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nush

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Today's confessions update, not mine and seems genuine enough.



TLDS; too long didn't screencap. "I'm sick of low effort fashion trans, their drama and being lumped in with them"

And look who comes right along TRRIGGGERED11111!!!

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TLDS WRONGTHINK LOOPHOLE DETECTED!!!

Of course proving the confessors exact point with classic lack of self-awareness. :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

benjipwns

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it's causing cross forum drama
https://www.resetera.com/threads/contrapoints-opulence.146668/post-26205219
Edit: CW Truscum rant.


https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-anonymous-confessions-2019-v3-0-one-version-higher-than-the-giftbot.150087/page-7#post-26204327


So this confession just showed up in the confessions thread. I figured it was relevant to the thread since it makes direct mention of Natalie and is about NB people as well.
Hey, like, I know this is the Contrapoints thread, but can you put a content warning or something when you link to some truscum asshole ranting about how my existence offends them?
This is horrifying. Why do things have to be this way?
This whole discourse is really opening my eyes to just how unapologetically shitty some binary trans people are. Non-binary trans people really need to be at the forefront of the trans rights movement, and those of us in binary need to give them all the support we can.
Oh look a truscum emboldened about their opinion because "Natalie believes what I do". Who could have possibly seen this coming. That was just fucking terrible
 
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ResetERA.com has banned people for "transphobia" for having "truscum" views almost since the start. Sometime last year they basically permabanned someone with suicidal feelings about their dysphoria for saying they didn't want to be trans, which upset incelsiorlef and others.

The post about how "non-binary trans" need to be the forefront of the movement is quite special. You're apparently "trans" constantly since you can feel like any gender at any time. No more "trans women are women, trans men are men" needed and unlimited possibilities for everyone else to literally murder them by misgendering!
 
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So they want to put a bunch of neckbearded basement-dwellers with no social skills that are obssesed with dressing up as and pretend to be girl anime characters as the forefront of the entire LGBT movement? Lol good luck with that, they basically highjacked and are destroying the entire movement. That's what happens when you put the crazies in charge.
 

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ResetERA.com has now officially become a dangerous place for trans posters:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/era-anonymous-confessions-2019-v3-0-one-version-higher-than-the-giftbot.150087/post-26211196
Kyuuji said:
I haven't even read this whole response yet because I'm too irritated and this start hits the nail on the head.

Can we actually get a beat on why the mods are actively ignoring and sidestepping trans views and sentiment, and those of allies, in this place, because it's become incredibly apparent.

Every single fucking thread on trans issues is derailed from page 2 and the entire rest of the thread is perpetually locked into trans people having to defend their level of irritation to the rest of the forum. Every page, every thread. It's just taken as fact that this is how these play out now.

People telling trans people they're "too sensitive" are given a warning at best as they run in to dismiss concerns in the exact same way at page 9 as someone did on page 2. Being called robots, loners, people that hate fun, people looking to be upset, outrage, harrassers, abusers, people that want Natalie Wynn dead. All in the past week and a half and we're what? Supposed to break our backs every thread politely writing the same thing that we did the last page just so we can perhaps get back to the real discussion instead of validating our irritations to the rest of the forum so they're seen as acceptable or ok?

It's got to the point where even allies have stepped back and gone "uh what the fuck?" posting that it's got to the stage where something needs to be done:

Which is great, and you have mods come in and acknowledge that it's an issue. Except then when people ask for it to be stuck, to be given some prominence so this can actually start to be combatted, and they vanish off the face of the Earth.

People posting multiple posts and you suggest it through the report function and you get nothing in return. Mods just don't respond to the thread after the mention of a sticky or discussing how the problem could be remedied.

So you get trans people, like me now and many members before me, who just give up. Who cannot be fucked to have every single trans thread either be post the same arguments every page or be told to shut up. What is the fucking point?

I spent time writing paragraphs the last day and a half combatting it across two of the current threads. Changed the minds of three members and they apologise for effectively coming in and telling a thread to be quiet. The next page the same dismissals are there again.

As said before this is just taken as fact as how trans threads play out. One page of trans people discussing the concern and the next 10 being told to hush by cis people and then having to validate our own hurt to them in order for it to be deemed acceptable for the forum.

Then after all of that you come in here and some absolute fucking trash is being signal boosted, emboldening those same people that run into these threads, giving them more ammunition to push the same thing they've always done.
 
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i believe they arrived at "all it takes is 30 seconds to look at the rest of the channel's videos and judge them based on the thumbnail & title". so basically judging a book by it's cover.

of course if you told them that an airport security guard only takes 30 seconds to look at random people and categorize them into "terrorist" or "non-terrorist" categories based on first sight alone, they would say "oh that's horrible profiling!" yet the same behavior is totally cool on an everyday basis.
Where did this attitude of hasty judgment come from? Twitter?

