Vigilant Walrus
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Your story about your GF reminded me of this.
Japanese girl who must have proficient in Judo:
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Recommend me a martial art for self defense?
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Your story about your GF reminded me of this.
Japanese girl who must have proficient in Judo:
Many fights end up on the ground and if you know what you're doing you can easily put yourself in position to rare naked choke the person. Try to gouge my eyes or rip my balls instead of defending the choke and you'll be waking up in the hospital. Also again they happen all the time in real fights and if you know what you're doing there's almost no escape.
There's a video of Bas Rutten talking about someone interrupting his class when he was showin people how to choke and the person says ill gouge your eyes ect and explains it perfectly, I'll try to find it. Also if you've ever rare naked choked or guillotined someone you would know that anything besides trying to defend the choke would be pointless.
Yeah, it's hard enough to land a decent punch let alone a good eye poke against someone who knows what they are doing and if they don't you can have your way with them if you do.
_illmatic_
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I'll honestly have to recommend boxing or MMA. The main reason being that they are more of a combat sport that teaches you to be IN a fight on a regular just for the sport. You won't lose your mind under pressure, learn to take hits roll punches and actually know what its like to get hit or beat up. That translates well to being in a fight with some thug who never trained in his life. Can't speak too much on the wing chuns and kung fu.
GungHo
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The primary trick to defending the RNC or guillotine is not letting the guy get you in the choke in the first place. Otherwise, I agree, once you're in, you're in, and you better get out ASAP or you're at the guy's mercy. We've had to convince a lot of people the hard way on that concept. If the person knows what they're doing, they've already taken your hands/feet/teeth/panic button out of play, anyway, and you can't get your hands where they'd need to go.
PastorOfMuppets
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I'd love to see someone actually try to reach down GSP's pants and try to grab his nuts in a full on fight. The notion that you can pull this off while going full speed vs someone is insane. You really think that a guy who trains MMA is going to just stand there like an idiot while somebody reaches for their nuts?
Bas Rutten makes a great point on the JRE. He constantly gets people in his gym that in the middle of a choke or some other technique talk about how their approach is better. How in a real fight they would poke his eyes or bust his balls to get out of the choke.
His answer? He said ok, I'll put you in a choke. You can do anything you want to get out, but if you come near my eyes or balls, I will stop choking you and break your neck. If you are going to break the rules of a regulated fight, the other guy will also break all the fucking rules.
Edit: I had not seen your post, but the same thing came to mind.
His answer? He said ok, I'll put you in a choke. You can do anything you want to get out, but if you come near my eyes or balls, I will stop choking you and break your neck. If you are going to break the rules of a regulated fight, the other guy will also break all the fucking rules.
Edit: I had not seen your post, but the same thing came to mind.
Vigilant Walrus
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ohh god! Mate thank you so much for mentioning Bas Rutten. He made this classical satirical Self Defense video a loooonnng time ago. It's funny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mosX7L25HV8
Neffarias_Bredd
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I was going to mention this as well. If I have someone in a choke and they're trying to poke my eyes out, all I'm gonna do is get angrier.
I've seen people stuck in a good choke pass out in seconds
Joe Rogan and Bas Rutten talking about some of the people in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd_oBd5DENk
Go to 6:40 for the best part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd_oBd5DENk
Go to 6:40 for the best part
I dont profess to know anything about any martial art, but isnt what you (and quite a few others) unapplicable to to "real world"?
I am certain that if you were to try and grab a proffessional MMA fighters balls when they are trying to choke you would result in a whole world of pain and regret, however, the topic from what i understand is about self defence from people ont he street?
The average drunk nobhead that is likely to start a fight isnt likely to be a pro MMA fighter, and have any knowledge on how to fight apart from wildly flailing their arms and trying to grab at you. In these situations surely a style such as krav maga where the aim is to inflict a massive amount of damage in the shortest amount of time is best, with the aim to just get the hell out of there as soon as possible.
I have no doubt that any of the martial arts could be amazing to learn and effective in defending yourself, however, i am not sure that half of them would be usable in a packed night club, or full kebab shop or standing in a queue.
Again, i know nothing about martial arts but that is how it seems to me.
"and lookylook what we have here"
Bas is hilarious
found another great video when weapons are involved:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Ar2xkf5kQ
Vigilant Walrus
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Our instructor makes us aware that a really powerful wrestler can pick you up before with a tight triangle and do a horrible slam. Like this:
Another Rampage Slam:
That wrestling build! wow!
Wyndstryker
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Krav Maga
Kali
Both of these have body counts in WWII. However they are not to be taken lightly either, these two arts are literally "warrior mentality" at it's core. Everything is a weapon, you're a weapon, and it's how to dismantle your opponent swiftly and effectively. I can't even call they self defense arts, it's self preservation.
Personally I'd take the philosophy of Kali and mix it with the sheer effective brutality of Krav Maga. Mainly cause one provides full tool utilization of anything and everything, the other also provides some firearms knowhow. Both teach how to handle multiple opponents in any scenario and both aren't flashy, they take out your aggressors quickly regardless if they are armed or not.
