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Reggie Fils-Aime on the Two Reasons Why Switch Won't Struggle Like Wii U Did
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Nameless
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Like the Wii-U and unlike the Wii it's not priced competitively at all. The thing is going to get obliterated this holiday season without bundles(and still might anyway). Nearly $400 after tax for the system and one game is ridiculous, especially next to what the other consoles will be offering.
Why the hell wouldn't them? And people have different tastes. I for one find the hybrid philosophy to be extremely exciting.
I'm talking about everything. why would a new IP have the same scope and budget as a new installment in one of the most revered franchises in gaming? that'd be pretty stupid, don't you think?
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
So Switch has Zelda and 3DMario in its first few month, two of the biggest franchises in gaming history.
On top of that Splatoon2 the sequel of the best selling new IP of recent years and with ARMS a widely praised fighting game.
On top of that the Deluxe version of the probably biggest racing game series.
Here Fire Emblem Warriors, Fifa and there Skyrim, Disgaea5 and other interesting games.
And perhaps the sequel of one the most beloved JRPG is ready too...
All of this and even more in its first 9 month? Sounds good to me.
On top of that Splatoon2 the sequel of the best selling new IP of recent years and with ARMS a widely praised fighting game.
On top of that the Deluxe version of the probably biggest racing game series.
Here Fire Emblem Warriors, Fifa and there Skyrim, Disgaea5 and other interesting games.
And perhaps the sequel of one the most beloved JRPG is ready too...
All of this and even more in its first 9 month? Sounds good to me.
Wiitardation
Member
Switch could potentially have three 1st party games in GOTY contention in it's first 9 months (Zelda BotW, Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey) Not a bad start.
Don't be like that. You made a mistake, move on.
No, its alright. You were helpful, I understood your intention. Thank you.
Vital Tundra
Member
They better show that commercial on any network possible and secure a Super Bowl ad as well. The commercial was perfect.
Holy hell I didn't even realize that fact. Crazy good stuff
Is the jury out on it? Really? Because I just don't see devs making titles dedicated to a system like this, and back porting from current gen will be messy.
Crazyorloco
Member
Yup...and they don't realize not many people owned a damn Wii U anyway. So the majority of people have not played these games. These are games for most people.
I feel like they're in their little bubble.
Can we send them all to gamefaqs?
That's a pretty great start.
GuitarAtomik
Member
If you think the Switch is going to have anywhere close to the 3rd party support Xbox One will have this year, I have a bridge I think you might be interested in buying.
Huh. All I can find is that it sold incredibly well given the lackluster user base. Like a third of all console owners bought it. But I dont see where Wii U hardware numbers increased dramatically after release.
Regardless, even if I'm wrong on Splatoon, my overall point still stands. I look at this lineup and I dont see system sellers. I see preaching to the faithful. I see games that will sell in big numbers to the Nintendo fan base. Where are the games to attract a wider audience? Putting Skyrim in the reveal trailer was a good start, and led me to believe they might try and court different experiences to the Switch. To finally try and skew a little older. But in this lineup? I'm not seeing anything to reinforce that position.
This myth needs to die. Just because the Switch is portable doesn't mean it is conveniently portable.
It is very big, it's very heavy and it is very expensive. The games are expensive, too. It's not something you could just whip out of your pocket or purse. Even in you bag you'll want a big ass case around it. It lacks the utility features of a tablet that justify lugging that around.
Portability isn't going to garauntee success in Japan. They still have the 3DS and the Vita (which did much better there) and they still have their phones. It doesn't seem like a "throw it in your pack and forget it" sort of device, which seems key to a handheld IMO.
Version 3.0
Member
GAF, you're slipping. How has no one posted this old thing yet? I mean, yes, we all hope that combining their two systems into one hybrid will alleviate the problems, but I, for one, am not seeing results yet. I just see empty promises again, and I'll believe it when I see it. What do we have right now? A bare-bones release schedule with few actual dates attached to it.
He won't even confirm that all their teams are on the Switch, because he talked up the 3DS' big future a few days ago.