It has seeped into most political talk. Only caring about the thumbnail not the substance.


Does that Cheebo character actually care about any SJW nonsense other than to defend the new trilogy? That guy/girl/whatever is seriously unhinged.

Imagine spending every waking second defending an objectively poorly made movie that exists solely to make billionaires more money. And I actually appreciated some of the stuff Rian tried (and failed) to do.
He does it on other forums with the same screen name.. Gets shut down or ignored and he never replies again. Like at the theforce.net where most of the mod staff hate TLJ
 
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So let me get this right. They silenced a very opressed minority? Holy shit 🤡

Transfobic transperson. Whew lads, we're hitting the apogeum o crazy


"I'm not trans, but let me speak for them" I thought this would provide more LOLs but even after a few hours once the usual posters have driven by with support and virtue signaling it's failing to gain any traction.

"Trans folk deserve to be heard without dismissal of their views" Let's give that a try from this very same topic.




Literally treated worse than a North Korean or a Chinese Uighur Muslim,yup we heard your views alright..
They are so damn salty this topic barely got any traction despite it purposely being bumped multiple times. They are mad the mods didn't bend to thier will and have it stickied to the forum.

Nobody wants to get involved in that discussion, one hint of wrongthink or even asking a question is surely a ban. The mods are unlikely to put anything in writing or comment as to why it's not getting stickied.

It's trans civil war now.

🍿
 
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What a shitshow. :)

How does it all that actually work anyway?

Surely to be considered "trans" you need to be transitioning to some degree and to some extent, at the very least, need to be trying to pass?

I know they are all hung up on things like "gatekeeping" but surely simple common sense tells you that someone who is taking medications, having surgeries and drastically altering their life on a very fundamental level has more of a say on trans issues than some sad neckbeard sitting at home claiming to be "non-binary"?

Person A: "I spend 10s of thousands of dollars on my transition and it took about 5 years and multiple surgeries to really get it just right".
Person B: "I'm just challenging the gender binary on The Internet for likes and retweets".

I'm sorry but I think it's fine to dismiss Person B's "lived experience" because they are taking the fucking piss.

I have a lot of respect for people who take it upon themselves to transition and who do what has to be done to make it all happen. Fair play to them.
It seems like it's brutally difficult and challenging and not exactly a fun time.

I think it's a bit shitty when people try to undermine that.
 
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My thing with non-binary is; if transgender identity isn't based on a biological or medical distinction... what separates it from any other self professed identity? Be it a professional identity, hobbyist identity, fashion identity, political identity, etc. As far as I can tell within society the argument is (or has been) that certain identities -- ones based on biological, immutable characteristics -- are given special deference. Race, Sex and Sexual Orientation being a few big examples. Denigrating someone on the basis of their racial identity is considered wrong and you'll often hear "it's wrong to judge someone for something they cannot control" offered up as one of the reasons why. For some people this deference even extends to humor or the use of certain language. On the other hand denigrating fans of a particular sports team isn't a taboo at all. Same for any number of other non-biologically based identities. Nobody is gonna call you a bigot for not liking Lawyers or Goths.

So if non-binary identity requires no biological or medical component to be valid; what reason is there to give it the same social distinction as race,sex,etc? It seems to me like a way of self expression like countless other identities are, but non-binary is making the social demands that up until now only biological identities have made. If the argument is shifting from "it's wrong to judge someone for something they cannot control" to "it's wrong to judge someone for how they choose to express themselves" then how is that argument not valid for every single identity that exists? Is every identity under the sun supposed to be given the same social distinction as race? That doesn't seem tenable. It doesn't work as a social standard for bigotry.
 

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What a shitshow. :)

How does it all that actually work anyway?

Surely to be considered "trans" you need to be transitioning to some degree and to some extent, at the very least, need to be trying to pass?

I know they are all hung up on things like "gatekeeping" but surely simple common sense tells you that someone who is taking medications, having surgeries and drastically altering their life on a very fundamental level has more of a say on trans issues than some sad neckbeard sitting at home claiming to be "non-binary"?

Person A: "I spend 10s of thousands of dollars on my transition and it took about 5 years and multiple surgeries to really get it just right".
Person B: "I'm just challenging the gender binary on The Internet for likes and retweets".

I'm sorry but I think it's fine to dismiss Person B's "lived experience" because they are taking the fucking piss.

I have a lot of respect for people who take it upon themselves to transition and who do what has to be done to make it all happen. Fair play to them.
It seems like it's brutally difficult and challenging and not exactly a fun time.

