Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Please... We still getting games a year later. Even if DQXI launch on NX we aint playing it cause its not gonna be localized. You need games with hardware.
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Report: NX to make Foxconn Technology Co., Ltd. operations hot in 2016 second half
DrROBschiz
Member
Thats a lot of games being sent to die man....
The Artisan
Member
? i'm just telling it like how I feel
general. i've been saying this for a while. for someone who hasn't bought an 8th gen console yet, the nx will be newest and freshest hardware on the market. so come Q4 this year, nx will have more buzz than the Ps4. although, there is psvr rumored to be released in Q4 too which could make things interesting.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Let em eat cake yo
The general message seems to be everyone on the outside wants in because they have good wages, and everyone on the inside wants out. Foxconn has supposedly improved their working conditions, but it's kinda hard to think of working conditions as being great when you're compelled to install nets on the top of your buildings to catch jumpers.
Why someone would rather jump off a building than quit is a good question, but I have the impression this isn't something you're actually interested in.
Didn't the mighty ps4 launched later in japan? I could totally see an asincronous launch for west and japan split between two different form factor
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
While I'd love to agree with you, there are entire generations of customers that simply don't give a shit about Nintendo's offerings.
The Artisan
Member
i don't necessarily want it to be right though - not that I want nx to fail, i'm just enthusiastic about how well the Ps4 has been selling thus far and would think it'd be a shame if it just stopped out of the blue.
to my point though, how do we know nintendo won't come out with another wii? and i don't mean another motion sensing based console, but another craze in the industry that wins everybody over?
Mysterious
Banned
I still can't believe people are doubting NX comes this Holiday (November 18, 2016). I'll eat a dick if it doesn't come true.
What are you going to play Zelda NX on? Your PC? lol
What are you going to play Zelda NX on? Your PC? lol
For those who don't think Nintendo are going to release the NX this year:
1. AMD have repeatedly talked about a product with a semi-custom APU releasing in the second half of this year.
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2. Macronix have told investors to expect "exceptional" ROM sales this year due to a "new generation platform" from one of their key customers. Nintendo is by far their largest ROM customer.
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Even if you ignore the IHS report, the Digi-Times report, the report this thread is based on, or Trev's leak, which has held up thus far, that's two of Nintendo's main suppliers telling their shareholders that their tech is going to be used in a major new device to be launched later this year, and in both cases Nintendo is by far the most likely customer. The evidence overwhelmingly supports Nintendo releasing at least one of their NX "family" by the end of 2016.
1. AMD have repeatedly talked about a product with a semi-custom APU releasing in the second half of this year.
Devinder Kumar said:
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Lisa Su said:
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2. Macronix have told investors to expect "exceptional" ROM sales this year due to a "new generation platform" from one of their key customers. Nintendo is by far their largest ROM customer.
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Even if you ignore the IHS report, the Digi-Times report, the report this thread is based on, or Trev's leak, which has held up thus far, that's two of Nintendo's main suppliers telling their shareholders that their tech is going to be used in a major new device to be launched later this year, and in both cases Nintendo is by far the most likely customer. The evidence overwhelmingly supports Nintendo releasing at least one of their NX "family" by the end of 2016.
This kind of hints at the NX home using game cards.
Right around the time my kids start asking for it for Xmas.
I'm excited to see this beast!
Ten years ago they managed to release the Wii in all major markets within 3 weeks. It's actually been 15 years since their last staggered home console launch (and even with the Gamecube it was released in both Japan and NA in late 2001, it was only Europe and Australia/NZ who had to wait).
Great summary. There's definitely no way it doesn't come out this year. People who think that are being as ridiculous as Adam Sessler minutes before the E3 2011 Nintendo conference rejecting the rumors of Wii U's unique controller details.
I was already convinced, but now I'm convinced.
Strange that we can already start writing the eulogy for the Wii U and assessing its library. I wonder if there's a single unannounced first party game left for it.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
You think SE are making a separate console SKU of DQXI for it to remain in Japan? Lmao
I'd be shocked if it sold 30 million.
If anything, they may just wait to do Splatoon 2 on the NX Platform rather than port the first game given that it didn't take very long to make the first game.
