Dude could just know somebody. You said you moved over to the new location so he might have better relationships with the people there or has dirt on somebody.
This too.
This too.
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Reverse racial discrimination - paging Lawyer-GAF
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DigitalDevil
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This is likely, unfortunately. I'm not a kiss ass... maybe I should learn to be one.
Skellig Gra
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This is literally step one of getting ahead in basically any environment.
What's reverse racial discrimination?
Sounds like the best course of action, definitely give that a shot.
Skellig Gra
Member
Basically affirmative action (in the OP's mind anyway).
Dude Abides
Banned
It is rarely worth filing an EEOC complaint (the first step in an anti-discrimination action) unless you've been fired and have nothing to lose.
Vicetrailia
Banned
Everyone has their moments though, haha.
LyleLanley
Banned
It might be a pretty good explanation for why the OP didn't get the job.
JasonUresti
Member
Or maybe the OP is exactly right, and you guys are all to PC to entertain the thought?
It's impossible to say given the info, but it is not unreasonable to think that management saw a black employee with more seniority and a history of crying racism when things didn't go as he felt they should, and a younger, seemingly much more docile and submissive white guy with less seniority. Looking at the two, it's an easy call on who be less likely to raise a stink over a title demotion.
It's also very likely just a question of the connections the other guy had to. In either case, the guy was passed over for reasons other than job performance.
It's impossible to say given the info, but it is not unreasonable to think that management saw a black employee with more seniority and a history of crying racism when things didn't go as he felt they should, and a younger, seemingly much more docile and submissive white guy with less seniority. Looking at the two, it's an easy call on who be less likely to raise a stink over a title demotion.
It's also very likely just a question of the connections the other guy had to. In either case, the guy was passed over for reasons other than job performance.
Bay Maximus
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First of all make sure you're polishing off your resume regularly because it sounds like your company is going through some tough times. And I can't answer your first question because I'm not your boss but maybe the other guy has better connections with the higher-ups there because he has been working at that facility longer. Maybe they just don't like you for some reason. Does he hold an advanced degree? I'd recommend doing some politicking and building rapport with the big wigs and getting yourself some solid answers. That would probably go better than throwing a flimsy lawsuit around.
samus i am
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You are only complaining because he's black. If it was a woman you would use that as an excuse. Stop the excuses and just face facts, it's not your company and you are entitled to NOTHING. They probably just don't like you.
GoldenEye 007
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Seems like a wonderful way to run a company. Screw performance!
ok, may be this is not the case of kiss-assery, but attitudes problem.
samus i am
Member
That's how things work in the real world.
GoldenEye 007
Member
I know. Probably why things are running into the ground!
Bay Maximus
Banned
You should learn that your superiors loving you or hating your guts can spell the difference between happiness and torment. Or you can keep playing cocky bad-ass and congratulating others on their promotions. Your choice.
GotEmRunnin
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This is nothing more than cost reduction OP. The black guy's numbers may be lower than yours but he's obviously meeting whatever internal goals the company has in place, while you exceeded them.
Also; don't think of this situation as reverse racism think of yourself as black a man in the white man's job market.
Also; don't think of this situation as reverse racism think of yourself as black a man in the white man's job market.
May be the other dude is a pleasant company and created a good working environment? I don't know. I think it'd be worse if you hired or fired people based solely on numbers.
Came to say this. Please don't say things like reverse racism or reverse sexism.
You are paying the price for others' transgressions which most likely happened sometime between last week and the last 200+ years. Affirmative Action go go!
poppabk
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I would say that it is making decisions based on race in a manner that is expected to counter the effects of racial discrimination. It's another term for positive discrimination or affirmative action but the 'reverse' language is generally used to describe it at the individual level rather than the macro level.
Sho_Nuff82
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There's a pretty decent chance that he might just be a really nice guy or he knows someone higher up in the company better than you. It's going to be pretty hard to show racial bias if he's one of only a handful of black employees in the entire company.
That's when you deny someone something based on their race...while walking backwards, I think.
