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Retronauts Podcast Thread
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Can we discuss what makes lemonade astro?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
What about are video games art?
Excuse me?
As for the 'discussion again', sorry but this thread is 15 pages long, so I may have missed the original discussion...and I was directly replying to someone who I was simply conveying a "I understand the feeling" to.
You'll notice I threw a little smiley in there to show that too. The point is, the show makes me feel old.
Fenster Mayhew
Member
Can a video game make you cry? Or sneeze?
This thread actually covers a fairly substantial amount of time. You can go back just long enough to see an argument whether or not the PS2 is retro (considering they just covered the PSP, well, you can see the position has changed a bit recently)
Last generation was just abnormally long for almost every system. It's like every system besides the Wii decided to suddenly become the NES and stick around zombie like for almost a decade. Hell its not like the 360 launched that much later than the PSP and DS which have been covered by the show! Time marches forward!
Last generation was just abnormally long for almost every system. It's like every system besides the Wii decided to suddenly become the NES and stick around zombie like for almost a decade. Hell its not like the 360 launched that much later than the PSP and DS which have been covered by the show! Time marches forward!
RadarScope1
Member
This is what I'm talking about when it comes to having confidence in the product. Why would you say this? You guys need to just brush off the people who make comments like this. It wasn't an insult. It's just one dude's opinion on the Internet.
Fenster Mayhew
Member
"I don't like this iteration of the show" and "I mostly listen for Jeremy" strikes me as pretty unproductive criticism, though. Maybe we can Kickstart a time machine to bring everyone back to 2007 or something? That's the only way I can see some people being happy.
I assume he got bent out of shape over the Jeremy remark...but as I said, I was a listener back in the 1UP Show days and when Retronauts premiered all those years ago, hence when I said I "Listen for Jeremy" it was just that - He's the heart of the show to me and always will be.
Jeremy is someone that is from my age group, and over the years I have related to a lot. I love his knowledge and general eye for detail and here we are ten years later and I still get to hear him, which is great. Hence as I said, why I still tune in time to time.
I co-hosted my own podcast for about 3 years 10 years ago as well (Dual Screen Radio), it was the first Nintendo DS dedicated podcast to exist. Trust me, with all the good and bad email and comments we used to get on a daily basis, you definitely need to have a thick skin but you know what, sometimes you also have to learn to just let it go and move on.
Anyway, I'll go back to my hole now...
...or maybe I won't...
First of all, if you are going to use quotes, at least get my quote right...my post is only a couple posts above yours, very easy to requote or copy and paste it...
Here is what I actually said:
I didn't say I "Don't like" I said, I am not as big of a fan. I also said WHY I am not as big of a fan...
Which is what lead me to say I really enjoyed hearing Ray in the recent PSP episode. The camaraderie of different characters and not knowing whom would be joining the show every week was always a ton of fun in the original run of Retronauts. I understand that would be hard to reproduce now, given the 1UP dissolution and all though.
entremet
Member
The show is still great.
I think we really need to expand the meaning of retro. This arbitrary limits do the show no favors as it has evolved into more of a survey of gaming.
Things evolve and change. That's fine.
The issue with the various guest is tricky. 1up.com was a unique institution that will never exist again. That much talent under on roof just will never happen again. Games journalism is being eaten alive by YT and Twitch. And many of those guest are have moved on to other cities and jobs.
I think we really need to expand the meaning of retro. This arbitrary limits do the show no favors as it has evolved into more of a survey of gaming.
Things evolve and change. That's fine.
The issue with the various guest is tricky. 1up.com was a unique institution that will never exist again. That much talent under on roof just will never happen again. Games journalism is being eaten alive by YT and Twitch. And many of those guest are have moved on to other cities and jobs.
Oh yeah, of course, and I realize that...it really was lightning in a bottle during that era. Fun times and bittersweet as well.
I like the Laser time people, they hold their own fine.
Since old topics are being redone, how about doing another Simpsons Game episode? Ah geese, I sense another cheesecartoon podcast crossover.
This time you can include the Java games like Itchy and Scratchy Land!
I kind of have an urge to play Virtual Bart. But man those pig and dinosaur stages go on forever.
