Stumpokapow
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"these" people are about 2 in 3 people in the United States and rising. (1 in 3 obese, 1 in 3 overweight)
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Research study finds calorie info on McDonald's menu is counterproductive
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"these" people are about 2 in 3 people in the United States and rising. (1 in 3 obese, 1 in 3 overweight)
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Yeah. Even more so for the people who drink a big ass 42 oz cup of coke and then go refill it before they leave.
"these" people are about 2 in 3 people in the United States and rising. (1 in 3 obese, 1 in 3 overweight)
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That image gets more and more depressing every time I see it
The Technomancer
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"these" people are about 2 in 3 people in the United States and rising. (1 in 3 obese, 1 in 3 overweight)
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When you have a trend this large across a population this diverse I think its time some people start admitting that weight gain is not just a matter of "willpower" but that outside influences can have effects on people's behavior
iamshadowlark
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I think it's totally a matter of willpower. With the second biggest factor being ignorance.
The problem that the chart clearly shows is that the issue is the way we process our foods now. Everything is loaded with preservatives, which add unhealthy things such as salts and fats. This was not an issue back in the 50-60's. I've also complained that is costs more money to eat healthier, which is counterproductive as well.
Capital_Five
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Damn, now I really want a Big Mac.
Salts and fats. So unhealthy.
Wuthering_Heights
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It works for me.
Haven't ordered anything from McDonald's since they put the calorie information on the menu. Just can't bring myself to do it after seeing those insane calorie numbers staring me in the face.
Fuck, I miss McDoubles.
Haven't ordered anything from McDonald's since they put the calorie information on the menu. Just can't bring myself to do it after seeing those insane calorie numbers staring me in the face.
Fuck, I miss McDoubles.
See You Next Wednesday
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I guess signal colors have to work, because the food industry does everything in their power to not have those included.
Something like this:
UK study here: http://webarchive.nationalarchives....ood.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/pmpexecsummary.pdf
Additional information like "gotta walk 70 minutes" would be great as well, because it gives context. Most people don't know much about calories and such.
So Saturated Fat is the absolute worse when looking at the nutritional value?
I always thought it was sugar?
In grad school I did an independent study on behavior methods and weight gain.
No surprise, we are surrounded by triggers to eat and constantly over eat
Well, in those circumstances I'd probably recommend eating 2-3 Big Macs a day to get healthy.
ClassyPenguin
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Definitely. Fitness/diet gaf ignores this. You can't fight that "bootstraps" mentality.
HBO did a multi-part documentary on obesity. Fitness/diet gaf quickly dismissed it because it didn't fit their narrow, anti-scientific views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pEkCbqN4uo
Omegasquash
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You mean to tell me that businesses that thrive on my eating their shitty, mass produced, preservative loaded, chemical shitstorms that they call "food" are going to find ways to get me to eat their product?
Who'd have thought.
The fast food industry is crap, people. And I get it...a spicy chicken sandwich is some kind of tasty thing that makes your brain send signals to your stomach to have its own special kind of orgasm, but it's not worth it in the long run. It takes personal choice to see advertising for what it is...tricking you into giving them the most money for the least amount of effort, which in their case translates to as cheap as possible. And good for you isn't often cheap.
Who'd have thought.
The fast food industry is crap, people. And I get it...a spicy chicken sandwich is some kind of tasty thing that makes your brain send signals to your stomach to have its own special kind of orgasm, but it's not worth it in the long run. It takes personal choice to see advertising for what it is...tricking you into giving them the most money for the least amount of effort, which in their case translates to as cheap as possible. And good for you isn't often cheap.
The Technomancer
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So...what happened in the last thirty years then? What caused almost a hundred million people to lose their willpower?
Omegasquash
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Constant, incessant and louder advertising. It's erosion.
Nice generalization
I don't think its people being stupid or completely not caring. People just under estimate the amount of calories in regular foods they eat. I am sure a majority of those customers didn't know how many calories they already consumed that day so they see "hmm 800 calories and max is 2k, wow gotta lot of room to eat"
I am sure if a lot of those people were told this is how many calories you have eaten and this is how much you have left they probably would have made a better.
Personally though if i goto mcdonalds im not gonna be going to conserve calories i want that filet o fish and ice cream ain't nothing gonna stop me.
I am sure if a lot of those people were told this is how many calories you have eaten and this is how much you have left they probably would have made a better.
Personally though if i goto mcdonalds im not gonna be going to conserve calories i want that filet o fish and ice cream ain't nothing gonna stop me.
To a degree I agree with him. For people just starting out I tell them to not even have unhealthy foods in the house to avoid temptation.
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I see these studies and the results always seem to show that people ignore, don't fully consider calorie counts. In my case, I always consider it and have definitely made some choices about what to eat.
When I leave NYC, I am always caught off guard by places that don't list their shit.
When I leave NYC, I am always caught off guard by places that don't list their shit.
Omegasquash
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And then that Domino's Pizza commercial comes on and you say "yeah, I'll give that a try." Not having it in the house is one thing, being able to not give in to the never ending stream of ads accompanied by inspirational music, smiling, active, attractive, skinny people EATING THE FUCK out of that food/drinking that beer...that's another story altogether.
