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(Reasonable folks please) Comparing the 360 Premium vs the PS3 core

Wi-Fi, bigger harddisk and memory sticks are things that you can add yourself later, but no HMDI is the sticking point. All this would be moot if Sony later releases an HDMI through Multi-AV cable, but that might be wishful thinking.

Anyway, for me the $599 is great value. I just wish they'd kept the boomerang controller and didn't go for that motion sensing crap.
 
Pedigree Chum said:
Man if that ain't grasping for straws...

Yes, because money magically appears when the item in question costs below $100. Per annum.

Seriously, get your fucking naysaying out of here. Yeah, the price is shit, but not much worse then what we've already seen, if you have half a brain to count the total costs.
 
Do you really, truly believe that online gaming will be 100% free?
You don't think you'll be subsidising it through other channels AT ALL!?
 
Yeah, the price is shit, but not much worse then what we've already seen, if you have half a brain to count the total costs.

All the peripheral stuff is secondary to the vast amount of people that want a PS3 to play *games*. If the games at launch are good enough, then the price may not be as bad as it seems now with the extras that the PS3 comes with.

However, I certainly can't see the PS3 launch games illustrating the value of BluRay etc in a *games* capacity, especially in comparison to 360's similar type games, and Wii on the other hand with it's different slant on things.

The biggest issue on high price is not so much that it's unaffordable, it's that there will be many other things competeing for my hard-earned cash at Xmas, and then it will come down to what *value* the PS3 offers at launch. Which is entirely subjective, and comes down to many factors.
 
Jonnyram said:
Do you really, truly believe that online gaming will be 100% free?
You don't think you'll be subsidising it through other channels AT ALL!?

if sony says online play is free, i take that as YES its free
they will also have payed items on their network like downloads etc.. but thats normal to pay I guess .
And yes 500-600 $ / €is a lot of money but if I have an added bleuray player for that price i'm happy.
 
Zaptruder said:
Yes, because money magically appears when the item in question costs below $100. Per annum.

Seriously, get your fucking naysaying out of here. Yeah, the price is shit, but not much worse then what we've already seen, if you have half a brain to count the total costs.
How can you speak like that? The fucking core pack is AU$829 and premium is AU$999 according to Australian newspapers.
Sony have totally jibbed us. Then we'll see them throw a nancy when anyone trys to import it from overseas.

From what I understand Sony's online plan didn't detail what was going with games but more about messenging, community etc so you could still be paying for online services.

Scramble to the hive :lol
 
haven't read 5 pages, but I agree with your post Sonycowboy.

From a games point of view, sony are basically offering the X360 premium pack for more money (sony 'premium' pricing as usual).

Plus both skus get a HDD so thats a benefit.


I think my only concern is the bluray stuff. And if sony don't mind people being confused if they can't play bluray movies, then thats their business. I want bluray movies, so I'll buy the expensive version
 
Fresh Prince said:
From what I understand Sony's online plan didn't detail what was going with games but more about messenging, community etc so you could still be paying for online services.

They didnt mention paying for online gameplay because its an open model. 3rd parties are going to dictate the online market from now on. And Im sure the more cynical among us predict seperate fees from every 3rd party imaginable just because they can, but I doubt that market would hold up. Im going to guess the majority of subscription based gameplay will be relegated to MMOs (which look to be headed for a huge push on Sony's platform). And yeah, the milking from microtransactions as an industry revenue stream is only going to get bigger and bigger going forward.
 
hukasmokincaterpillar said:
They didnt mention paying for online gameplay because its an open model. 3rd parties are going to dictate the online market from now on. And Im sure the more cynical among us predict seperate fees from every 3rd party imaginable just because they can, but I doubt that market would hold up. Im going to guess the majority of subscription based gameplay will be relegated to MMOs (which look to be headed for a huge push on Sony's platform). And yeah, the milking from microtransactions as an industry revenue stream is only going to get bigger and bigger going forward.
Cool thanks for that info.
 
Fresh Prince said:
How can you speak like that? The fucking core pack is AU$829 and premium is AU$999 according to Australian newspapers.
Sony have totally jibbed us. Then we'll see them throw a nancy when anyone trys to import it from overseas.

From what I understand Sony's online plan didn't detail what was going with games but more about messenging, community etc so you could still be paying for online services.

Scramble to the hive :lol

Because I paid for the X360, wifi and P&C kit already. If I want HDDVD, that'll be another 150 ontop of the $830 for the X360 premium+wifi+P&C.

