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Regarding the space wolves episode, paki is a slur used in Canada as well. It isn't used against middle eastern people, it was used against people from Pakistan and India.


I'm going to assume they started with "pookie" and just added the pac prefix to it because adding pac suddenly makes it funny. But someone should have caught that and came up with another pet name. Pacums instead of shnookums or something wait that's bad for other reasons.

Is there a pet name for Pacman that isn't offensive in some way?
 
Seeing everyone's perception of the Final Fantasy series as a whole is fascinating. Like a beautifully rendered Rorschach test illustrated by Amano.
Cyan said:
Sonic is like Final Fantasy; it's impossible to point out that it hasn't been good since the SNES/Genesis era without someone flipping out.
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My pride!

Some day you'll answer for this.
 
Fenster Mayhew said:
From my perspective—and I'm not calling anyone in particular out—video game folks seem a lot more sensitive when it comes to a difference of opinions. With some of these people, there's a belief that if you say something they disagree with, you're tacitly implying any other opinion is false and bad. So, when it comes to the video game stuff I do, I have people often letting me know they disagree with me, as if I had somehow established my opinion as some universal truth.

I'm not sure what it is about video games, but this subject matter makes people especially cranky. I podcast about a lot of things and the feedback is almost universally positive compared to the comments I get on Retronauts. Even with us trying to be EXTREMELY polite about why we dislike Sonic, I still saw people congratulating Ray for "talking sense into me" or whatever.
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I think it's gotten a little too commonplace with people stating their opinions as facts combined with a general love of hyperbolic language, not counting the times when people explicitly insult each other's tastes. There's a big difference between saying, for example, "I don't like Monster Hunter's camera" and saying "Monster Hunter's camera is shit". I think it results in people going on the defensive about their tastes preemptively when they enter discussions because they've gotten used to disagreements being implicit attacks. That's why I always try to be careful to use qualifiers like "I think" or "in my opinion". Sure, that may be implied already, but I don't want to come off like I don't think their tastes are valid.
 
Syril said:
I think it's gotten a little too commonplace with people stating their opinions as facts combined with a general love of hyperbolic language, not counting the times when people explicitly insult each other's tastes. There's a big difference between saying, for example, "I don't like Monster Hunter's camera" and saying "Monster Hunter's camera is shit". I think it results in people going on the defensive about their tastes preemptively when they enter discussions because they've gotten used to disagreements being implicit attacks. That's why I always try to be careful to use qualifiers like "I think" or "in my opinion". Sure, that may be implied already, but I don't want to come off like I don't think their tastes are valid.
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I dunno, I think it's more reasonable to ask people to detach their egos from video games than to qualify every single opinion with an explicit "I think" or "I feel."
 
I really enjoyed the Sonic episode; there was a good range of perspectives: a Sega kid, Nintendo kids and some neutral as well.

It seems a bit juvenile to point out which console people grew up with, but our brains are so malleable as children that you can bet your bottom dollar that all those TV commercials and magazine subscriptions (especially in the case of Nintendo Power) reprogrammed some of our brains on a deep, emotional level that is impossible to shake. Coupled with the fact that we were playing these games for the first time and without a care in the world (hopefully, or at least using them as comfort), it's important to acknowledge that these things shape our opinions of games to this day.

Sega kids liked being the scrappy underdog and pointing out all the ways Nintendo were conservative and controlling. They prefered creativity over polish (see: Sonic the Hedgehog).

Nintendo kids liked to see themselves as gaming connoisseurs, with their console-focused experiences providing deeper games.

Both can be insufferable and both subconsciously rear their ugly head to this day, on Retronauts and all gaming podcasts, but it's OK so long as we acknowledge it. Objectivity in video games doesn't exist, and Retronauts would be extremely boring if it did.
 
Sega was kinda fooled into thinking that fans just wanted Sonic to go fast during the Dreamcast era. Must have been from not making a Sonic game since the mid 90's that screwed them up.

A classic game where it is fun to master just holding right and jumping at the right time better describes Super Mario Bros. 3 than any early Sonic game. Don't get me wrong, SMB3 is way better than any Sonic but for the most part it is less methodical and labyrinthine than Sonic is, save for a few puzzle courses.
 
