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Forceatowulf · Aug 18, 2006

f_elz said:
You're EvilTaru?

I thought it was pretty obvious. His posting style stands out very much.

Wollan · Aug 18, 2006

If they manage to get MGS4 out in 07 it will be a incredible feat. Not relating to engine(as I'm sure they will have something perfectly godly smooth before the end of this year) but in terms of features. Not only will they have all of those crazy new stuff stuff you can do and so on, it will also ship with a full online mode. I wouldn't be surprised if it slipped to 2008.

jett · Aug 18, 2006

HomerSimpson-Man said:
Still the more initially impressive looking sequence of Raiden taking down a slew of Metal Gears as opposed to Snake's run in with just the two Metal Gears was a lot smoother, it looks like the engine showing off the breakaway building is much more computationally intensive than even if Raiden was talking down like half a dozen Metal Gears.

The Raiden sequence was smoother than the Snake's encounter with the gekko gear(which was running like in the freaking single digits), but it still seemed below 30fps. The only part of the trailer that seemed to run perfectly(might have even been 60fps) was when Snake and the middle eastern guerrilla soldiers were going into town.

BigBoss said:
So if he sped up the trailer at TGS why didn't he do the same thing for the E3 trailer?

Maybe you should ask Kojima.

Guess he wanted to keep a perfect aesthetic last year(or create teh hype), but felt like being an honest chap this time around.

Amir0x · Aug 18, 2006

Well, there will be a new MGS4 trailer at Leipzig so we'll see what's up then!

-Rogue5- · Aug 18, 2006

Wollan said:
If they manage to get MGS4 out in 07 it will be a incredible feat. Not relating to engine(as I'm sure they will have something perfectly godly smooth before the end of this year) but in terms of features. Not only will they have all of those crazy new stuff stuff you can do and so on, it will also ship with a full online mode. I wouldn't be surprised if it slipped to 2008.

Man, they don't need to add online or extras.... that's what MGS4:Subresistence will be for... and it'll be multiplatform...maybe...

Kittonwy · Aug 18, 2006

Amir0x said:
Well, there will be a new MGS4 trailer at Leipzig so we'll see what's up then!

Are you serious? Is this true? You just made my day.

Surreal · Aug 18, 2006

-Rogue5- said:
Man, they don't need to add online or extras.... that's what MGS4:Subresistence will be for... and it'll be multiplatform...maybe...

No, that's what free online distribution is for. =P

Kittonwy: An MGS4 trailer and a MGS PSP trailer too.

Amir0x · Aug 18, 2006

Kittonwy said:
Are you serious? Is this true? You just made my day.

Yes, we had heard this would be true a few weeks ago and the latest issue of EGM confirms this

Kittonwy · Aug 18, 2006

Amir0x said:
Yes, we had heard this would be true a few weeks ago and the latest issue of EGM confirms this

That is ^__^ing awesome. Now Leipzig at least has some meaning for me.

Wollan · Aug 18, 2006

MGS4 or it's portions will never be multiplatform. The final game will probably be incredibly dependent on the nuances that the PS3 architecture provides but it will also take use of the waggle in several ways(and next gen rumble... wait for it!).

HomerSimpson-Man · Aug 18, 2006

You know, I kind of like how this thread suddenly turned all about MGS4. :lol

momolicious · Aug 18, 2006

Is Amy Hennig one of the best female game directors/producer? not many out there

if its 30fps it better be amazing looking.

Doom_Bringer · Aug 18, 2006

momolicious said:
Is Amy Hennig one of the best female game directors/producer? not many out there

if its 30fps it better be amazing looking.

Amy who? Watcha talking about doodz?

WHOAguitarninja · Aug 18, 2006

Doom_Bringer said:
Amy who? Watcha talking about doodz?

She was the lead writer on the legacy of kain series, which is to say, she is REALLY, REALLY good.

Doom_Bringer · Aug 18, 2006

oh I see

HomerSimpson-Man · Aug 18, 2006

momolicious said:
Is Amy Hennig one of the best female game directors/producer? not many out there

if its 30fps it better be amazing looking.