Kali
Both of these have body counts in WWII. However they are not to be taken lightly either, these two arts are literally "warrior mentality" at it's core. Everything is a weapon, you're a weapon, and it's how to dismantle your opponent swiftly and effectively. I can't even call they self defense arts, it's self preservation.
Personally I'd take the philosophy of Kali and mix it with the sheer effective brutality of Krav Maga. Mainly cause one provides full tool utilization of anything and everything, the other also provides some firearms knowhow. Both teach how to handle multiple opponents in any scenario and both aren't flashy, they take out your aggressors quickly regardless if they are armed or not.
DonasaurusRex
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Krav Maga is a military fighting style no? thought it cut out the fluff , it dont work?
My question is this;
How do you know you could guage out someone's eyes, rip off their balls, or break someone's neck if you never did any of those things? That's my issue with Krav and similar styles.
I can do chokes, submissions, and pins at full blast in my gym, and I can practice it over and over again until I perfect those skills.
I think all the Krav Maga suggestions are coming from people having watched a few youtube videos and being impressed. It isn't what you are looking for, functional Krav Maga for self defense would come after quite a long time.
It's also, in IMO, just a bit too much, the fighting skills I learned in the military and working for pmc's don't translate well to everyday life, they go too far as when you need that skill set your life is likely on the line. Breaking a wrist, elbow, dislocating a shoulder, smashing a nose and then stamping on someone's nose or face is far too far. You never want to be the person that does this to another human.
My recommendations for self defense go in this order.
1) Fitness and avoidance. Firstly, sprints and endurance, be able to run as far and as fast as you possibly can. This is the best self defense on the planet. Trust me, you do not want to be fighting people, ever. Secondly avoidance, just don't go places where you think or know you're likely to end up on a fight.
2) jiu jutsu and Muay Thai are both excellent to learn, Muay Thai has use in the push shove face off stage of an altercation when people are shouting and waving their arms like fat peacocks. Only a few months worth of Muay Thai will give you the ability to catch someone on the chin or button and end a fight before it has started, just be careful about popping people first. Jiu jutsu has more value overall as 95% of fights end up on the ground rolling around. And simply even a rudimentary level of jiu jutsu will let you handle and control another human.
I'm also of the opinion that most jiu jutsu places offer a more mature and safer environment to learn to fight. The first dozen times you train and then spa your adrenaline reaction will be quite surprising. Learning to live with that adrenaline I a jiu jutsu environment is ideal IMO.
I'll finish with my first suggestion, fitness, being able to run fast and hard for as long as possible. Shame of running away is a young mans fear you will have to put aside, you aren't in school anymore where you have to face people talking shit about you for the rest of the year, calling you chicken. Fighting is shit, and if you win or lose you will come away feeling terrible.
It's also, in IMO, just a bit too much, the fighting skills I learned in the military and working for pmc's don't translate well to everyday life, they go too far as when you need that skill set your life is likely on the line. Breaking a wrist, elbow, dislocating a shoulder, smashing a nose and then stamping on someone's nose or face is far too far. You never want to be the person that does this to another human.
My recommendations for self defense go in this order.
1) Fitness and avoidance. Firstly, sprints and endurance, be able to run as far and as fast as you possibly can. This is the best self defense on the planet. Trust me, you do not want to be fighting people, ever. Secondly avoidance, just don't go places where you think or know you're likely to end up on a fight.
2) jiu jutsu and Muay Thai are both excellent to learn, Muay Thai has use in the push shove face off stage of an altercation when people are shouting and waving their arms like fat peacocks. Only a few months worth of Muay Thai will give you the ability to catch someone on the chin or button and end a fight before it has started, just be careful about popping people first. Jiu jutsu has more value overall as 95% of fights end up on the ground rolling around. And simply even a rudimentary level of jiu jutsu will let you handle and control another human.
I'm also of the opinion that most jiu jutsu places offer a more mature and safer environment to learn to fight. The first dozen times you train and then spa your adrenaline reaction will be quite surprising. Learning to live with that adrenaline I a jiu jutsu environment is ideal IMO.
I'll finish with my first suggestion, fitness, being able to run fast and hard for as long as possible. Shame of running away is a young mans fear you will have to put aside, you aren't in school anymore where you have to face people talking shit about you for the rest of the year, calling you chicken. Fighting is shit, and if you win or lose you will come away feeling terrible.
Our instructor makes us aware that a really powerful wrestler can pick you up before with a tight triangle and do a horrible slam. Like this:
Another Rampage Slam:
That wrestling build! wow!
I was talking about an arm triangle choke vs a RNC to avoid eye pokes
spectral_method
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The BIGGEST issues Krav Maga places (from personal experience) have is that they don't sparr.
Krav is good, but definitely pair it with ANYTHING (stiking based) that incoporates sparring. The pro of Krav is all the weapon defense and dirty fighting/ body mechanics. But if you don't spar then all the cool shit hey teach you won't work because you froze up after a punch (seen this happen dozens of times).