Like I said, if you have half the brain to count the costs, it tabulates pretty quickly.
 
kikonawa said:
if sony says online play is free, i take that as YES its free
they will also have payed items on their network like downloads etc.. but thats normal to pay I guess .
And yes 500-600 $ / €is a lot of money but if I have an added bleuray player for that price i'm happy.



Wow because Sony has been a beckon of truth lately, it pays off to be at least a bit critical.

Paying for live doesnÂ’t bother me because it has yet to become the slum that other free online services are.

You get what you pay for so donÂ’t expect the world from a free online service.


Zaptruder said:
Because I paid for the X360, wifi and P&C kit already. If I want HDDVD, that'll be another 150 ontop of the $830 for the X360 premium+wifi+P&C.

Like I said, if you have half the brain to count the costs, it tabulates pretty quickly.

What is your point?

The good thing about M$Â’s approach is that you donÂ’t need to buy those optional extraÂ’s if you DONÂ’T NEED THEM! With the PS3 you are forced to pay for those extraÂ’s if you will use them or not!

I donÂ’t need wifi I donÂ’t need a better DVD player
 
Do The Mario said:
Wow because Sony has been a beckon of truth lately, it pays off to be at least a bit critical.

Paying for live doesn’t bother me because it has yet to become the slum that other free online services are.

You get what you pay for so don’t expect the world from a free online service.




What is your point?

The good thing about M$’s approach is that you don’t need to buy those optional extra’s if you DON’T NEED THEM! With the PS3 you are forced to pay for those extra’s if you will use them or not!

I don’t need wifi I don’t need a better DVD player

Thanks to Sony, I won't need to buy a HDDVD player, so I guess I'm saving some money for myself, because I do plan on using all its features (sans 1080p support ;o)
 
If Sony Online services were going to be anywhere near XBOX Live services then Sony would point blank make it known that thier comparable services is completly free. The didnt show much beyond the eCommerce aspects and didnt make it clear that the complete service will be free.

As for costs of units. Remember with the PS3 60 to add the cost of Component or HDMI cable when comparing to 360.

PS3 60 $599.95
+$29.95 High Def Cable
+$29.95 Headset
+$29.95 Remote Control

I dont need or want HD-DVD or BluRay.
I dont need to spend $100 on a WiFi adapter for 360

At this point in time you cant say Sony online service is free.

Fact of the matter is that I can take the extra couple of hundred dollars Sony is forcing me to spend and use it on games with the 360. I can upgrade the other features when I want to if ever. Not to mention WiFi there are cheaper alternatives to the MS WiFi adapter. Not to mention I believe by the time the PS3 is available in quantities so joe gamer can walk into Target and pick one up the 360 will be reduced in price $50-$100 (Around this time next year).
 
Zaptruder said:
Because I paid for the X360, wifi and P&C kit already. If I want HDDVD, that'll be another 150 ontop of the $830 for the X360 premium+wifi+P&C.

Like I said, if you have half the brain to count the costs, it tabulates pretty quickly.

Why did you spend $100 on the WiFi? Thier are cheaper alternatives. You think that Sony will give away chargers for the PS3 controllers?
 
if sony says online play is free, i take that as YES its free

wow - sonys word is still worth something ?!

i kid somewhat, but seriously, you not thing just accepting what they say after the last few days revelations is somewhat foolhardy?
 
KeithFranklin said:
Why did you spend $100 on the WiFi? Thier are cheaper alternatives. You think that Sony will give away chargers for the PS3 controllers?

By chargers you mean 5 pin USB cables? yeah probably.
 
One can do all the feature lists and value comparisons one wants.

The key realization is this:

By fall next year, both platforms will be done selling through to early adopters. Casual Guy will be looking for a new machine for GTA4. He will have a choice between a $200 entry level on one platform, and a $400 entry level on the other.

More games for the $200 machine will be on the shelves. Casual Guy will have more friends with the $200 machine to trade games with.

Casual guy may be swayed by the fact that the $400 machine has the same brand name as his previous machine, or not.
 
Kolgar said:
Agreed. Sony's jeopardized the PlayStation brand and the whole damn company because they've priced the thing out of range of the people who've supported them in the first place.

These folks won't labor over the decision. They'll look at 360 with its second-gen, hi-def games, say "Fuck it," and walk out of the store with a green box under their arm.

Agreed.