Since old topics are being redone, how about doing another Simpsons Game episode? Ah geese, I sense another cheese
This time you can include the Java games like Itchy and Scratchy Land!
don't bother it's terrible
I kind of have an urge to play Virtual Bart. But man those pig and dinosaur stages go on forever.
RadarScope1
Member
Who cares if "some people" aren't happy, though? Really, it does not matter. Use your own taste and ideas as your guide. It's worked for all this time.
Fenster Mayhew
Member
I'm not upsetI'd just prefer feedback on stuff we can actually work on. Saying you want to show to be like it was at 1UP, or bringing up something you didn't like from nearly a decade ago doesn't accomplish much. (For the record, I thought we did a good Sega CD episode at PRGE 2013.)
Considering I never insulted you in the first place, you would have no reason to be upset.
My post wasn't meant to be feedback either...I was merely making a quick post replying to another poster and some quick 10 year thoughts of being a fan (Because holy crap, it is 10 years). However, I guess you could take what I said as feedback if you want - Try to mix up your guests a bit, try to get more experts in the field when possible. It doesn't have to be the old 1UP crew obviously, as there are plenty of guys out there doing great stuff (aforementioned Greg Seward for instance is perfect).
In any case, I rarely post here (see above for why), but keep up the good work to all involved.
I'm a part of that Nintendo generation that cut their teeth on mid-to-late SNES and N64 games, so Ocarina is bandied about pretty often in my circles. I'd probably place it on some top list, too, but the Retronauts criticism was refreshing. I hear the prevailing notes of praise often enough to appreciate a reasonable counter-argument. It was also kind of funny to hear Bob forgive the game periodically like a chorus.
I'd never considered the parallel between Mario 64's flooded town level and the Water Temple. Interesting to see where Nintendo's projects intersect.
I'd never considered the parallel between Mario 64's flooded town level and the Water Temple. Interesting to see where Nintendo's projects intersect.
I'm sure this is a slightly prickly subject for the Retronauts crew, but how is the state of skype-casting these days? I know some shows do it well, but that probably requires a decent bit of investment from both parties to make it sound smooth. More than a one off guest would be interested in investing, probably. Ray and Alex make it sound so easy on No More Whoppers; maybe two is the magic number for that.
Fenster Mayhew
Member
I tend to temper my criticisms because some people take it personally when we're negative about a game. (Though people also complain when we're too positive, so what are you gonna do.) Ultimately, though, Ocarina is a product of its time and the stuff that aged poorly is just the product of 1998 game design.
Skype can work if everyone's using it, and if there are fewer people. If you have one person Skyping in, the room dynamic is going to be much different than theirs, and you have to artificially wedge them into the conversation because they don't know when to jump in. We really prefer having everyone together.
Makes sense. Thanks for the reply.
Etrian Oddity
Member
Greg Sewart, Chris Johnston or Phil would be a fucking amazing guest on Retronauts.
I really want a meta Retronauts that discusses 1up or EGM. I was a diehard -- and I mean diehard -- 1up follower back in the day, and simple discussion of day-to-day operations there or stories fascinated me. I'd love for the podcast to do an episode around that.
I really want a meta Retronauts that discusses 1up or EGM. I was a diehard -- and I mean diehard -- 1up follower back in the day, and simple discussion of day-to-day operations there or stories fascinated me. I'd love for the podcast to do an episode around that.
ToastyFrog
Inexplicable Treasure Hate
I sincerely feel like the "hey let's talk about how cool it was to work at 1UP during the ZD era" thing has been beaten to a sad, red pulp. How many navel-gazing podcasts have we recorded about that? I dearly miss what we had, and all my coworkers and friends, but it's been documented pretty thoroughly...
We can fulfill one of your other requests, though.
We can fulfill one of your other requests, though.
I agree. I can't think of many (...any?) exceptional 3D games from that era that are without glaring caveats.
Just want to say that I've listened to the podcast in its various incarnations since 2009
Two generations back has always seemed like a good rule to me. It was certainly good enough for PS1/N64/Saturn/Dreamcast coverage when Retronauts started in 2006. Sorry if you're old and can't come to terms with the fact that you're old. The Retronauts crew seem to have decided it is kosher discussion as well, so I think we can leave the ultra nerd retro purity test out of the discussion now. The category of retro games will continue to grow because that's how time works.