I think it's a bit shitty when people try to undermine that.
It's undoing all the work the previous trans communities have put in to edcucate people that "trans are not transvestites, cross-dressers or a man in a dress". Yet these newcomers are calling the other group scum. If I'm understanding the situation correctly.
 

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All of these fluid, transient, intermittent identities are bullshit.

If I eat a salad for one meal, that does not make me a vegan for that meal. If I eat mozzarella and olive oil for a meal, that does not make me a lactovegetarian. If I eat just a steak for one meal, that does not make me a pure carnivore. I just wanted different things at different times.

The same goes for "fluid" gender and sexuality. If you like dick today and vagina tomorrow, you are not changing from gay to straight. You are just bi and had different urges at different times. If you like dressing up as a woman sometimes but (without societal pressure) don't feel like a woman, maybe you are just a crossdresser. Maybe you just like soft clothes.
 
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The trans and "ally" militants are going to burn the place down and eat each other alive in the end. It's always the same extremely vocal suspects accusing the rest of the forum of abhorrent shit. They call themselves a community despite only agreeing one one point: that they are always right and their "lived experiences" afford them a special voice that must be respected above all others. The craziest thing: it's always the male allies and MtF trans (and apparently for many of them, they don't even need to identify or attempt to assimilate as 'women' in a binary sense to be considered trans) that are the most aggressive. Quite literally biological males shouting down any disagreement and raging about not getting their way.
 

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It's undoing all the work the previous trans communities have put in to edcucate people that "trans are not transvestites, cross-dressers or a man in a dress". Yet these newcomers are calling the other group scum. If I'm understanding the situation correctly.
It's just bullying. Basically.

If you think about the main "targets" these folk claim to have.
Incels. Alt-Right. Nazis.
How many of these does anyone actually ever encounter?

I mean legitimately how many times have the most loudmouthed on there actually ever been face to face with a legit "enemy", even if it's just online?

So all that aggressive energy has to go somewhere and that's why they end up going after each other.
Yeah, we are trying to educate people that trans are not transvestites, cross-dressers or a man in a dress but everyone in our sphere of influence already believes that.
However so and so apparently said in a youtube video at timestamp 42:13 that they were sick of hearing about pronouns. Get 'em!

Anyone who got built up and found fame through the activism and pontificating will eventually be torn down, ejected from the echo chamber, and replaced with someone else.
 
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I remember when Destiny and Contrapoints were both heroes of the Reset community.
The time it takes to "live long enough to see yourself become the villain" has been greatly truncated in recent years due to an acceleration in demands to conform with increasingly crazy and impossible ideas about society.
 
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The time it takes to "live long enough to see yourself become the villain" has been greatly truncated in recent years due to an acceleration in demands to conform with increasingly crazy and impossible ideas about society.
For the same reason, the time to become an actual villain has been greatly truncated too.

The things I've seen people I cared about or respected turn into over the last few years. :messenger_neutral:
 

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I don't think holding a poll is in the best interests of the die hards on that forum.



The few polls I've seen about contentious issues usually reveal that the forum consensus is not with the most animated posters in the thread.

The rare times they have a feedback thread that is inevitably shut down by the mods for meta commentary or whatever is when you'll see people talking about how they choose to stay quiet because of certain posters.
 
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Since I haven't been to that place in forever, are there really this many threads dedicated to just "trans" stuff? It seems really overkill IMO. We have plenty of trans users here....I think? and yet they don't seem to be angry that there aren't 187 threads all dedicated to how awful everybody else is....right?

I really am the old guy when I see some of those posts shared, thinking "I know some of those words"
 

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It's almost like actual political alignment and personal political views don't matter to them, and it's just if you are willing to push the latest prevailing narrative of the torch mob. And, it's almost like feuding cults of personality trying to shut down anyone that doesn't 100% back their mercurial thoughts of the day.

Wait... does that mean this doesn't reflect a sincere political movement but is just fiddling narcicism of toxic groups of people? No! That's too cynical to even consider.
 
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It's getting really tempting to create another user there. An anti-truscum non-binary mtf trans is right now top troll potential. The faster this rolls over the edge and the crazier it becomes the better cause the backlash will come sooner.
 

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Kirblar banned! he couldn't resist dunking on Glenn Greenwald as a Russian spy, even when the dude was fighting real fascism in Brazil
Kirblar
Banned


Today at 12:39 PM
User banned (1 week): Off-topic derailing in a sensitive thread about a victim of violence over multiple posts

Ah yes, the progressive publication The Intercept where *checks notes* Steve Bannon had sources he could check in on to corroborate information.
 
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Reading the thread about the latinx poll thread is a trip.