Sony's going to get spanked by the 360 based on the pricing that exists for awhile. It's simply too expensive to be adopted at traditional playstation rates, IMO. The 360 will look like a hell of a nice buy and it's got a nice library building.

However, this would have been true in 2006 and early 2007 anyway. The PS3 was always going to be supply constrained and the 360 was going to take advantage. That hasn't changed even with the unholy PS3 pricing. Unless the PS3 doesn't sell out in 2006, which is probably unlikely, but it is possible.

My initial point was that I think the PS3 core pack compares quite well to the 360 Premium. However, on paper the original Xbox compared favorably to the Playstation 2 and look how that turned out. It's not about the specs or point-by-point issues for 98% of gamers. It's about affordability and the games. In this area Sony loses BIG FUCKING TIME. I absolutely agree.

However, for the 2% of us that make up this message board in large part, it's not quite as bad. I buy a good 20+ games a year minimum, which is well over a grand and it's because I buy the games I like to play. That isnt' going to change for me, and probably not for most of the folks on this board.

We have Sony fans split on the issue and the XBox fans laughing that Sony fans have to deal with this issue at all and they see the mountain of opportunity that the 360 is absolutely going to take advantage of. It's a shitty situation to be in if you like Playstation franchises, but apparently Blu-Ray is a double edged sword. It's a competative advantage that many have been looking forward to, but the cost seems to have majorly gotten away from Sony.

I honestly believe that they're pricing this as low as they can without killing the company, which says something. They put all their eggs in the CELL/Blu-Ray basket and it's come back to bite them and us in the ass.

The next 12 months should be incredibly interesting as the dominance of the Playstation brand is going to be put to a SEVERE test and we'll see if it's as strong in Japan, Europe, and even the US as many here think. It will be a testament to that strength if they can somehow manage a complete sell out of 4M units in 2006 with this pricing and 6M by March 2007. I'm not quite sure they can do it.

I do know however, that, on paper, it's a damn good system, but we absolutely are paying for Blu-Ray and not getting the free ride many of us hoped for.
 
My problem with Sony's pricing model isn't that it includes crippled Blu-Ray, it's that I'm PAYING for it. Look, I know they feel they need it as a selling point, and to push the technology, but if it's crippled, I just don't want it at all. They should have kept games on DVD, and given us one model that had no Blu-Ray at a cost of $399, and then one high end model with everything including HDMI and Blu-Ray, for $600 or $700 or whatever they wanted to sell it for.

My TV doesn't support HDMI, so that loss isn't a big deal to me. Just don't make me eat the cost of your new tech when I can't even take full advanatage of it in the hardware you're selling me.
 
Another point that I saw mentioned in another thread was that the official line from Sony on the PS3 delay from spring was HDMI related. The fact that one of the SKU's doesn'te evn have HDMI is just bizarre whan that was supposedly the reason it was delayed!
 
Rhindle said:
One can do all the feature lists and value comparisons one wants.

The key realization is this:

By fall next year, both platforms will be done selling through to early adopters. Casual Guy will be looking for a new machine for GTA4. He will have a choice between a $200 entry level on one platform, and a $400 entry level on the other.

More games for the $200 machine will be on the shelves. Casual Guy will have more friends with the $200 machine to trade games with.

Casual guy may be swayed by the fact that the $400 machine has the same brand name as his previous machine, or not.

Exactly. Sony would have to make such an unprecedented drop in price to start matching up as a competitively priced games console that it just doesn't sound feasible. In the beginning it doesn't matter that much since early adopters and launch hype rule. However, later the price disparity will very likely scale linearly for both consoles...and X360 will, until there is a flattening at some point near $149 ('08-'09), always be the less expensive, core-use go-to choice for most. This is assuming that Blu-Ray isn't going to take the world by storm. And, looking at the mass market acceptance for DVD for measure, I think it's a very good assumption that it won't and, instead, creep into mass market relevance sometime in '09 or later. And really, this underscores the main motivation behind the price and, in a larger sense, PS3: Blu-Ray. I don't think it's very good bet since both consoles are targeting the same audience with 90% of the same exact ammo (games).
 
I think Microsft really caught Sony off guard in 2005....

