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[Custard Trout]

okay and what exactly would you do with multiple attackers? have you done this before live on the street? have these techniques been proven effective? if these techniques are so effective why dont ANY professional mma fighters and athletes use any of these techniques? does krav maga just take things from other martial arts and sell it as its own thing?

The techniques are really effective, MMA fighters don't use them because they're often illegal, or extremely against MMA rules, Krav hit points:
Eyes, balls, knees, elbows

If you look up Moti Horenstein he did Krav in MMA and got destroyed, I respect both Krav and MMA, you'll find that often, Krav tutors have a background in another martial art and it's encouraged as MMA because MMA IS a good fighters choice, but for a street fight against a knife, a gun or a bottle MMA won't work.

As for multiple attackers, it depends on what they're doing key things we do include using techniques that'll hit others around you, while using your entire body weight simple example:

Choke break, we don't pull down we pull left and right, while pushing out the chest, this puts in extra power from the body not just the arms, the left and right pull pushes so far back that if anyone is behind you, then they'll get an elbow to the face

 

[Lazyslob]

The techniques are really effective, MMA fighters don't use them because they're often illegal, or extremely against MMA rules, Krav hit points:
Eyes, balls, knees, elbows

this is the worst. you really think if you kick someone in the balls or poke their eye they will completely stop fighting and call a time out? and especially against more than more guy? are they going to stand in a line while you poke their eyes? you know how hard it would probably be for you to do something like just against one person?

 

[Paertan]

That's pretty fucking long

I know. Thing is I grew up with a friends who is 195 cm so I never felt tall.

But I am seconds tallest in my kickboxing club and I usually have a southpaw stance. But I am ambidextrous so I can switch pretty easy.
They hate me there! xD
Well they joke of course. The higher level guys like sparring against me since it is great practice.

 

[Custard Trout]

this is the worst. you really think if you kick someone in the balls or poke their eye they will completely stop fighting and call a time out? and especially against more than more guy? are they going to stand in a line while you poke their eyes? you know how hard it would probably be for you to do something like just against one person?

If you kick a guy in the balls he kneels over, if you poke a guy in the eyes he covers his eyes, it's not about stopping there. This gives you time to hit again, run, move, scan defend from more, anything you need to do to get out of the situation.

Krav is a time tested system used in wars and by special forces across the world, it's got a proven record of being the most efficient and deadly system in the world, that's not exaggeration, that's history

 

[Lazyslob]

Krav is a time tested system used in wars and by special forces across the world, it's got a proven record of being the most efficient and deadly system in the world, that's not exaggeration, that's history

this is not true. i dont know who told you this but its not. i understand you like it but if you teach someone something that doesnt work they get confident with it and then actually have a situation and finds out it doesnt work.. well. it's not going to be pretty

 

[Custard Trout]

this is not true. i dont know who told you this but its not. i understand you like it but if you teach someone something that doesnt work they get confident with it and then actually have a situation and finds out it doesnt work.. well. it's not going to be pretty

We could literally sit here all day with a back and forth of "It is" "it isn't" etc. So I'll leave this one and you can retort but I'm not going to argue for 5 pages:
The reason so many military personnel learn it, is because of how useful it is, ranging from SAS to IDF you'll find that they've learned some Krav because it's really the only self defence system that teaches how to disarm any form of weapon, use any form of weapon and is suitable for all sizes.
Systema is pretty good too.

 

[Nikodemos]

Bartitsu.



Like a sir.

 

[Bonobos]

Silat, there's a reason why quite a few of military special forces used this as their martial art of choice.

 

[Photolysis]

i have never been in a street fight but i doubt i would even have to do that. once they realize they cant do anything they probably will stop trying to fight. i mean i would choke someone out if they are really trying to harm me or bite me or something

So you admit you've never been in a street fight, yet think you would have time to choke someone out? Even with a blood choke (~10 seconds to unconsciousness), the chances of you being in a position to do that in the first place are extremely slim.

i dont know why so many people believe krav maga is legit. its not. it never has been.

It's used by militaries around the world, including many special forces. They tend to want stuff that works.