Eh, 30 fps seems to be next gen standard amazing looking or not lately. That being a rock solid 30 fps on the other hand...

Bearillusion · Aug 18, 2006

momolicious said:
Is Amy Hennig one of the best female game directors/producer? not many out there

if its 30fps it better be amazing looking.

She even responds to e-mail. Well she did when I compalined about the tearing in Jak 2. She thought the trade off was worth it. I don't. That said I think Jak 2 is all kinds of awesome.

momolicious · Aug 18, 2006

I think the tradeoff was worth it

Kittonwy · Aug 18, 2006

Doom_Bringer said:
Amy who? Watcha talking about doodz?

Hennig was the director/writer/designer of the Soul Reaver games (she was also the design manager of Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain), she and Richard Lemarchand (senior designer) both left Crystal Dynamics to join Naughty Dog (not sure if Lemarchand left before or after Defiance since Lemarchand joined Naughty Dog prior to Hennig afaik).

Ajax · Aug 18, 2006

GreekWolf said:
If the final product ends up looking like that, I will eat my hat

that's made out of chocolate

It's Naughty Dog. Get ready to eat lots of chocolate.

Kittonwy · Aug 18, 2006

momolicious said:
Is Amy Hennig one of the best female game directors/producer? not many out there

if its 30fps it better be amazing looking.

According to PSM:

"Also, the game will run locked at 30 frames-per-second online and off, no matter how much action is going on. 60fps had been the plan but the developers decided to add much more environmental destruction and special effects, so the trade-off was made."

So I reckon the reason it's at 30fps is that they want to make a much prettier game (and much more environmental destructability) than what was shown at E3. Well I hope the final product will reflect that.

Bearillusion · Aug 18, 2006

momolicious said:
I think the tradeoff was worth it

While I don't agree it doesn't bother me like it used to. Jak 3 (PAL version) is much worse which is disappointing as I'd hoped that would have worked on that.

mckmas8808 · Aug 18, 2006

We need pictures. >:-(

Oneself · Aug 18, 2006

mckmas8808 said:
We need pictures. >:-(

Badly.

Kittonwy · Aug 18, 2006

Oneself said:
Badly.

Blame the NDA ninjas and those damn embargoes!!! >_<

jett · Aug 18, 2006

Well if it's 30 because of added effects and shit it better blow me the **** away now.

HomerSimpson-Man · Aug 18, 2006

jett said:
Well if it's 30 because of added effects and shit it better blow me the **** away now.

I'm thinking no for you. It's been 30 fps since E3 anyway. I'm trying to think of a 60 frame per second FPS for next gen and all I got is Call of Duty 2 really and even then it wasn't quite solid.

Kittonwy · Aug 18, 2006

HomerSimpson-Man said:
I'm thinking no for you. It's been 30 fps since E3 anyway. I'm trying to think of a 60 frame per second FPS for next gen and all I got is Call of Duty 2 really and even then it wasn't quite solid.

The multiplayer was running at 60fps though.

lilltias · Aug 18, 2006

Doom_Bringer said:
Pre-baked lighting should be a thing of the past

:lol

buckfutter · Aug 18, 2006

Didn't Kojima come straight out and confirm at a panel event that the reason the framerate was so unoptimized in the E3 trailer was due to the destructible environment physics all being done in realtime and the team not having enough time to get the kinks worked out? The severe frame drops all coincide with the gekkos puncturing walls. Oh, and at the start in graveyard with the tons of flowers.

SolidSnakex · Aug 18, 2006

buckfutter said:
Didn't Kojima come straight out and confirm at a panel event that the reason the framerate was so unoptimized in the E3 trailer was due to the destructible environment physics all being done in realtime and the team not having enough time to get the kinks worked out? The severe frame drops all coincide with the gekkos puncturing walls. Oh, and at the start in graveyard with the tons of flowers.

That and because he said during the final weeks of putting the trailer together his team pumped a bunch of special effects into the game which caused some problems.

bud · Aug 18, 2006

jett said:
I bet a BILLION DOLLAHZ that last year's MGS4 trailer was artificially sped up to run at 60fps 100% of the time. No way it was actually running like that last year, with MGS4 running THIS YEAR like total ass.