...and Sony just made up their 'PS3' with CELL processor they were developing. But the rest was vaporware. 'Lets see, 3 RJ-45 sounds nice, oh oh 2 HDMI that should rock, WiFi OF COURSE, maybe HDD?, controller? someone do an artwork please!...uhm...a little more here...OK finished'

And now they realized that they couldnt make their PS3 dream be true...and cheap. Solution, lets take some things off, lets put 2 sku just like xbox360, online like xbox360 and controller like wii.


Yeah, I might:D be wrong, but it feels that way.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
Exactly. Sony would have to make such an unprecedented drop in price to start matching up as a competitively priced games console that it just doesn't sound feasible. In the beginning it doesn't matter that much since early adopters and launch hype rule. However, later the price disparity will very likely scale linearly for both consoles...and X360 will, until there is a flattening at some point near $149 ('08-'09), always be the less expensive, core-use go-to choice for most. This is assuming that Blu-Ray isn't going to take the world by storm. And, looking at the mass market acceptance for DVD for measure, I think it's a very good assumption that it won't and, instead, creep into mass market relevance sometime in '09 or later. And really, this underscores the main motivation behind the price and, in a larger sense, PS3: Blu-Ray. I don't think it's very good bet since both consoles are targeting the same audience with 90% of the same exact ammo (games).

There's no guarantees the price will scale linearly. Isn't it entirely likely that MS is losing significant money per X360 while Sony simply refuses to do so when they know they can sell every launch unit regardless? When sales slow they can then stir up a ton of buzz with some major price cuts.

If MS is losing say, $100 per system and Sony isn't thats a hell of a pricing advantage for Sony.
 
There's no guarantees the price will scale linearly. Isn't it entirely likely that MS is losing significant money per X360 while Sony simply refuses to do so when they know they can sell every launch unit regardless? When sales slow they can then stir up a ton of buzz with some major price cuts.

That's all fine and well, but 'major price cuts' would really have to be orchestrated well to avoid pissing off consumers. Consumers are used to $50 here, $50 dollars , but suppose people got wind that PS3 was gonna have a $100 price cut, or even $150? That is going to affect people purchasing at the higher price. And if word doesn't get out, and a $100 price cut is sprung on people, then there will be many hacked off punters. Just look to MS in Europe with the original Xbox release where they gave 2 free games away as an apology to early adopters who paid full price :lol
 
Drek said:
There's no guarantees the price will scale linearly. Isn't it entirely likely that MS is losing significant money per X360 while Sony simply refuses to do so when they know they can sell every launch unit regardless? When sales slow they can then stir up a ton of buzz with some major price cuts.
Of course, there are no guarantees in any of this...and especially this gen. However, I think it's a very logical conclusion, assuming some generally constant trends that reoccur every single generation. I don't see Sony making money on the PS3 itself until way later into its lifespan...3 years...maybe a little longer. And, like I said, unless Blu-Ray takes off in a major way, I don't see any reason why X360 won't be able to drop in reaction or anticipation of Sony's moves. Certainly, MS is in a FAR better position to fuck with Sony in this way. I expect the first PS3 price drop to happen no earlier than Fall '07. I fully expect that MS will drop X360 quite a bit before that...but not until after this year's holiday season. With Halo 3, GTA4, and others in '07, I think MS will be perfectly fine...almost relatively bulletproof, really... Sony put themselves into a bad position with the pricing, and I can see no way to reason otherwise.
 
gollumsluvslave said:
That's all fine and well, but 'major price cuts' would really have to be orchestrated well to avoid pissing off consumers. Consumers are used to $50 here, $50 dollars , but suppose people got wind that PS3 was gonna have a $100 price cut, or even $150? That is going to affect people purchasing at the higher price. And if word doesn't get out, and a $100 price cut is sprung on people, then there will be many hacked off punters. Just look to MS in Europe with the original Xbox release where they gave 2 free games away as an apology to early adopters who paid full price :lol
That was MS, I doubt Sony would particularly care.

We can speculate all day about the pricing of each console and how much it costs the respective first parties, but without actually knowing we're unable to make any real tangible arguements.

In the case of the X360 we don't know how much MS is losing per system. I'd think its safe to assume that they are, but how much per system and how quickly they can reduce those manufacturing costs is still unknown.

Those same questions apply to Sony, only expanded upon because we don't know how much blu-ray is costing per system, how far off the new 65nm process is, or if Sony is even taking a loss. It doesn't look as though they sell the PSP at a loss, it having turned profits so quickly despite lackluster sales and tie ratio.

It could sway in either direction, and I don't think major price cuts are totally out of question for the PS3. Sony has doubled the starting price of their two previous consoles, why isn't it likely that they double the standard rate at which they cut prices?