So let's have some facts to back you up, since so far you've just been blowing hot air.

the things about that and krav maga is its just this weird unproven situational things. its effective because you are letting him do it to you. sure your friend may come up to you and put a pressure point on your hand but do you really think it would work in the real world? or if a guy comes up to your back with a gun? i aint fucking with no one with a gun. its so stupid and can probably get someone really hurt.

It's hilarious how you spout this nonsense about doing it in the real world, when you suggest you would choke someone in a real fight.

sure your friend may come up to you and put a pressure point on your hand

In a full on fight, Krav Maga is not going to teach you to put a pressure point on someone's hand. It's going to teach you to gouge out his eyes, or hit him in the throat/groin.

if a guy comes up to your back with a gun?

Teaches you how to deal with that. It teaches you how to deal with multiple attackers (armed and unarmed). Teaches you how to use weapons, including improvised weapons. It combines the best parts of almost all martial arts, so you are not limited to just grappling or striking.

this is the worst. you really think if you kick someone in the balls or poke their eye they will completely stop fighting and call a time out

If you kick someone in the balls when they're on adrenaline, it might not work.

It's also not about completely stopping them from fighting (though you can do that), it's about giving you enough time to get away safely. If you can't, then it teaches you how to finish the job.

You really think a guy that's just been blinded is going to be able to put up a good fight? Or a guy who has just been hit in the throat and can't breathe?

Where the fuck do you get this shit from?

KM emphasises that if you do have to get into a fight where you need to use force and cannot escape, you do as much damage as possible, by deliberately going for the most vulnerable parts of the body. And you say that shit doesn't work?

this is not true. i dont know who told you this but its not. i understand you like it but if you teach someone something that doesnt work they get confident with it and then actually have a situation and finds out it doesnt work.. well. it's not going to be pretty

"I have no knowledge of these things, and no first hand experience of being in a fight, but I'm going to give my ignorant opinion and ignore reality."

Come back with some facts. It makes your arguments far better.

You know what, just go and read the fucking page on wikipedia that you were too lazy to look at. At least it might reduce the flow of shit from your mouth.

 

[captainraincoat]

okay and what exactly would you do with multiple attackers? have you done this before live on the street? have these techniques been proven effective? if these techniques are so effective why dont ANY professional mma fighters and athletes use any of these techniques? does krav maga just take things from other martial arts and sell it as its own thing?

Let me break this down for you

okay and what exactly would you do with multiple attackers?
You would never wish to be in a position of multiple attackers but one of the main aspects of Krav is know your surroundings and in the case of multiple attackers you will probably still get hit.....no martial art will teach you how to dodge multiple knives or punches but what it will teach you is to use your positioning and noise and straight out brutality to get to a better position.

Being able to position your attacker in a way that impedes the others is taught
and if that does not work snapping someones arm and using the knife they just tried to attack you with to slash their tendons and take them out of action is a sure fire way to make someone think twice about attacking you..the whole time that you are doing this you are loud and you are bursting

have you done this before live on the street? have these techniques been proven effective?
Yes.....i managed to defend myself against 3 people who decided they didn't like me talking to someone..one of them had a knife..the other used a vehicle lock and the third was just fat and tried to bearhug me........the end result was 2 heroes with fractured ankles and the third i drove his wrist into the ground so hard his forearm bone came out the top of his hand.....i had a bruised back from where i got hit with the vehicle lock before i got hold of it and a slight cut to my armpit from where i was holding the guy with the knife..overall i was happy to of survived it and i was glad someone saw the noise i was making and filmed it as i was able to prove to the police it was not excessive force

why dont ANY professional mma fighters and athletes use any of these techniques?
does krav maga just take things from other martial arts and sell it as its own thing?
krav is not a competition martial art...it is designed to take someone out in the shortest time possible through whatever means you have....if the competition is to maim or kill someone then krav maga will win hands down...you dont see multiple kicks to the nuts or pushing someones eyes into the back of their skull in UFC ..its illegal but what happens in real life????