Fenster Mayhew said:
I dunno, I think it's more reasonable to ask people to detach their egos from video games than to qualify every single opinion with an explicit "I think" or "I feel."
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Yeah, I guess it's more just the way I act in forums, since things can feel tense sometimes when it comes to disagreeing with a consensus. I guess it's different with podcasts, where people are listening to you presumably because they wanted to hear your opinions in the first place.
 
Fenster Mayhew said:
From my perspective—and I'm not calling anyone in particular out—video game folks seem a lot more sensitive when it comes to a difference of opinions. With some of these people, there's a belief that if you say something they disagree with, you're tacitly implying any other opinion is false and bad. So, when it comes to the video game stuff I do, I have people often letting me know they disagree with me, as if I had somehow established my opinion as some universal truth.

I'm not sure what it is about video games, but this subject matter makes people especially cranky. I podcast about a lot of things and the feedback is almost universally positive compared to the comments I get on Retronauts. Even with us trying to be EXTREMELY polite about why we dislike Sonic, I still saw people congratulating Ray for "talking sense into me" or whatever.
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For my part, I've tried to have a pretty reasonable or even open-minded set of responses for people who have differing opinions on games and systems. But for me, after Atari 2600, I moved over to Commodore 64 and stuck with that all through those first Console Wars, getting a Mega Drive way after the fact.

Orient has a great point and weirdly I feel like I missed out on a lot of the early video game... binary passion?... that you see with fanboyism. I guess Loadstar didn't generate the same emotional resonance as Nintendo Power. I believe I was on TrekWeb at the time, arguing unsuccessfully that people micro-analyzed Voyager and Captain Janeway specifically because of gender bias.

Where I have gone off, I suppose, is when I felt criticism has been leveled at people, as opposed to games. It always feels unfair to me--I recoil the way I did when that assassination-interview with Peter Molyneaux appeared. People make mistakes and have feelings; are growing, learning, changing; contain multitudes, and can surprise you. Most people on this Earth mean well, and have regrets, both.

I certainly list myself among that group.
 
Just had a chance to listen to the DK and Sonic episode. I was expecting DK to go Kid Stuff Records as the music with the but DK64 fitted better with what was said in the episode.

As for Sonic. As was wanted; my brother and I got stuck on the carnival night barrel. Some of the magazines at the time (but not all) said what to do in their walkthroughs but we did not have those magazines so my brother had to ring some expensive Sonic helpline and going through about 3 minutes of stuff (they started at carnival night thankfully) until they got to the barrel.

A random thing missed regarding Super Sonic. Sonic 1 only had 6 chaos emeralds so I guess the 7th was basically added for the sake of the BDZ homage/reference (which given the games being developed in America which lacked DBZ seems odd) and now you get into the rabbit hole of the Master System games only having 6 emeralds and colours and appearance being inconsistent.
 
bigkrev said:
We are $97 dollars away from the Patreon goal of getting weekly episodes!!!!!!!!!
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The holiday special compared the Pac-Man cartoon to Dark Souls, which I think means we have to retire Dark Souls comparison gaming-wide. It's like Wayne Gretzky.
 
Just drove 900 miles to visit family for the holidays and my backlog of retronaut episodes kept me entertained the entire way. Thank god for the retronauts and their shaky armistice with sonic fans, as well as their protracted war with the virtual console.
 
Great to hear an episode on Bubble Bobble, one of my favorite games.

Though the NES is a lot different and easier than the arcade version. I remember the rude awakening of finding out you cannot escape pits the width of your character in the arcade version once I switched over.

Makes the final levels and getting the damn crystal on 99 even more enraging.
 
Jeremy said he hadn't played Bubble Bobble until 10 or so years ago, but on an old episode Jeremy told a story (which Sharkey suggested Parish had stolen from him) about playing it co-op with a girlfriend on a date when he was young.

Subscription cancelled. #dontbelievehislies
 
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Guess we are getting another FFIV episode... the one that came out around the time of the PSP re-release was what inspired me to buy that and finally play FF4
 
.JayZii said:
Jeremy said he hadn't played Bubble Bobble until 10 or so years ago, but on an old episode Jeremy told a story (which Sharkey suggested Parish had stolen from him) about playing it co-op with a girlfriend on a date when he was young.