It's totally doable to avoid, but it takes willpower, sometimes. Especially if you're working your way out of it, because everyone knows it's harder to quit than it is not to start.
ClassyPenguin
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Come on, you did as well. Really easy to point fingers when you have no idea what you are talking about.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=627061
Obesity isn't a local epidemic, it's worldwide. You have to take into account socio-economic factors that are easily dismissed or hard to discern.
Easy to dismiss people as ignorant or lacking willpower when there are forces greater than that involved. You think people want to be obese, have diabetes, heart disease and increased mortality by choice? There are just very overwhelming forces that the individual has very little control of. Many people have double shits, or have a mother doing morning, while a father does nights. How the fuck are they supposed to cope when they have barely any time or energy to be together let alone grocery shop and cook?
Yeah I agree here too and people need to cook more. Not only do you save money but its way easier. It baffled me when I found out almost all my coworkers buy breakfast AND lunch 5 times a week. Absurd.
Nice try, bud.
We had this argument and you failed it pretty hard. Still waiting for the hopeless scenario where it's literally impossible to eat healthy for someone.
But instead of bringing up other threads in here to derail, PM me instead.
That chart doesn't imply that at all. Take Canadians for example. While our obesity rate is high, it's still far lower than that of the U.S. even though our diets are virtually identical. Portion size is where the disparity lies...food portions are both larger and cheaper in the U.S. than they are in Canada.
ClassyPenguin
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Mother: Day shift
Father: Night shift
Kids: elementary school+after school.
Poor, most likely a minority living in an area where shit closes at night and markets like Trader Joes, Whole Foods, Fresh & Easy are either out of the way and or prohibitively expensive. Kids are fed through public school breakfast and lunch programs and come home to a cheap, filling, but nutritionally empty meal.
Cool PM but I'll bite,sure. What's the budget on food.
ClassyPenguin
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http://www.cdc.gov/nutrition/downloads/State-Indicator-Report-Fruits-Vegetables-2013.pdf
Report on fruits and vegetable availability and consumption.
Report on fruits and vegetable availability and consumption.
Thug Waffle
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lol seriously?
just sayin'
if they were eating to accommodate periods where they didn't have much access to food, they wouldn't be eating more than they need
hunter-gatherer societies displaced by nuclear tests are not representative of prehistoric ones whose only real obstacle in their migration patterns was the weather. not to mention we're talking about obesity here... these people weren't gorging on fats, sugars, and salts like we do today. hence lower obesity rates in these societies and me saying eating a bunch of shitty food when you don't need it wouldn't fly.
balladofwindfishes
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is this some kind of joke post?
Do you see yourself having to hunt your own food and forage for berries any time soon?
but that's not true...
At a buffet, give a person a smaller plate and they eat less. You didn't tell them anything and yet they ate less. They probably don't even realize they eat proportional to their plate size. Just throwing your arms up in the air and declaring everyone too weak to not be obese is not going to fix the problem.
Frozen vegetables are at my Walmart. Are they not at every Walmart with food?
Thug Waffle
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i had no idea that i wasn't a member of a prehistoric hunter-gatherer society. i must've forgot where i was while sitting here using a computer powered by electricity.
u like to misinterpret?
ClassyPenguin
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Depends on your specific location and price. Walmart in many places are in out of the way suburban areas not in urban ones due to zoning.
Look, you can pick and choose all kinds of variables to get your answer and blame it on laziness or whatever BUT that's not what reports indicate.
sonikokaruto
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I actually only like the small, dollar hamburgers. Those are great. No cheese makes them godly.
So where exactly is a location with absolutely no access to foods like chicken, frozen vegetables and rice? But plentiful supplies of fries, candy and chips?
ClassyPenguin
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Ghettos, poor farming communities, rural towns.
Shit, even in many places in LA, you'd still have to drive and it's not easy for many people to do that because they don't own a car and rely on our horrid public transportation system.
Not eating in a lot of social situations will see you regarded in a negative light, especially with junk.
Shit sucks.
And the food stores or stores that have food exclusively sell junk, right?
I mean, come on, man. I'm not denying its harder for some people. I'm not denying people don't eat enough vegetables. But I absolutely refuse to believe people have LITERALLY no access to healthy foods, yet have plenty of access to junk.
ClassyPenguin
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"Lazy fat people how dare they eat cheap and filling food! They should cook instead those fat lazy fucks! Who cares that you just finished a 10 hour shift and your kids are hungry!"
whoa where are you getting these numbers?
The numbers vary depending on sex, age, height, weight and what you want to do, there is no be all end all that says men eat 2400 women eat 2000. Go see a registered dietician they will be able to tell you what to do.
Also the food pyramid is gone, its called the plate method now.
You answered your own question, dude. Cause they are lazy? Dunno why you said that in response to what I wrote.
You are terrible at arguing
"Here is a link that makes half my point and agrees with what you say about being difficult for some people"
Show me on that link where it's literally impossible. Please.
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