Krav does borrow from other martial arts but i could say the same about any martial art ...the main thing you should look for is if its effective and its practical for the situation...id much rather learn 10 of the best copied techniques then 50 of the same art

As i mentioned before...once someone throws a punch at you or pulls a knife your body gets an adrenalin hit....i have trained for years in Karate and Bjj and i still get a buzz once hit when im not expecting ...to some people it feels like fear and they get the shakes...with that say goodbye to any sort of fine movement and in a street fight people are not going to wait for you to be in a right position they will come at you
and at the same time....with street fighting in mind Krav maga wins hands down

I am not trying to say Krav Maga is the best martial art...(its technically not a martial art but a training program that is used by the Israeli military) but you still train multiple times a week and you still have gradings and belts

and im still learning stuff each week 3 years on

Last week i was handcuffed and had a plastic bag put around my head...this exercise is more a mental test than a physical but being put out of your comfort zone is one of the main aspects of Krav and i love it

I still also Train in BJJ and Kickboxing

Edit
Just to clarify ...i dont go out looking for trouble and i still get scared by people coming at me on the street...no martial art will teach you to overcome this

 

[Lazyslob]

So you admit you've never been in a street fight, yet think you would have time to choke someone out? Even with a blood choke (~10 seconds to unconsciousness), the chances of you being in a position to do that in the first place are extremely slim.

do you actually believe this?

you are all saying "WELL THIS MILITARY USES IT" like it means anything. what it tells me is they really need to update their hand to hand combat. you know, there are these kung fu masters who will shoot a chi blast at their opponents. the crazy thing is they actually BELIEVE it works. who am i to doubt them? who am i to doubt krav maga?

 

[Lazyslob]

whoops double post

 

[leadbelly]

Add another one for boxing. It's funny, in terms martial arts, a lot of people have suggested things like kickboxing, and so on, things that have boxing as a major part of the sport.

Maybe Kung Fu if you're 5 years old and live a large part of your life in a Buddhist monastery. Mainly because they would drill it into you so much it would become second nature, and may actually be of use.

 

[thenexus6]

Wing Chun.

 

[Photolysis]

do you actually believe this?

And how are you going to choke me? If you do it from the front or the side, it's easy enough to break, and gives me a clear shot at you. The front in particular makes it very easy to launch a kick or a knee straight to your groin. No matter how strong you are, your grip strength will not be enough to overcome the muscles and technique used to break the choke.

The only way you could choke me is if you manage to get behind me and put me in a chokehold. I'm not going to let that happen, and if it does, the fight is already over.

So good luck trying that in the real world. On the plus side, you might not end up dead.

you are all saying "WELL THIS MILITARY USES IT" like it means anything. what it tells me is they really need to update their hand to hand combat.

Given that you've already demonstrated ignorance of the subject matter, one would caution you to be quiet, learn something, and stop making yourself look more foolish.

If your argument is so compelling, why can't you produce any concrete evidence that it's wrong?

you know, there are these kung fu masters who will shoot a chi blast at their opponents. the crazy thing is they actually BELIEVE it works.

If your fighting skills are as good as your debating skills, I hope you never see a fight, because it won't end up being very pretty for you.

 

[Seeds]

If you want a martial art to defend yourself the best thing you can do is mix a ground art, preferably one which trains you how to defend takedowns and how to get up from the ground, and a striking art. An mma gym should do that for you, if not, wrestling + boxing/muay thai is enough to defend yourself in most situations.

 

[Lazyslob]

And how are you going to choke me? If you do it from the front or the side, it's easy enough to break, and gives me a clear shot at you. The front in particular makes it very easy to launch a kick or a knee straight to your groin. No matter how strong you are, your grip strength will not be enough to overcome the muscles and technique used to break the choke.

The only way you could choke me is if you manage to get behind me and put me in a chokehold. I'm not going to let that happen, and if it does, the fight is already over.

So good luck trying that in the real world. On the plus side, you might not end up dead.

i... honestly dont know what to say to this.