Extra bonus:
Reggie says NX won't repeat mistakes, will have continuous software (August 2016)
https://mynintendonews.com/2016/08/...are-of-past-mistakes-and-wont-repeat-with-nx/
He won't even confirm that all their teams are on the Switch, because he talked up the 3DS' big future a few days ago.
Extra bonus:
Reggie says NX won't repeat mistakes, will have continuous software (August 2016)
https://mynintendonews.com/2016/08/...are-of-past-mistakes-and-wont-repeat-with-nx/
Unless Nintendo's hold plenty of cards to its chest, I have a feeling that comment about gaps is going to get quoted sarcastically all year.
(Tip: Given the assumptions that Nintendo has a lot of secrets left, and the assumption that they just don't have a lot of games all at once, the latter seems much easier to believe. And I say this as a huge fan.)
(Tip: Given the assumptions that Nintendo has a lot of secrets left, and the assumption that they just don't have a lot of games all at once, the latter seems much easier to believe. And I say this as a huge fan.)
check the media create threads for when it launched and after
I'm still confounded by the fact Skyrim isn't a launch title.
I was certain that would be there day one for a double-whammy of Zelda and Skyrim.
Except for all of the hands-on impressions that say it's a lot more than that? Is it the motion controls making you automatically dismiss this as "a Nintendoland style game" and nothing more?
The same reason last of us had the same budget and scope as uncharted? The same way gears of war had the same budget and scope as halo? The same way horizon zero dawn has the same budget and an even bigger scope then most of sonys first party offerings? I could litterally go on for days.
If first party studios aren't willing to put in the time, effort and money into making something of comparable quality as their best sellers, why should we, as customers, put in the time and money playing them?
I get the feeling you don't pay much attention to the industry as a whole. Just because nintendo only pump money into a handfull of piller franchises, doesn't mean everyone does.
Zelda being there day 1 is probably the reason why Skyrim isn't there. Why compete with such a similar game in terms of scope and appeal when you don't need to?
KuwabaraTheMan
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Xenoblade 2 is scheduled to come out during that time as well.
They actually have some level of third party support that fills in the gaps for them. And they do get criticized, too.
This is why it looks silly when you have people listing months and having one game to basically fill in for them all. The competition doesn't deal with that.
I don't know, why release Skyrim Remastered at the end of October?
It's more likely that they had just started development on the port.
Not just that. It looks small in scale and production, yet it costs full RRP.
It will be a tough sell, I think.
I agree with you there. It looked early enough from the footage they showed off that it simply isn't anywhere close to ready for launch.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
All talent focused on a single platform, Switch, as opposed to two, WiiU + 3DS.
As a home console Nintendo is done until they have a console at least comparable to the current generation. I might grab a switch as a handheld one day. It sucks to miss Nintendo's games but other companies make amazing games and there are more than enough of them available to fill my gaming hours. They will never generate enough great games on their own, they need 3rd party support. They will never have 3rd party support when they are a generation behind.
Ok, but where are the other games like Skyrim? Games focused on an older demographic? The demographic they were clearly aiming at in the reveal trailer.
With Bayo 1 and 2 and W101, the Wii U is one of the best action game consoles I've owned and that was a huge reason for me picking it up (although Mario 3D world was the trigger).
So far Switch has nothing im interested in outside of Mario and Xenoblade 2 (hoping they fixed the problems with the very bland and boring X), and Zelda which is available on my Wii U. I hope we can get some unique action games soon, if only Kamiya hadn't been wasting his time with Scalebound for the past 4 years.
So far Switch has nothing im interested in outside of Mario and Xenoblade 2 (hoping they fixed the problems with the very bland and boring X), and Zelda which is available on my Wii U. I hope we can get some unique action games soon, if only Kamiya hadn't been wasting his time with Scalebound for the past 4 years.
A fair point, but I wonder how much the audiences actually overlap? If they're just trying to be careful that's fair enough, but waiting 'til Fall is a bit nuts.
I did goof a bit there, as being handheld does not automatically make for a success. And I'm also just a suburban American resident, so I don't know how day-to-day life is in Japan. But I'd imagine most people probably have a carrying pack of some sort? With public transit being the way nearly everyone gets around, I can't see traveling very often with nothing but pockets.