Shuggananas
Banned
relax he meant vita not ps4
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
I fuck with this guy. Every NX thread, his thinking lines up with mine.
We will get one NX device this year and it'll likely be the console. Handheld will launch in spring, earliest.
Launching both flavours of hardware alongside Pokemon Sun and Moon and Zelda screams sales canabilsation.
I agree about the console launching first & the handheld coming in the spring, but the wording of the bolded seems like you're expecting Sun/Moon to be cross-gen. Am I reading too much into the bolded sentence??
The Artisan
Member
so what is a respectable and realistic launch amount to you then?
They never used the word releasing.
"The other thing I’ll mention in the semi-custom business which you probably picked up in the announcement that we had in October earnings call is we’ve been having a lot of interest in the semi-custom business, the semi-custom business is very unique, whereby it takes AMD’s core IP, we use it across market segments, across customers, across products, customer interest has been high and we projected earlier this year that we would have at least one to two semi-custom design wins and I’m pleased to report that we have those design wins, the work to design the products that has already started, the contract assigned and those parts get introduced in 2016."
Umm I'm talking about home console releases. Not software.,
As far as realistic goes, I'm expecting around 20 million for the NX Console, & maybe 40-50 million for the NX Handheld.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
How can people actually think NX isn't coming in 2016 after the Direct this week? They are continuing to pump out filler titles that started in early to mid 2015.
The direct was strictly for games being released by the summer.
We don't know anything about the new consoles, it's too early to speculate and talk about "realistic" numbers. There's literally nothing that possibly hints at any degree of success or failure, and sales performances of previous generations have zero value at this point.
Yes, and this summer Wii U releases seem to be the most robust outing of all of Wii U´s lifespan BY FAR. Literally all games we knew where in the pipeline are accounted for, except for Zelda and Paper Mario. Zelda, also, will clearly be cross platform. Nintendo is also clearly letting the latter half of the year free in terms of notable releases. Do you think there will be a magical lineup of games for release late 2016 and well into 2017?
No. NX has to be this year.
Do I think they will announce at least two or so more games from nintendo wiiu for 2016? Yes.
Do I think 2017 will be the same drought before a new system while we play the new handheld just like 2000 for GC and 2011 for WiiU? Yup.
You can't assume the console will launch this year. This is Nintendo afterall.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Yes, which is really surprising if it's a home console. I guess it's more feasible in 2016 for games under a certain size than ever before but did Nintendo get a sweetheart deal? I say this cause I don't see 64 GB cards happening this gen, so I'm not sure how Nintendo wants to attract third parties again if they can't port their 40-50 GB games to NX. Something like Splatoon woule only need a 2 GB card at launch (pre fre-DLC), but something like Trev's FF7 and KH3 rumours would need far more.
If you look at Wii U released notable titles and their announcement strategies, there has been literally no instance in which we knew absolutely NOTHING on titles in the pipeline. You assuming 2017 will have zero games is not reasonable. There is zero chance nintendo can get by all 2017 without some mayor mayor losses where this to be the case. There are the plethora of rumors on top of that that point to a 2016 release, and also the fact it lines up nicely with development cycles for Nintendo´s biggest studios, unless you think we have wii u games coming from them that they haven´t bothered to speak about yet. If they where for wii U we would have heard about them. The silence points to them being for the new platform.
Trev said the source was bad on this one or he doesn't trust it.
I didn't say zero games. I said next to nothing for 2017 on WiiU. See GC 2005. Wii 2011. And the release of the NX HANDHELD this year like when the 3ds launched.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
GC 2005 and 2006 were both far more loaded than 2016 Wii U's second half. We have 2 games announced for after June right now, that's unprecedented.
Okay, that makes more sense, especially since Trev didn't mention in that video that it would be coming to NX later or anything. I would have figured a source would be aware of that and repeat that the FF7 remake games will be a timed PS4 exclusive, while KH3 has no such commitment and could come day and date with PS4 and XB1 if the hardware fits, etc.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
I'm sorta wondering if they are going to be going with custom capacity solid state media so they have something small that works in both the console and handheld.