If your fighting skills are as good as your debating skills, I hope you never see a fight, because it won't end up being very pretty for you.

well i hope i never get in a street fight either

 

[Rayven_king]

boxing+Judo

boxing is great for the footwork and will help you get over the fear of being hit. I've dealt with alot of muggers and tough guys over the years and I always refer to judo's standing throws I would'nt dare to try anything more complicated

 

[yogloo]

I changed my mind. I think OP should learn kendo instead. He would look cool carrying a sword around.

 

[Brerlappin]

boxing+Judo

boxing is great for the footwork and will help you get over the fear of being hit. I've dealt with alot of muggers and tough guys over the years and I always refer to judo's standing throws I would'nt dare to try anything more complicated

This is the correct answer. Ive done some boxing training over the last coupel of years, and know how to punch and how to defend a punch. The other day I saw 4 guys in a brawl out on the street and not one of them knew how to punch. They were all flailing arms and wild punches. I just thought "Shit, if I ever got attacked like that all id have to do is keep my hands up and throw a hard jab right down the middle and it'd land them on their ass".
Get someone with a good Judo hip toss too and then either run or sit on them and call the cops.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

And how are you going to choke me? If you do it from the front or the side, it's easy enough to break, and gives me a clear shot at you. The front in particular makes it very easy to launch a kick or a knee straight to your groin. No matter how strong you are, your grip strength will not be enough to overcome the muscles and technique used to break the choke.

I've gotten caught in guillotines from standing many times! They can be taken in a lot of different ways but the most common is simply close and move the distance, provoke opponent, make feints, and then simply pull opponents head down into your armpit. it can be a bloodchoke, crank, pressure on the windpipe.. I find it to be effective and not easily defended.

I mostly get caught in guillotines while trying to do double legs like this:

@ My own philosophy is that I find many of these arts to be awesome. Sambo guys from Russia who has come to train with us have incredible footlocks. Wrestlers with a solid Greco-Roman/Freestyle wrestling background are stronger and more physical enduring than any athelete I have ever seen. Judo guys have the most incredible grip strength and balance and their throws are brutal. I'm 220 pounds, 6'5 and I'm telling you - Small guys can make me fly unless I am crouched forward anticipating something. And even then, a dedicated Judo guys get me a lot with other throws!


MMA is so diverse though, and I imagine that Krav Maga is the same. Since they both train attack and defense from both striking, grappling, takedowns, escapes, reversals, sweeps the problem is that you might end up becoming a jack-of-all-trades, master of none. And in those cases a dedicated striker (Boxer, Muay Thai, kickboxer) or dedicated grappler(BJJ, Judo, Wrestler, Sambo) might get the better of you.
But what MMA does bring to the table is those incredible transitional moves. Closing the distance is one of the big things that anyone can really benefit from BJJ.



Please, cross train. There is so many different factors that goes into these things!

 

[Soodanim]

Well this certainly is an interesting thread. Page one had people recommending Tae Kwon Do, and page two is people saying Krav Maga is useless.

From what I've always understood it to be, Krav Maga is different to martial arts because it's a self defence method that accepts that real life scenarios have no rules and gets you the win in the quickest time possible. If you kick someone in the bollocks then knee them in the face while they're bent over you're not going to get many points for style, but you're certainly going to floor the cunt that tried to fuck with you.

In my head there's always been a couple styles from which you can take away some techniques that will be useful in real life. The first is of course boxing. This is an important one simply because if you spend a lot of your time in trousers or jeans, you're simply not going to have the movement needed to get your leg up. So you need to rely on your upper body to get things done. Good for striking, but it still bound by rules. That's why you can't rabbit punch people in boxing.

Spoiler

I don't recommend rabbit punching anyone

Muay Thai always comes to mind for those dirty elbows. If you catch someone with an elbow, you're going to do some damage. The knees could also come in useful in a scenario like the previously mentioned kick to the nuts > free shot to the head. Plus, it does a lot of striking itself. And if you did manage to get started on while you're out running in your shorts, you're at even more of an advantage.

Outside of that, again, Krav Maga, which is no rules self defence.

Unless it's one on one in a field, I'm not sure how much I'd like to rely on any sort of grapple that isn't a choke hold. That seems to be the most effective method is disabling your opponent.