With that said, I don't think a device slightly bigger than a closed New3DSXL is too big.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Basically this. I'll believe it when I see it. Every time they say the same thing and every time they fall in to the same trap. I'd have more faith in them telling the truth this time if not for Reggie's comments about the 3DS. Hell, the idea that they can finally focus on one piece of hardware was one of the biggest selling points of this thing to me and now they seem to be only half-heartedly committing to that. I get they want to save some stuff for E3, but they could have at least teased some stuff at the live show and saved full blown reveals for E3. Just throw a Metroid logo on the screen and say "Full reveal at E3!" or something.
Crazyorloco
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Leondexter, the difference is that this year Nintendo does appear to have a steady stream of games coming monthly for the Switch. We can see that with Zelda, Mario Kart, Arms, Splatoon, Skyrim, Xenoblade, and Mario Odyssey. That's good/great game almost every month this year.
Save those quotes for next year.
Save those quotes for next year.
Does anyone actually believe this ?
I mean, I want to believe
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
Member
*bet do not includes TLOU 2
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
*ring*
Hello?
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Oh hey Chuck!
Listen Reggie...
Yeah?
What the fuck is this shit I keep hearing about paid online?
*click*
Hello?
Is this Reggie?
Speaking
Hey Reggie, it's Chuck from the sixth grade,
Oh hey Chuck!
Listen Reggie...
Yeah?
What the fuck is this shit I keep hearing about paid online?
*click*
Donniewahlberg
Banned
Hard to agree or disagree with Reggie's first point. Ads have barely started to pop up yet, it's going to be awhile to gather fully whether the average person *gets* the switch better than the Wii U but at least this time it genuinely looks like what it does, it should be clearer than the Wii U in that regard. Whether that will make them want it, we'll see.
I definitely agree with the second point though. Up front in January they were able to present to me around about 7 tentpole first party titles paced from launch throughout the year. There already seems to be rumbling of more Fire Emblem possibilities. We know there will be more other titles dropping in between, both Nintendo & third party releases. I don't know about other folks but a steady flow of games and I don't need more than 10-15 games in the first 9 months, that's plenty to eat up my time.
I definitely agree with the second point though. Up front in January they were able to present to me around about 7 tentpole first party titles paced from launch throughout the year. There already seems to be rumbling of more Fire Emblem possibilities. We know there will be more other titles dropping in between, both Nintendo & third party releases. I don't know about other folks but a steady flow of games and I don't need more than 10-15 games in the first 9 months, that's plenty to eat up my time.
You are forgetting that there are definitely people who skipped out on the Wii U entirely who'll wanna get MK8. I'm one of them. Same with Splatoon, FE Warriors could totally be out this year, they can pump those games out at rapid speeds.
Watch them continuosly reveal smaller "portable" games as they get closer to release throughout the year. People suddenly think Nintendo announces stuff way ahead of time but usually it's a month or two in advance.
Version 3.0
Member
Oh, I will. And I hope I'm too busy playing great Switch games to remember them.
But 1 game a month is not enough. That's what we got on the Wii U. Quoting myself from another thread:
Memorabilia
Member
Well, he's at least partially correct. The first point is valid on its face since the Switch is a clear, compelling changeup from Wii branding...which the Wii U fucked up horribly and ended up confusing people (wait, there's a Wii U too? Is it an expansion for the Wii? etc...). To a degree, the Switch is essentially an evolution of concept, combining elements of the Wii and Wii U with a few other tweaks...so if it goes on to become (relatively) successful at least some of that will probably be due to a clear branding separation so that the majority of the public knows it exists in the first place (which is a major step up from Wii U).
His 2nd point is valid only if Nintendo actually follows through and eliminates the ever-present delays their games always seem to experience. When they wind down DS development and devs come into the Switch fold that should help next year.