Lord knows this place will have a melt down if MS announces a $50 X360 price cut, only to have Sony announce a $100 cut shortly after.
 
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
I think Microsft really caught Sony off guard in 2005....

...and Sony just made up their 'PS3' with CELL processor they were developing. But the rest was vaporware. 'Lets see, 3 RJ-45 sounds nice, oh oh 2 HDMI that should rock, WiFi OF COURSE, maybe HDD?, controller? someone do an artwork please!...uhm...a little more here...OK finished'

And now they realized that they couldnt make their PS3 dream be true...and cheap. Solution, lets take some things off, lets put 2 sku just like xbox360, online like xbox360 and controller like wii.


Yeah, I might:D be wrong, but it feels that way.

QFT.

Sony is running scared I'm afraid.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
Of course, there are no guarantees in any of this...and especially this gen. However, I think it's a very logical conclusion, assuming some generally constant trends that reoccur every single generation. I don't see Sony making money on the PS3 itself until way later into its lifespan...3 years...maybe a little longer. And, like I said, unless Blu-Ray takes off in a major way, I don't see any reason why X360 won't be able to drop in reaction or anticipation of Sony's moves. Certainly, MS is in a FAR better position to fuck with Sony in this way. I expect the first PS3 price drop to happen no earlier than Fall '07. I fully expect that MS will drop X360 quite a bit before that...but not until after this year's holiday season. With Halo 3, GTA4, and others in '07, I think MS will be perfectly fine...almost relatively bulletproof, really... Sony put themselves into a bad position with the pricing, and I can see no way to reason otherwise.

There's no guetantees that PS3 will sell out the first 6 million units. :lol C'MON!

Not to mention that in Europe this price is perfectly normal for PS launch (in this region btw 360 sells like crap) and that in Japan the only other competitor is Wii, a console which although has better controller functionality compared to DS3 still has this gen's graphics and has been copied. Be realistic.
 
The PS3 SKUs are a bad deal unless your number one priority is movies and not games. Not only are they much more expensive than Xbox 360 Premium, they are also launching a full year after Xbox 360... something people forget... A FULL YEAR AFTER and yet it is still more expensive than the initial price for Xbox 360... Besides that, PS3 SKU #1 cant even be upgraded to SKU #2....
 
Not to mention that in Europe this price is perfectly normal for PS launch
:lol :lol :lol

I think you may want to check that out, i'm not sure about euro terms, but PS2 launched in UK at ÂŁ299.99, the PS3 Gimp Pack will be likely ÂŁ325-350, and the true PS3 will likely be ÂŁ400. This is an unprecedented launch price in the UK - breaks the ÂŁ300 price barrier.

I'm pretty certain that 499-599 Euros is definitely *not* normal for Europe as a whole.
 
fortified_concept said:
There's no guetantees that PS3 will sell out the first 6 million units. :lol C'MON!
I never said anything about Sony not selling out their first holiday season. They will. At that price point, they probably won't hit 6 million until late summer '07, though, IMO. The price is just that high.
 
gollumsluvslave said:
:lol :lol :lol

I think you may want to check that out, i'm not sure about euro terms, but PS2 launched in UK at ÂŁ299.99, the PS3 Gimp Pack will be likely ÂŁ325-350, and the true PS3 will likely be ÂŁ400. This is an unprecedented launch price in the UK - breaks the ÂŁ300 price barrier.


The ÂŁ300 launch price Xbox (first one) bombed at through out Europe no less.

If the full PS3 is ÂŁ400 Sony will be getting a lot of bad press (it'll still sell out 'coz we'll only get 20 or so, but reaction wont be good).

If they go ÂŁ300 core, ÂŁ350-370 premium, they'll probably be ok. unless 360 drops price and Wii comes in cheap.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
I never said anything about Sony not selling out their first holiday season. They will. At that price point, they probably won't hit 6 million until late summer '07, though, IMO. The price is just that high.
Sony claims they'll have 6M shipped by the end of March '07. Depending on the quality of their distribution plan I think its entirely likely they still have rabid demand after those first 6M are gone, leading up to next E3.
 
If they go ÂŁ300 core, ÂŁ350-370 premium, they'll probably be ok. unless 360 drops price and Wii comes in cheap.

That is their best strategy IMHO

299.99 for Gimp, 379.99 for PS3

that will still be a hard sell.