MGS4 will no doubt have a somewhat steady framerate by its release(like MGS3, at least), but I'm just saying...

last year's mgs4 trailer was full of placeholders...

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Luckyman · Aug 18, 2006

Mrbob said:
I think this game has a shot to be not only the PS3 GOTY, but overall GOTY.

Ok.. keep your expectations low? :lol

Kittonwy · Aug 18, 2006

Luckyman said:
Ok.. keep your expectations low? :lol

I wouldn't doubt it would be GOTY for the PS3.

Doom_Bringer · Aug 18, 2006

NinjaDOF[MSV] said:
:lol

what's so funny about that??

Kittonwy · Aug 18, 2006

SolidSnakex said:
That and because he said during the final weeks of putting the trailer together his team pumped a bunch of special effects into the game which caused some problems.

Did they have the final kits in time for the E306 trailer? He said with the final kits the visuals will improve, right?

PjotrStroganov · Aug 18, 2006

f_elz said:
RAM... RAM ... RAM
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Streaming?

SolidSnakex · Aug 18, 2006

Kittonwy said:
Did they have the final kits in time for the TGS trailer? He said with the final kits the visuals will improve, right?

For 2006? I have no idea. They should have some time to work on the final kits before putting the trailer together. He told EGM that with the E3 trailer they were just becoming accustomed with the PS3's hardware and he expects the game to improve greatly from what we're currently seeing. So that could show up at TGS.

RaijinFY · Aug 18, 2006

SolidSnakex said:
For 2006? I have no idea. They should have some time to work on the final kits before putting the trailer together. He told EGM that with the E3 trailer they were just becoming accustomed with the PS3's hardware and he expects the game to improve greatly from what we're currently seeing. So that could show up at TGS.

Do you have that quote? Not that I aint trusting you but I would like to see what he said exactly.

thetrin · Aug 18, 2006

Glad to hear it's looking better. I've always been a huge insomniac fan, so I'm interested to see what they do with a game like Resistance (which, as far as I know, is completely different from their entire discography).

Doom_Bringer · Aug 18, 2006

RaijinFY said:
Do you have that quote? Not that I aint trusting you but I would like to see what he said exactly.

He said that I remember reading it

Kittonwy · Aug 18, 2006

SolidSnakex said:
For 2006? I have no idea. They should have some time to work on the final kits before putting the trailer together. He told EGM that with the E3 trailer they were just becoming accustomed with the PS3's hardware and he expects the game to improve greatly from what we're currently seeing. So that could show up at TGS.

Sorry I meant the E306 trailer.

Kittonwy · Aug 18, 2006

TheTrin said:
Glad to hear it's looking better. I've always been a huge insomniac fan, so I'm interested to see what they do with a game like Resistance (which, as far as I know, is completely different from their entire discography).

I'm looking forward to the improved lighting, but I'm more anxious to see how the improved environmental destructability will turn out.

SolidSnakex · Aug 18, 2006

RaijinFY said:
Do you have that quote? Not that I aint trusting you but I would like to see what he said exactly.

Here it is

GM: Will the gameplay look as good as the trailer? It's real-time, right?

Hideo Kojima: Yes, it is real-time, made with nearly final PS3 tools. My staff put a lot of time into, but you still see a little glitching going on. Hopefully, we should be able to fix all of that. We're only now learning how to best use the PS3, so we should be able to greatly enhance the visuals of the final product.

RaijinFY · Aug 18, 2006

SolidSnakex said:
Here it is

Oh crap, I thought you were talking about Resistance since we are in a Resistance thread!

Geek · Aug 21, 2006

New? Old? Better?

There were a couple more posted on Friday, but I hadn't seen them on GAF yet.

Wollan · Aug 21, 2006

Holy shit!

edit: Emergence day Nov 17th? Seems like the ground is ripped open.

Majmun · Aug 21, 2006

They look new to me.

I'm loving the AA.

Guns N' Poops · Aug 21, 2006

Doesn't look very hot.

antiloop · Aug 21, 2006

Guns N' Poops said:
Doesn't look very hot.

Yes it does. But still this game should look much better in motion like it did at E3.

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