Things I wouldn't want to learn for self defence:
Wing Chun. It's probably useful after a great deal of time invested, but it's more defensive than offensive from what a friend of mine tells me.

Tae Kwon Do. Or anything that focuses on kicking. It's far too limiting a factor to be useful most of the time. Like I said before your own clothing is a factor, and so is your environment. It's a sport.

Aikido. Fuck that shit as your weapon of choice. It's way down the list. Judo is better, but of the Japanese arts Karate seems to be the best choice for self defence. Simple strikes.

If you ever find yourself in a position where you have a newspaper, remember the Millwall Brick. Roll up a newspaperthen fold it in half. Feel how dense that is. It's rare that it would be useful, but at the very least it's an interesting idea.

 

[neorej]

- Krav Maga. It's designed around the principle that your opponent will not obey any rules
- Pencak Silat. Developed in the jungles of Indonesia, it teaches you how to fight armed and unarmed against opponents who are either armed or unarmed. It's main focus is reflexes; evade and counter, which is extremely helpful in street fights, especially when you're attacked by surprise.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

From what I've always understood it to be, Krav Maga is different to martial arts because it's a self defence method that accepts that real life scenarios have no rules and gets you the win in the quickest time possible. If you kick someone in the bollocks then knee them in the face while they're bent over you're not going to get many points for style, but you're certainly going to floor the cunt that tried to fuck with you.

I've heard people say this about Wing Chun a bunch of times. "it's so deadly it cannot be used in MMA!!".


I don't think anyone is barred from eye poking, groin kicking, biting, scratching, and what not regardless of style. In pure rage those things are open to all styles and doesn't require years and years worth of repetition.


But you know what does? boxing. It's no wonder that boxing in boxing is a whole other level from boxing in MMA. Boxing fans love to make fun at how shitty and watered down the boxing is in the UFC. At the same dedicated grapplers and takedowns specialists make fun of their abilities in those areas.

That is not discrediting MMA or Krav Maga, but to learn to box right, or defend a doubleleg. It takes a hell of a long time to get good at. And if Krav Maga also has a heavily focus on weapons disarming, then I wonder if it also suffers from the problems beginner MMA guys have - becoming sorta-proficent/okay/good at everything but not really good at anything.



Then in the end I would rather be a specialist. If I was a boxer I would outbox you and never get close. If I was a Judo or Wrestler guy I would simply throw you with superior takedowns and end it there. If I was a BJJ/Sambo guy I would try to get close, get a submission from standing and then you down and do a submission.


Some people say Krav Maga is really effective, and that might be true, but I just don't see how you are going to become this machine that is mastering all the arts when so many people fall off MMA because it's simply too much to take in. I feel people are over estimating their technique versus others who are 100% dedicated to one thing.

 

[Lazyslob]

i live in a world where kicking someone in the balls makes them lean forward like in the movies and then they get kneed in the face. i live in a world where that is a legitimate combination. i feel like im taking crazy pills

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

Yo you should learn Capoeira brother. Really energetic and you'll learn how to kick the hell out of someone.

 

[Jaeger]

Muay Thai, and traditional Boxing.

 

[captainraincoat]

i live in a world where kicking someone in the balls makes them lean forward like in the movies and then they get kneed in the face. i live in a world where that is a legitimate combination. i feel like im taking crazy pills

It can be in some cases..from my experience but never make kicking the nuts the first move

one of the first things they teach in Krav is the clock defence..the clock defence is basically where the attack comes from and each part of the clock is a form

The form is usually a blocking strike and palm heel to the face simultaneously
from there its a fair chance you have spread this guys nose allover his face you can move through a number of different attacks such as wrap and break limbs /takedowns and even chokeholds but the usual combo is wrap the limb kick the nuts 3 times knee the head 3 times and then hammerfist the rear of the neck until the opponent is out

some people will not even last past the first attack or others will go into shock once you break a bone but many of these are done in a matter of seconds and use simple precise strikes

then you get into the weapons and a whole other level of pain and chipped teeth from gun butts hitting your face awaits

 

[Boston]

So you admit you've never been in a street fight, yet think you would have time to choke someone out? Even with a blood choke (~10 seconds to unconsciousness), the chances of you being in a position to do that in the first place are extremely slim.