The problem with all of this is that, like a good PR guy should, Reggie conveniently forgets the biggest hurdle that determines whether or not the Switch will be another dud or success: Steady 3rd party support. To be sure, his first two points may lead to just enough of a user base that 3rd parties jump on board in a big way. But, thus far this is anything but a given. Because Nintendo has chosen to go with cheaper/downscale hardware once again, most 3rd party ports will require serious downgrades and a separate dev path/port, so the investment needed + the perception of Switch versions of games being by far the worst on the 3 platforms are significant risks not only to the Switch but to those various franchises.
It's almost always the same "chicken or the egg" story with Nintendo: They need sales to get 3rd party games...but they need 3rd party games to get sales (outside the early adopter/hardcore fan base).
What I'd *really* like to see is a few publishers take a chance producing "parallel", smaller scale AA-ish titles that exist in the same universes as various established AAA franchises...less investment/risk, more opportunities to try innovative designs that utilize the Switches control scheme.... I can already hear a lot of people saying "How'd that work out for Ubi with Zombie U?" But I think the first two points Reggie made would contribute to titles like Zombie U having a much better chance on the Switch. And if pubs produce a few unique 3rd party games as parallel/extended stories in beloved universes that people can only experience on Switches then it encourages millions of Xbone/PS4 owners to pick up a Switch. Yeah this idea partially falls into the "3rd party exclusives suck" trap...but at least with Switch it'd be for a somewhat justifiable reason...the hardware necessitates devs get creative and tell stories/present gameplay in a different way that doesn't rely as much on the latest shader or anti-aliasing techniques.
His 2nd point is valid only if Nintendo actually follows through and eliminates the ever-present delays their games always seem to experience. When they wind down DS development and devs come into the Switch fold that should help next year.
The problem with all of this is that, like a good PR guy should, Reggie conveniently forgets the biggest hurdle that determines whether or not the Switch will be another dud or success: Steady 3rd party support. To be sure, his first two points may lead to just enough of a user base that 3rd parties jump on board in a big way. But, thus far this is anything but a given. Because Nintendo has chosen to go with cheaper/downscale hardware once again, most 3rd party ports will require serious downgrades and a separate dev path/port, so the investment needed + the perception of Switch versions of games being by far the worst on the 3 platforms are significant risks not only to the Switch but to those various franchises.
It's almost always the same "chicken or the egg" story with Nintendo: They need sales to get 3rd party games...but they need 3rd party games to get sales (outside the early adopter/hardcore fan base).
What I'd *really* like to see is a few publishers take a chance producing "parallel", smaller scale AA-ish titles that exist in the same universes as various established AAA franchises...less investment/risk, more opportunities to try innovative designs that utilize the Switches control scheme.... I can already hear a lot of people saying "How'd that work out for Ubi with Zombie U?" But I think the first two points Reggie made would contribute to titles like Zombie U having a much better chance on the Switch. And if pubs produce a few unique 3rd party games as parallel/extended stories in beloved universes that people can only experience on Switches then it encourages millions of Xbone/PS4 owners to pick up a Switch. Yeah this idea partially falls into the "3rd party exclusives suck" trap...but at least with Switch it'd be for a somewhat justifiable reason...the hardware necessitates devs get creative and tell stories/present gameplay in a different way that doesn't rely as much on the latest shader or anti-aliasing techniques.
RichiRamjag
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The year of dreams right here.
Alebrije
Member
I agree that this time they manage to sell/show a NEW console.
The problem is that for Nintendo giving Zelda at launch (and no other AAA game plus some crap games) they think is enough until the next big game release. This is not the N64 era, people need more games. Specially if you can get a PS4 for the same price with a ton of games to play.
The problem is that for Nintendo giving Zelda at launch (and no other AAA game plus some crap games) they think is enough until the next big game release. This is not the N64 era, people need more games. Specially if you can get a PS4 for the same price with a ton of games to play.
That's definitely a fair point to make, and I do think that Nintendo should have tried to nab some kind of FPS port to launch with the system. Given the specs, though, who knows if that was even feasible for any of the usual suspects to be able to get one running stable enough to make the launch in time.
If it was up to me, I would have moved heaven and earth to get Blizzard a dev kit to get Overwatch on day 1, since that's the kind of game that would really entice Nintendo fans and draw some attention to have a real portable version of the game out there. But that's just me!