Subscription cancelled. #dontbelievehislies
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Isn't Jeremy in his early 40s? I'm 41, and I can't remember if I may have played a particular game 25 years ago. Cut the guy some slack.
 
Time is an illusion, anyway. A human construct to rationalize our mortality...

...and also with which to create a threshold at which we can acceptably deem a topic "retro" and talk about it on the show.
 
I've already reported Jeremy to the Podcasting Ethics Committee and can assure you he'll receive a full, brutal takedown on Heat Street sometime this week.
 
bluenote said:
Isn't Jeremy in his early 40s? I'm 41, and I can't remember if I may have played a particular game 25 years ago. Cut the guy some slack.
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I may have been joking.

Your critique has been noted. I'll report back when I have more information on what I meant.
 
SonicMegaDrive said:
Sad that Kohler isn't on the Sonic episode. That's like his mostest favoritest game ever. ;)
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I have recently been replaying Sonic Adventure on Dreamcast and have been using Kohler's excellent walkthrough on GameFAQs (https://www.gamefaqs.com/dreamcast/198694-sonic-adventure/faqs/2654). Let the record show that in the intro to that guide, he wrote:
My name is Chris Kohler. I've been a long time console gamer, a die-hard Sonic fan and a proud early adopter of Sega's Dreamcast console. I've created this FAQ to be the end-all reference for this masterpiece of a game. Creating it took quite a while, but believe me, it was a labor of love.
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So despite his reputation on Retronauts as the resident Sega and Sonic hater, he does have some love for Sonic and his shitty friends in his heart.
 
FN-2187 said:
So despite his reputation on Retronauts as the resident Sega and Sonic hater, he does have some love for Sonic and his shitty friends in his heart.
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Thank you for so bravely standing up for me!

Unfortunately that's a different guy named Chris Kohler. (I did buy a Dreamcast on day one, though.)

But I don't "hate Sonic" and I certainly don't "hate Sega." I think the original Sonic the Hedgehog is the single most overrated game of all time. I think it's an okay game, but I think the gulf between its Just Okayness and its reputation (then and now) is staggering. And the whole idea of an entertainment podcast like this is for us to introduce those competing ideas and have a robust debate about them. My response in real life when someone says they like Sonic is usually "Cool."
 
Kobun Heat said:
Unfortunately that's a different guy named Chris Kohler. (I did buy a Dreamcast on day one, though.)
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Darn, I should have guessed that! It didn't sound like something you would write, but I thought maybe you wrote that guide when you were a teenager or something (which would have explained the different tone and enthusiasm).
 
I never played Bart Vs The Spacemutants. My first Simpsons game was Bart's Nightmare.

The worst Simpsons game I played was Itchy and Scratchy Land on my old Nokia dumbphone.

You went into multiple areas(unnecessary surgery land, searing gass pain land etc) and just walked avoiding obstacles.

Occasionally there would be a minefield and instead of avoiding the mines, you had to get blown up by them in the right way and have the expositions move you through the field to the other side.

There was also bowling ball sections where you had to bowl a strike(re smash through a fence) while avoiding obstacles. And finally there was slingshot areas with Bart.

It was so dull. I beat it once, and there was a secret ending if you rescued all of the simpsons characters but I never did it. Probably sucked anyway.
 
I like the insight Parish is bringing to the game music podcast. It plays to his strengths. Way better than the past retronauts micros done on game music.

He could cover the same ground as the Legacy Music Hour, my go-to game music podcast, and I'd listen because it's a totally different take.

Thoough record collecting was supposed to be my cheap hobby, picking up whatever records I find at flea markets and garage sales for $1

Stuff like this tempts me to spend cash.
 
Jeremy, that must have been one of the best Retronauts episodes ever. Keep 'em coming. Also, make it not only about recent releases, but gems from the past too. Do one of the many releases and remixes of the The World Ends With You soundtracks next!
 
I really enjoyed the Retronauts Radio episode too. But I'm still hoping for that Mitsuda episode to follow up the Uematsu one with the Chris Kohler and Kat Bailey panel.
 
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