So you are saying basically Zelda week release in 2017? Or do you not believe it will be an Nx title as well?
That is the biggest pointer right there to nx releasing this year.
No way they would cross release it a year appart.
It does not add up.
Listen I love Nintendo as much as anybody and prefer their IP over the other two console makers. But enough with these kinds of posts. The PS4 has taken off and won already. Nintendo should focus on getting third parties back, gaining mindshare in the mainstream crowd, and rebuilding its brand.
Nothing is stopping the PS4.
Prevolition
Member
Rösti;197571011 said:
Fans acting like Nintendo's borderline shovelware is a good line up is part of how things got this bad.
It would make sense if Nintendo wanted all physical games to be used on both console & handheld.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Production should be ramping up soon then. Nintendo handheld 2016 looks healthy, so if the NX is a new handheld, it might be 2017 to give their 2016 lineup some breathing space.
Fourth Storm
Member
Seeing as how Iwata spoke on numerous occasions about avoiding this exact scenario, it this ends up being the case, Nintendo have truly failed.
Iwata understood the importance of momentum in the market. A 2017 NX console would be sheer disaster, not only for their immediate financial situation, but their long term position in the market.
They still have Dragon Quest XI and the Yokai Watch sequels for next year on 3DS. The console needs to come first. Of course, for all we know, NX could be completely different. Perhaps a hybrid based on their Supplemental Computing Device patent.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Or maybe they don't see the console as the main path for their future. I mean, if I were Nintendo, lowering the console side of things as a priority seems like a pretty obvious thing to do. It'd almost be a surprise if it were a traditional console. Most of their fanbase has moved to 3DS/portable, and they need to defend that market as much as possible without a console detracting from their shelf space or marketing.
Maybe for North America, but Japan could get away with the NX Handheld coming this year. Most of what we're getting now on the 3DS have been out in Japan for a good long while.
Exterminieren
Banned
This is not, in its own right, evidence that NX is going to miss its projected launch, given that the last example you cite is a decade old and that Nintendo hasn't ever given a launch projection for the platform. For all you know, it could have originally been planned for this summer and has already been delayed.
That's... not actually evidence, you realise? This idea of the full 5 year cycle being the only thing that determines whether you've got your money's worth is a box-ticking, fannish kind of thing to do, and isn't really something that will factor into either Nintendo's nor the average consumer's feelings on the matter. As a Wii U owner, I'd rather have the system bow out with Zelda this year than trudge on for another year with an enormous drought.
Absolutely no company in the world thinks like this. They'll look at Splatoon sales, and wonder precisely how much it would be able to push on a wider install base than the Wii U. If Splatoon had lit a rocket up the hardware sales you may have a point, but no major company would be satisfying for settling like you suggest.
Well, I don't think there's much doubting that the NX has come into existence much quicker than Nintendo hardware normally has to, as a result of the Wii U's failure. I'd be interested to hear a source for this bit, though, as it's not something I recall hearing myself.
This is making an assumption that Nintendo haven't already got the numbers they want lined up already, which is an total blind leap without solid evidence or internal knowledge.
They're starting production this summer. They're not going to be doing that with an eye for hoarding the hardware for a year or more.
3DS is a profitable range of hardware as it is, and it has games coming this year and next that will sell multiple (in Pokémon's case, tens) of millions.
If you want to build profit, you rely heavily on the mature technology and the established userbase, not by tossing that out of the window and starting again with new tech. It's the Wii U that's the financial albatross, not the 3DS.
We have no idea how involved Ubisoft is with the console, or how many people within Ubisoft have seen the hardware. All this might mean is that Nintendo is (gasp!) being reticent with Western third parties.
Entirely different contexts, and entirely different situations. Many of Nintendo's top-flight developers have been absent for years now, and Nintendo has repeatedly cited final year droughts as a big problem for their hardware business- it explicitly hurt both 3DS and Wii U. I also don't see how you can make both the argument that Nintendo is working to ensure that Wii U has a content-rich send off, and that they're planning for a drought year before it's shuffled out.
I'm sorry, but I'm seeing a lot of groundless or flimsy assertions which in no way counteract the multiple bits of hard evidence we have that the platform is launching this year.