It's used by militaries around the world, including many special forces. They tend to want stuff that works.

So let's have some facts to back you up, since so far you've just been blowing hot air.



It's hilarious how you spout this nonsense about doing it in the real world, when you suggest you would choke someone in a real fight.

Chokes happen all the time in fights, not sure why you think they don't?

Also OP all you need to learn is Muay Thai wrestling and bjj. Get halfway decent at those 3 and you'll pretty much be able to beat any street punk that tries to come at you.

 

[Unbounded]

If they definitely work, why aren't they in MMA or other NHB contests? Why hasn't an Aikidoka appeared that can catch punches and flip someone onto their head, or put them into a standing armbar to make them tap out?

This is why I said practicality. Nobody wants to spend 8 years perfecting their wrist locks when you can learn servicable MMA in just two.

At any rate, it sounds like you're going to remain unconvinced. I suggest you look into an Aikido dojo in your area and check to see if they'll let you take a couple of classes to see what it's all about.

 

[Photolysis]

I've gotten caught in guillotines from standing many times! They can be taken in a lot of different ways but the most common is simply close and move the distance, provoke opponent, make feints, and then simply pull opponents head down into your armpit. it can be a bloodchoke, crank, pressure on the windpipe.. I find it to be effective and not easily defended.

Chokes happen all the time in fights, not sure why you think they don't?

Chokes may happen, but they're not effective for the most part, and there are many ways to deal with them, unless they're done from behind. If I have that level of control over the opponent, or there's such a ridiculous strength disparity that I can be overpowered from the front, chokes aren't needed. Being choked from the front or side leaves them wide open for a counterattack.

The real world is also not an MMA arena with rules on what you can and can't do. I can't reach down and rip the guy's balls off in an MMA fight, or reach up and gouge his eyes out. In the first gif posted, it would be insane to try that in a real fight.

 

[Herbspiceguy]

I would recommend only learning martial arts for fun, self confidence and health. Being in good condition and emitting a strong aura of self confidence lowers the chance fo being seen as a target.

That said though I think boxing is the most practical in hand to hand combat situations on the street. Positioning, dodging and throwing good punches is all you need.
I'm a fan of low kicks too, but I think the distance used in boxing is more practical.

 

[Herbspiceguy]

double post

 

[zsswimmer]

Probably boxing and maybe some ground knowledge, but then again most people have no clue what to do on the ground. As for Wing Chun, the only stuff that I've seen that looks impressive is the slowed down choreographed moves, never actually seen a street fight video where any of that would apply. A trained boxer would beat the brakes off almost anyone in a street fight though. And if you have someone in a tight choke hold you arent gonna be able to do much damage to weak targets like the groin, being squeezed by not only a strong person but a trained person feels like your neck is about to be ripped off. Punching someone in the balls is the last thing on your mind and all you would be doing would ensure that you piss off the person choking you out.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

Chokes may happen, but they're not effective for the most part, and there are many ways to deal with them, unless they're done from behind. If I have that level of control over the opponent, or there's such a ridiculous strength disparity that I can be overpowered from the front, chokes aren't needed. Being choked from the front or side leaves them wide open for a counterattack.

The real world is also not an MMA arena with rules on what you can and can't do. I can't reach down and rip the guy's balls off in an MMA fight, or reach up and gouge his eyes out. In the first gif posted, it would be insane to try that in a real fight.

I don't believe you are correct in either thinking that chokeholds are not effective from other places than the back, nor do I think it's likely that you're just going to rip up someones balls off or gouge out their eyes. In movies like The Raid? Sure, but in a real life altercation, I find that hard to believe.

 

[zeemumu]

Krav Maga

Came here to post this.

 

[Violet_0]

Knife

I was going to suggest learning how to defend yourself with a knife, but I imagine stabbing someone would get you get you into a lot of trouble

 

[Zukuu]

I was going to suggest learning how to defend yourself with a knife, but I imagine stabbing someone would get you get you a lot of trouble

The best non-lethal defense weapon is "pepper foam". That ends fights right away and helps you to get away safely. Can also be used against groups of people. Much superior to a knife while being non-lethal.

