are allowed to take the life of others without asking when they believe it's what the other would've wanted and that's horrible.

If there was no time in the story to confirm with Ellie then that might change things but when there's plenty of opportunity to confirm for yourself but you don't, it makes the ones taking choice away more evil and Joel responded appropriately to that evil.

You corrected yourself after I asked you to quote the notes. You put your faith in other people's interpretation without reading it yourself. This is what most people do when it comes to this story.

And it didn't weaken my points about the competency of the Fireflies.

Oh, you're not going to admit when you're wrong, you're just going to find a way to justify your statement.

I'll gladly admit I'm wrong in light of important new details that I didn't know of, so far the corrections I made don't change my overall points.

Marlene asked Joel to bring her to fireflies so they can transport her to the hospital. This is before she found out that making a vaccine would kill her. Marlene thought this was their best chance to make a cure, and the fireflies wouldn't do this unless Marlene gave them permission to do it.

Note quite, Marlene hints at that the others left her no choice but to approve the surgery.

You're putting the entire group in a bucket and that's not going to work. There's no proof that they would act this way when it comes to their nature.

The others wanted to kill Joel but Marlene intervened, so it's not strange I don't think of the Fireflies as a general force for good in the world.

Do you not realize Jerry was running tests? Don't remember the photos and records he made at the hospital documenting his progress?

How many tests could he have done in a couple of hours realistically? To come to the conclusion to kill their only living specimen so soon is not confidence inspiring.

It's already been confirmed what she would have wanted to do.

It's confirmed what she wanted to happen in a scenario she was never in, years after the fact with a lot of built up bitterness and resentment. I don't see how that proves what TLOU1 Ellie would've wanted to happen.

Anyone watching the ending of TLOu 1 should know that Joelw as upset at Ellie. For someone who claims they made the hospital look cleaner to give weight to the Firefly's actions should know that the dialog between Joel and Marlene was to tel the audience that they both knew what Ellie would have wanted.

Nop, Joel and Marlene might believe they know what Ellie wants but without confirming in the moment there's room for doubt. Joel and Marlene have different stakes whether Ellie lives or dies that might be clouding their judgement, only Ellie could've cleared it up back then.

That means Ellie was making future plans without knowing what was going to happen, but if was given the option to sacrifice her life, then she would have done it.

Not to me, she finally wasn't "alone" anymore and making a big contribution to helping cure the world is also important for her. Those 2 things become at odds at some point in the story and to just assume one trumps the other I find doubtful which is why Ellie should've had the final say when there was the opportunity.

 

[fermcr]

Still haven't seen the series... is it worth wasting my time watching it or is it like most over-hyped crap on TV nowadays?

 

[GametimeUK]

Still haven't seen the series... is it worth wasting my time watching it or is it like most over-hyped crap on TV nowadays?

Keep your expectations in check. I enjoyed my time with the series and its quite short. Absolutely worth giving a go since it's not a massive investment.