Fenster Mayhew
Member
My nostalgia is different from your nostalgianow we must fight to the death.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I'm picturing people throwing pogs and pokemon cards like throwing stars against a kid with a minecraft axe.
Bare-chested duel over the New Mexico Atari burial pit at dawn. Bring your sharpened N64 controllers. We'll settle this like men.
RadarScope1
Member
Just got the early access email for the next episode. It's all about 240p gaming, CRTs, upscalers, etc. Killer topic! Can't wait to listen while playing some NES on my BVM...
ToastyFrog
Inexplicable Treasure Hate
Please note that it was recorded back in September, I think? I've learned quite a lot more about this topic since then, so I apologize for any false propaganda I may have disseminated.
charlequin
Banned
Time to do a followup Micro episode!
REALLY looking forward to this!
*Picky nerd voice* CRT's capped out at 1080i, not 1080p.
I had a unique TV progression. Up until 2006 I was playing my PS2 connecting via composite to my VCR, then my VCR connecting to my TV via coaxial. The TV was older then I was and still had UHF and VHF nobs on it. Then one day the image started shaking and I had to implement the old secret trick called smack the side of the TV which worked but I decided to buy a new TV anyway.
I went to the store and bought a 27" CRT. This was both the biggest TV ever in my house and the first one to even have stereo sound. I spent $300 on this TV. The picture was so much better. I noticed the TV had composite inputs so I went out and bought Composite cables. I started using those for my PS2 games.
Maybe a month after I got the TV, I saw in a Best Buy flyer that Toshiba had a 26" 1080i CRT on sale for $400 and I immediately regretted not buying that instead. A few months later It was on sale for $400 again and I caved and bought it. First thing I did was pop in God of War II and do that "super duper 480p" cheat code thing the game had. I went through my entire PS2 library looking for which games had a progressive scan mode and tested out how they looked.
I used that TV till 2008 when I got my first LCD TV and my brother used it until a couple years ago. Thing weighed 80 pounds but wasn't too hard to move since it had two nice handles built into it.
Weird thing about it was 1080i signals flickered but 720p signals didn't for some reason. Not sure why that is. The set even had a HDMI port on it.
Edit: Oh and those tiny TV Production monitors need to be durable. They have to survive wrestlers bashing each other in the head with them!
I had a unique TV progression. Up until 2006 I was playing my PS2 connecting via composite to my VCR, then my VCR connecting to my TV via coaxial. The TV was older then I was and still had UHF and VHF nobs on it. Then one day the image started shaking and I had to implement the old secret trick called smack the side of the TV which worked but I decided to buy a new TV anyway.
I went to the store and bought a 27" CRT. This was both the biggest TV ever in my house and the first one to even have stereo sound. I spent $300 on this TV. The picture was so much better. I noticed the TV had composite inputs so I went out and bought Composite cables. I started using those for my PS2 games.
Maybe a month after I got the TV, I saw in a Best Buy flyer that Toshiba had a 26" 1080i CRT on sale for $400 and I immediately regretted not buying that instead. A few months later It was on sale for $400 again and I caved and bought it. First thing I did was pop in God of War II and do that "super duper 480p" cheat code thing the game had. I went through my entire PS2 library looking for which games had a progressive scan mode and tested out how they looked.
I used that TV till 2008 when I got my first LCD TV and my brother used it until a couple years ago. Thing weighed 80 pounds but wasn't too hard to move since it had two nice handles built into it.
Weird thing about it was 1080i signals flickered but 720p signals didn't for some reason. Not sure why that is. The set even had a HDMI port on it.
Edit: Oh and those tiny TV Production monitors need to be durable. They have to survive wrestlers bashing each other in the head with them!
Harlock
Member
NinjaCatfish
Member
Even though I'm at the point where I'm never going back to CRTs and will never be able to justify spending money on an upscale, it was great to hear all of your thoughts and experiences with the various methods of getting the 'best' picture out of old consoles.
I particularly enjoy the 'what was the artist's intent' part of discussion. We'll never know the answer, but it's an interesting topic to go back and forth on nonetheless.
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I particularly enjoy the 'what was the artist's intent' part of discussion. We'll never know the answer, but it's an interesting topic to go back and forth on nonetheless.
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Frank Cifaldi got some upscaling in your graphics.