This post does bring up a good point. It seems awfully paternalistic for a tiny minority of people evidenced by the poll to suggest to everyone else that they need to change how they speak because of an issue that is in all honesty, fairly trivial.



There's already a term "Latin" to describe groups of people without a gender component. So what exactly is the reason for "Latinx" when "Latin" already exists?



So languages need to be gender neutral. A term to suit that purpose already exists, but it needs to be replaced. This seems fairly vane, the only purpose I can see in replacing "Latin" with "Latinx" is to tie the origins of that gender neutral term to their activism.

It doesn't appear to offer any advantages over the original word so what's really being replaced is just the origin.



This post seems to describe what's actually happened. Twitter has a habit of making opinions held by a small group of people seem large. One of the quirks of social media is figuring out just how many people believe things that get signal boosted on Twitter and and how many people don't despite appearances.
 

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Reading the thread about the latinx poll thread is a trip.



This post does bring up a good point. It seems awfully paternalistic for a tiny minority of people evidenced by the poll to suggest to everyone else that they need to change how they speak because of an issue that is in all honesty, fairly trivial.



There's already a term "Latin" to describe groups of people without a gender component. So what exactly is the reason for "Latinx" when "Latin" already exists?



So languages need to be gender neutral. A term to suit that purpose already exists, but it needs to be replaced. This seems fairly vane, the only purpose I can see in replacing "Latin" with "Latinx" is to tie the origins of that gender neutral term to their activism.

It doesn't appear to offer any advantages over the original word so what's really being replaced is just the origin.



This post seems to describe what's actually happened. Twitter has a habit of making opinions held by a small group of people seem large. One of the quirks of social media is figuring out just how many people believe things that get signal boosted on Twitter and and how many people don't despite appearances.
I get it from their perspective. Being bottom of the food chain their entire lives, they now suddenly feel empowered trying to get the 99.9% to change language to suit the 0.1%. And that’s what it boils down to - “change your language to suit me normie.”

Latinx lmao. My mama would pulverise me if I called her that.
 
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Does anyone know who this Hobbes guy is. He's verified as "incident" manager. He is also really insufferable with his SJW takes and posts almost as bad as Cheebster.

I have been wondering who it is
 

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Does anyone know who this Hobbes guy is. He's verified as "incident" manager. He is also really insufferable with his SJW takes and posts almost as bad as Cheebster.

I have been wondering who it is
He's a nobody, virtue signaling is all he's got. Even the "incident manager" is a bottom of the rung IT Support outage coordinator requiring no actual IT skills. Everything about that guy is faked to make himself sound more important than he is in real life.

He's one of the group of reeetard posters that orbit any outrage issue that has nothing to do with them personally making sure they are seen as being on the "right" side.
 

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He's a nobody, virtue signaling is all he's got. Even the "incident manager" is a bottom of the rung IT Support outage coordinator requiring no actual IT skills. Everything about that guy is faked to make himself sound more important than he is in real life.

He's one of the group of reeetard posters that orbit any outrage issue that has nothing to do with them personally making sure they are seen as being on the "right" side.
Thanks, I want to buy the guy a Cape

Jesus imagine getting verified with that
 

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Does anyone know who this Hobbes guy is. He's verified as "incident" manager. He is also really insufferable with his SJW takes and posts almost as bad as Cheebster.

I have been wondering who it is
He was originally verified as a "freelance journalist" but then when they found out he's basically an entry level IT person they changed it to a different title.
 

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Thanks, I want to buy the guy a Cape

Jesus imagine getting verified with that
It was originally a "freelance journalist" verification, but then it was discovered that he basically only ever did a few articles and hadn't published anything for a long time. It then got switched to "Incident Manager." I always took it as a joke the mods played on him, but it's hard to tell.
 

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That latinx thread is a perfect microcosm of all that ails that forum. You have an overwhelming majority rejecting a term on logical, well-reasoned, culturally-relevant grounds, and yet, a vocal minority (many of whom aren‘t even Latino, unless there’s some transracial thing going on) has the cojonxes to not only tell them that they are wrong, but demand that they be catered to.
 
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Cis oppress gay.
Gay oppress trans.
Trans oppress nbs.

Wonder who’s next? 🤔
I guess it was a natural progression.

Everyone fights against the straight white man (which every one of them is stereotyped to be rich with good jobs and overflowing bank accounts).

Win a few rounds by moaning and complain and getting laws passed.

Sounds good right? Yes............

............ ("Now that we got the white man, now time to move on down the chain and act like overlords to the similarly "oppressed" groups who were once allies")

lol

Stay on the sidelines white people. Let the oppressed group #1 fight oppressed group #2. And after a winner is declared, stay on the sidelines and watch as they try to overpower oppressed group #3.
 
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