 

[Measley]

And how are you going to choke me? If you do it from the front or the side, it's easy enough to break, and gives me a clear shot at you. The front in particular makes it very easy to launch a kick or a knee straight to your groin. No matter how strong you are, your grip strength will not be enough to overcome the muscles and technique used to break the choke.

LoL!

Please explain how MMA fighters who have all of those weapons at their disposal get choked out all the time.

This guy gets triangle choked while on top of another guy;

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d5b_1327728539

And that's on the street.

The only way you could choke me is if you manage to get behind me and put me in a chokehold. I'm not going to let that happen, and if it does, the fight is already over.

Which just shows you know nothing about chokes. There's so many possible chokes from guard position alone that its not even funny. Guillotine from guard is almost impossible to get out of, and you'll be out in a matter of seconds. What's worse, the more you fight it, the faster you're going to dreamland.

If a trained grappler can't get you in a choke, they can easily transition into various nasty holds and breaks ESPECIALLY if you don't know how to stop it. If you're not trained how to stop it, you don't know how to stop it.
.

The real world is also not an MMA arena with rules on what you can and can't do. I can't reach down and rip the guy's balls off in an MMA fight, or reach up and gouge his eyes out. In the first gif posted, it would be insane to try that in a real fight.

Draculino shows why that entire argument is BS;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxZKZsqWdFw

 

[neorej]

I don't believe you are correct in either thinking that chokeholds are not effective from other places than the back, nor do I think it's likely that you're just going to rip up someones balls off or gouge out their eyes. In movies like The Raid? Sure, but in a real life altercation, I find that hard to believe.

IMHO punching someone in the throat is the easiest and fastest way to put him to his knees.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

IMHO punching someone in the throat is the easiest and fastest way to put him to his knees.

I agree that solid punching can be devastating, but hitting a moving target specifically is easier said than done. Especially if they have even a limited understand of putting their hands up, bob and weave and just moving around with decent footwork!


I hear muay thai guys go all the time "ill just punch him in the knee and its over". but again, hitting a moving target so specifically is damn hard. even for a trained muay thai guy.

 

[PastorOfMuppets]

IMHO punching someone in the throat is the easiest and fastest way to put him to his knees.

Man, I wish people would stop spouting these things.

Eye gouges work, fish hooking works, hair pulling is somewhat effective, grabbing someone by the balls and squeezing for dear life will stop someone in their tracks.

But what are the chances you actually pull off these techniques against a guy who's going to come at you full speed. Here's a trained boxer - obviously not a pro but good enough who just dodges people's punches with head movement and good footwork. How are you going to punch him in the neck or gouge out his eyeballs? Martial arts that teach those types of techniques are bullshit arts.

People think that MMA fighters because they train for competition would have no idea how to deal with a guy going for the eyes because eye gouging is not allowed in MMA. The mere fact that an MMA fighter knows how to deal with punches easily crosses over with knowing how to deal with eye gouges.

 

[Seeds]

It's always funny hearing X and Y doesn't prepare you for the real world. A boxer isn't going to follow boxing rules if he gets into a street fight. And whatever you can throw at him, he can throw back, a lot faster, with a lot more power and much better technique.

 

[MrToughPants]

Real fights end very quickly and most people cant take hits or punch properly. I'd suggest boxing and maybe work on explosive movements and getting stronger. People let their aggression or fear take over, remaining calm is a big advantage as you will think clearly and you just react better I find.

 

[Measley]

This is why I said practicality. Nobody wants to spend 8 years perfecting their wrist locks when you can learn servicable MMA in just two.

I know people who have spent decades in Aikido and still can't get wristlocks off.

In 8 years, you can be an upper purple/brown belt in Bjj and actually defend yourself. Why would you waste your time with Aikido?

At any rate, it sounds like you're going to remain unconvinced. I suggest you look into an Aikido dojo in your area and check to see if they'll let you take a couple of classes to see what it's all about.