In direct terms though:-
499 Euros = ÂŁ340
599 Euros = ÂŁ410

Ouch!
 
gollumsluvslave said:
:lol :lol :lol

I think you may want to check that out, i'm not sure about euro terms, but PS2 launched in UK at ÂŁ299.99, the PS3 Gimp Pack will be likely ÂŁ325-350, and the true PS3 will likely be ÂŁ400. This is an unprecedented launch price in the UK - breaks the ÂŁ300 price barrier.

I'm pretty certain that 499-599 Euros is definitely *not* normal for Europe as a whole.

500 euros is pretty normal (440-490 was PS2 iirc) for a PS launch price. And since PS3 core offers more than 360 premium I don't think everyone will want to buy the premium like they did with 360. Simple logic. If you got money for PS3 premium you'll buy it otherwise you buy the core.

At that price point, they probably won't hit 6 million until late summer '07, though, IMO. The price is just that high.

no
 
Drek said:
Sony claims they'll have 6M shipped by the end of March '07. Depending on the quality of their distribution plan I think its entirely likely they still have rabid demand after those first 6M are gone, leading up to next E3.
Demand, sure. Rabid? After spring? I just don't know. Lots of people want something but end up settling for the next best thing a lot of the time. It's just the way it is. I cannot see MS and Ninty not capitalizing on such a clusterfuck of a price for a games console. If Sony wants to see this through, they had better be ready to make some very hard decisions once their competition starts to work on them...and that I can't see happening easily in the first year. Not at all. Sony have so many pressures brought to bear on them with this console because of the way they've tied it into everything else they're doing all at once...and that's a lot of friction internally.
 
I don't think everyone will want to buy the premium like they did with 360.

Anyone that bought an HDTV with HDMI for future stuff will want the premium!

My 360 occupies my component input, so i'm looking at Gimp pack + Component switch box, or the premium Sku to utilise the free fucking HDMI slot I have on the HDTV I purchased, where the fact that PS3 was going to have HDMI was one of the main reasons I bought an HDMI capable HDTV in the first place!
 
Zaptruder said:
Thanks to Sony, I won't need to buy a HDDVD player, so I guess I'm saving some money for myself, because I do plan on using all its features (sans 1080p support ;o)


ThatÂ’s great for you but you doesnÂ’t = Everybody

Sure if somebody is going to use all those features you could justify the price but why pay for stuff you are not going to use?


But $1000 Australian!!! OMFG!!! :lol that is 50% more then a 360!
 
They should just add HDMI to the cheaper package, get rid of the $600 version, and work on getting the console down to $449. The memory card slots, 60GB HDD, and wifi can always be added on separately. Removing HDMI is dumb as hell. The idea of even having a $600 package out there is insane.
 
Rhindle said:
By fall next year, both platforms will be done selling through to early adopters. Casual Guy will be looking for a new machine for GTA4. He will have a choice between a $200 entry level on one platform, and a $400 entry level on the other.

More games for the $200 machine will be on the shelves. Casual Guy will have more friends with the $200 machine to trade games with.

Casual guy may be swayed by the fact that the $400 machine has the same brand name as his previous machine, or not.

That's a big factor too, there's plenty of people who only buy 1-2 games a year. I'm sure plenty of people know people who basically just buy Madden/FIFA every year.

It would be really interesting to see how the industry reacts to a complete swing on third party multiplatform sales from last generation. Even this gen there were a few (I remember possibly Star Wars Battlefront and Burnout 3 having bigger first months on Xbox than PS2). Do they keep focusing on PS3 because of the brand and goodwill it has garnered? Or change to 360 as lead platform?
 
xabre said:
Euro was a hell of a lot weaker then.
euro was not weaker.. euro did not exist back then; its the extrapolation of the regional currency

ps2 was 20700 belgian ffank : that means 520 EURO!

btw, back then the euro (hypotheticly speaking was around 1.2euro = 1 us$
now its 1.25 us$ for 1 euro
so actually you guys have the cheaper console

but then again the prices for ps3 is tax included and in the rest of the world in US$ its tax excluded
 
xabre said:
Euro was a hell of a lot weaker then.

That doesn't mean anything to europeans since the currency didn't exist back then. And since 360 doesn't sell as good as MS hoped for it's pretty obvious what Europe is gonna buy. Unless you're suggesting that they're gonna buy Wii (info: NOE is the worst company in the world).
 
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