Before:
Now:
His cat got downgraded in the facial animations though
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Fenster Mayhew
Member
I used an AMAZING flat-tube Sony Wega 27" TV from 2000-2009 until I bought the HDTV I've been using ever since. It's definitely the best TV I've ever owned, and even came with a weird hack that let you watch widescreen stuff in "Super EP" mode or something—I'm not even sure how it worked. The major issue was it weighed something like 300 pounds (or at least more than I could ever carry alone), so I had no choice but to get rid of it when it was time to chase employment across the country. I honestly miss that thing, but I've moved something like seven times since then and have no idea how I would have possibly carted that beast around the country.
Basically, it's pretty tough to be into authenticity if you're in an unstable profession and in tiny living spaces. But I kept my old consoles plugged into the Wega until I sold it on Craig's List.
Basically, it's pretty tough to be into authenticity if you're in an unstable profession and in tiny living spaces. But I kept my old consoles plugged into the Wega until I sold it on Craig's List.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
I'm convinced the unstable profession, all the moving, the indigency, is at least part of what explains why games journalists embraced digital distribution so much quicker than their audience. Nothing to lose, nothing to have stolen, so little to move... again.
Who is left who is still into physical collections? Jeremy said he got away from it. Just Kohler and Gerstmann? Bettenhausen had to get a real job to support the hunger.
I was SD all the way up to, I dunno, 2010? Played MGS4 in SD. I still keep a big-ass CRT for all those old games, costs me nothing but a couple square feet of footprint. I guess it's kind of crazy to me that one would have a physical collection of old consoles, but be loathe to retain old TVs on which to play them, unless they deal with the weird constraints of working in games journalism.
Who is left who is still into physical collections? Jeremy said he got away from it. Just Kohler and Gerstmann? Bettenhausen had to get a real job to support the hunger.
I was SD all the way up to, I dunno, 2010? Played MGS4 in SD. I still keep a big-ass CRT for all those old games, costs me nothing but a couple square feet of footprint. I guess it's kind of crazy to me that one would have a physical collection of old consoles, but be loathe to retain old TVs on which to play them, unless they deal with the weird constraints of working in games journalism.
Kobun Heat
Member
With my wife being so into old rhythm games, we're pretty much never getting rid of the CRT, so I'm set on that front. For me, the physical collection is half about playing games and half about enjoying collecting per se.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
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I will say the CRTs in my extended family are dying left and right. Should yours die, are you gonna move over to some of this upscaler stuff or take your chances on Alibaba?
ToastyFrog
Inexplicable Treasure Hate
I actually decided to cull most of my collection after I stopped moving and bought a house that was several times larger than any apartment I ever rented. I have plenty of space for collecting, but it's just not something I'm interested in doing. No sense in owning a bunch of stuff I'll never have time to make use of. Better to own just a small, curated collection of things I legitimately love.
SirUltimos
Member
I used to play my old consoles on a beast of a television. 32" Sony WEGA that my parents owned. They kept it at their house for a while, but decided to get rid of it around the time I moved into my current apartment. I'd have liked to have it, but dragging that monster up several flights of stairs? Forget it!
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
I've been thinking about it, especially since some of the games it seems I will literally never get around to playing before I die are fetching a fair amount of value right now.
But I'll never forget how I got rid of my original 2600 with Crazy Climber and Quadrun and like the Swordquest comic books and stuff (pretty sure I had a Yar's Revenge comic too) after college, and really regretted it. Full print run of Atari Age, too, all gone.
When the limiting factor on your pile of shame becomes your own eventual yet inevitable death, the point of it all definitely gets a bit hazy. There's precedent, though, people used to buy and collect vast book libraries beyond their own ability to ingest. I do like the effect of having a "game library" to chose from, one that I can peruse and browse much more easily than any of my digital libraries.
We are mirror universe non-sensical retrodorks, Jeremy: you stopped collecting when you finally got some space, and I am still collecting like ever, and still renting.
Haven't you been through this before? You might get the bug again.
I agree with you, though. I'm glad there are people out there collecting all the things, but I have no interest in ever doing that. Just things I love, thanks, and even then, still not all of them.
RadarScope1
Member
I'm right here, man, and I have PayPal. NES, SNES, Genesis and GameBoy. PM me.