The alternative if you don't care about weapons is to just practice MMA. Teaches striking, grappling and gets you in good shape.
Krav is good, but definitely pair it with ANYTHING (stiking based) that incoporates sparring. The pro of Krav is all the weapon defense and dirty fighting/ body mechanics. But if you don't spar then all the cool shit hey teach you won't work because you froze up after a punch (seen this happen dozens of times).
The alternative if you don't care about weapons is to just practice MMA. Teaches striking, grappling and gets you in good shape.
Bah, just carry a gun and learn to use it well, and only in the right situations. It will defuse fights with the quickness, I don't care if you're Jon Jones or Cain Velasquez. Too old to be scrapping on the street because someone else is depressed or drunk. Fuck you, go find someone else to take it out on. Combine that with avoiding the wrong places, and just being an all-around good person that doesn't look for trouble, and you should be ok for the rest of your life.
Vigilant Walrus
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I agree with everything you said. I tried Wing Chun and TaeKwonDo growing up, but it was in Jiu-Jitsu I found myself. From day 1 you get thrown into sparring and it's almost a horrible feeling when your getting mounted and your back taken. You feel so helpless. And so it is for the first year or so.
The people I've met at my Jiu-Jitsu class are some of the coolest, most calm and down to earth men and women I have ever known
Vigilant Walrus
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@ MVP - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2REG3-Wb5gM
ahhh right;D
I was talking about an arm triangle choke vs a RNC to avoid eye pokes
ahhh right;D
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Gong
Don't get into fights.
I don't care if you are super saiyan Krav Maga jujitsu master yip man or whatever. Best is to avoid.
Don't get into fights.
I don't care if you are super saiyan Krav Maga jujitsu master yip man or whatever. Best is to avoid.
That incident has little to do with martial arts or fighting. Most people would go after someone who just hit their car regardless of training. Gong didn't know the guy was a sociopath with a gun.
A better example would be if you're out with your gf/wife, and some guy slaps her in the face and then starts pushing you around. What are you going to do? What if you can't just walk away?
20cent
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People suggesting a firearm are serious. LOL, can't wait to see the news next week.
Anything involving sparring and real hits at training would do it I think. Being hit or hitting someone is the most difficult if you never faced this kind of situation.
As for the technics, you will always find someone stronger anyway, so it is up to you.
Anything involving sparring and real hits at training would do it I think. Being hit or hitting someone is the most difficult if you never faced this kind of situation.
As for the technics, you will always find someone stronger anyway, so it is up to you.
Pull out the heater and make him dance lol. Realistically though, I'm huge compared to most people (6'5, 270ish), and I rarely if ever get fucked with, so if someone has the balls to do stuff like this, I assume they're either a trained world-class fighter and want someone to show off with, or are carrying a weapon and want to use it. You can learn all the karate you want, it won't get you out of all types of trouble.
rhythmicswindle
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Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu. They'll both condition you really well, and you'll be better prepared incase someone manages to get you onto the ground.
Sevket-Erhat
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It really is not about which art it is about how good you can become at them
SneakyStephan
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Yoshimitsu, especially if you are behind in the fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAy1nfCqRvg&t=3m25s
(lol @ fighting threads)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAy1nfCqRvg&t=3m25s
(lol @ fighting threads)
the thing is we now know of all the martial arts that are effective and proven in fighting and which ones are not. people like to make weird points that "there are no rules in the street" and some military uses it or it's fighting brutally and dirty just these weird points that really dont mean anything. and everyone who does krav maga says these points over and over. if you are going to spend time and money learning something id like to learn a lot more than how to try and poke someones eye, but i guess if you drill it enough you can get good at it.. or something.
everyone should watch this LOL
Well that story happened to my friend. The girl he was dating at the time had some crazy ex-bf that confronted them in the mall. He backhanded the girl, and tried to beat down my friend. They both slugged it out, but my friend got hurt pretty badly and had to be hospitalized, while the other guy got like a busted lip. What surprised me is that no one did anything. No one jumped in to help. Cops didn't break it up. They just let two guys brawl in the mall....
Anyways, my point is that you can't always run from a situation, and you don't always go looking for trouble. Sometimes trouble finds you.
As for guns, I'd be very careful before I used it on someone. In some states you need to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that your life was danger. If not, you could end up getting charged with manslaughter.
Vigilant Walrus
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hahahaha! That was good!
PastorOfMuppets
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MMA is very applicable to the real world. Here's a video of a dude fighting off multiple attackers. The things he's does to do so are techniques that you can learn from boxing or MMA in a pure sport environment. All he does is use good footwork, a little bit of head movement and the jab. He does enough to defend himself and constantly backs away while a bunch of people just run wildly at him.
Krav Maga, assuming it's taught by a legit instructor should have this as well. It's not like krav maga has secret techniques that no other martial arts has. The challenging thing about krav maga is actually finding an instructor who isn't trying to bullshit you.
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