Already have bro. Aikido schools just don't have the mindset geared for self defense. The people in there might as well be at a yoga seminar or something. The techniques may have some value, but if you're performing randori with a bunch of hippies who aren't looking to fight with what they're learning, you're not going to get the wiring necessary to defend yourself if something pops off.

Meanwhile in Bjj, you're constantly going against others who are trying to choke or submit you. Some of which are a lot bigger than you are. Suffice to say, if you can throw, pin, choke, or submit a fully resisting opponent 30-50 lbs heavier than you, you can probably do it against someone on the street who has no idea what they're doing.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Krav Maga

yup. You want to drop the fancy shit and learn to fight to survive and fight to inflict pain. This is the one.

 

[Leunam]

Would you consider MMA or Boxing fancy? I'd consider them practical and effective above all else. Fancy kind makes them sound cheap, as if they aren't worth much.

 

[Banderdash]

- Pencak Silat. Developed in the jungles of Indonesia, it teaches you how to fight armed and unarmed against opponents who are either armed or unarmed. It's main focus is reflexes; evade and counter, which is extremely helpful in street fights, especially when you're attacked by surprise.

I dated a girl who had been doing Silat for years.
She made it look super graceful, and she happily threw people around with it... she said that she'd had to use it twice in the 'real world', both times against bigger guys. She seemed to think it was effective.

I don't know what the British Gurkhas learn, but I've seen one of them take apart a pair of Guardsmen outside a bar one night in Edinburgh. Both guys were about a foot and a half taller than the Gurkha.

I'm 6'3 and because I have good reach, I studied TKD.
I've been in four street fights, and 2 bar/barracks brawls, since I'd started learning. Admittedly some of these have been against professional infantrymen... so most people you run into won't be that fit / trained / calm / drunk.
I had an instructor that was big on balance and keeping your footing, which is hugely important. TKD is pretty damn effective if you can control the flow and the range of the fight. Our gradings generally incorporated multiple opponent fights so it has that too.
The problems with TKD are that you need some room to operate, and when an attacker is inside your reach... that bastard is all the way inside.

I need to learn something with close in grappling and throws, something to deal with that kind of that close in threat... now I'm looking at Krav.

Everyone who has said learning how to run is absolutely correct... that should be your first option every single time. You should also learn how to view an environment, exit routes or breakable furniture, solid walls that will prevent someone coming up behind you or will trap you against them.
Also, if you have some kind of training you need to know how hard you can hit without doing serious damage... the cops will come down hard on you.
If you're being attacked, then they already have the upper hand... either in location, or in numbers, or in weaponry... they wouldn't be attacking you if they didn't think they could win.
Sometimes, most times, it's best to just give them what they want and let them be...

 

[GungHo]

Before the Marines I did boxing and karate. In the Marines I learned LINE and trained other Marines in the transition from LINE to MCMAP before re-deploying to infantry (because I was a moron, but that's a whole different conversation). After the Marines, I did BJJ.

With all my training... my plan if there is no escape: find the nearest thing I can, beat them in the head, and get the hell out of there. I have no idea why anyone would want to fiddle fuck around with people who are trying to kill them.

Caveman-Fu has a ancient history, going back 40,000 years. One of Caveman-Fu's signature weapons is the hand-axe or bi-face.

To use the hand-axe, you grip it thusly.

You then take the hand-axe and thrust it into the forehead of your opponent until he decides that whatever reason he had to be your opponent is no longer his priority in life.

Other traditional Caveman-Fu weapons include the club, the glass bottle, the car door, the trash can, the tabletop, the bar stool, the rush hour traffic, the Bakelite lunch tray, the girlfriend's high heeled shoes, the ladder, and many other items that you may find in the immediate area of your altercation. In some parlance, we consider these things to be "force multipliers". Should I find myself without the force multipliers, then I may consider relying on my training. Until then, OGG BASH. OGG RUN.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

unless you are fighting naked people , Judo or jiu jitsu , muy thai or karate work too. If you are serious be careful, i seen a dude get his hip shattered from a kick , plenty of people knocked out or crumpled up from punches. Boxing as well since most cant take more than one good punch...but again careful if you know how to punch it does more damage to a human than you think.