Castor Krieg
Banned
How do you know he was under-performing? Are performance indicators public in your company and you can compare yourself to him? Maybe pure on-the-job performance was one of many factors? If you are uncomfortable approach HR first, do not be a douche and file a suit straight away.
In good companies they don't.
crimzonflame
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Negroidal biases
CrushDance
Banned
I hope this doesn't imply what I think it does. But besides that. "Life is unfair". All sorts of people get passed over for positions that they'd be excellent at because of various factors. If it wasn't this black man, it could have been someone more friendlier with the boss, a friend from when he was young, a favour to a person, a distant relative, etc. Point is, there are always many factors into job placement.
Personally, I've been passed over once and it was for a large nationwide position. The role went to some lady who always raged and nobody liked at all. It wouldn't have stung so bad if her job performance hadn't been so terrible though. Eventually I confronted management about it and they kissed my ass about how great I was but that things just turned out that way. Not an explanation that I was happy with and so I bailed to elsewhere.
Sure. My first thoughts were of anger, jealousy and disbelief. Finally followed by stupidity when I began thinking it was because she was simply a woman. But the fact of the matter is that she got promoted and I didn't. Everyone in the office was shocked and rumours spread as they usually do, but saying that X got such and such because they're Y without any fact; isn't doing oneself any favours. You look like a jerk and curb your own personal development by throwing the towel in, instead of improving yourself.
Fact. Couldn't have been anything else...
Edit: Look. We all know that bias goes both ways in all walks of life. The reason for AA was to give minorities the same chances at positions that the majority held to themselves and passed down. If there were no bias, there wouldn't be such a system to begin with. But the truth is that we all have people in our minds who are closer to us than others, and people who we would be more likely to pass on wealth in a multitude of ways too. Or are we going to say that every person who has ever held any position has been the best and most suited for it? Politics are a part of the workplace. The numbers you bring mean shit all if they simply don't want you. I feel for you OP. But you won't be doing anyone else or yourself any favours by dwelling on this. Find another job first if you can and then bring it up and see what happens.
samus i am
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Sarcasm?
The Incarnation
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I'm thinking that it's something like Booker T's Spinaroonie. It was the first image that came to mind.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Please, tell me more about this scary black man stealing jobs from scared white folks.
Devolution
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So the guy got promoted because he's black despite you only having sales numbers and no other info about his job performance in comparison to yours? Uh huh.
Racism is a one way street, so only white people can be racist. When white people are affected by racism, it's not called racism, it's called reversed racial discrimination. Trust me, I'm a scientist.
Yeah... no. Reverse racial discrimination and reverse racism aren't real things. Racism is racism, white people don't get a special type of racism just because it's directed at them.
Reverse racism implies that the only proper racism is towards non-whites.
Affirmative actions is most certainly not a form of racism... by the way.
I'll use the opportunity to, again, point out that the OP was passed over twice here. There were three managers and one opening -- one kept his job, the black guy was relocated, and the OP was demoted under the first guy. The OP apparently only has a problem with being passed over by the black guy who was relocated
DigitalDevil
Member
Bingo.
wtf is this?
Bango
MorisUkunRasik
Member
Maybe they don't like you.
CrushDance
Banned
There are three posts in this thread that I was seriously hoping were from reasonable people. So much for that.
It sounded like he just wanted to move to the new place more so to me. But I don't really care any more considering where this thread is going.
DigitalDevil
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I'm not trying to be cocky. I just happen to think performance should be the key player in decisions that set my career back five years or more. And that is what is so frustrating about this. I have never had any issues getting along with my bosses in the past, they have all loved me because of my loyalty and work ethic. These guys have only been around since 2011, so now all of a sudden instead of, you know, doing my job well, I have to play 90210 to stay relevant? What the fuck.
cutmeamango
Banned
So.....
I work for a relatively large company.
I am a mid level manager, and African-descendant.
I've always been a performer, never been written up, even earned an award in January for being the top performing manager in the state last year.
That's being said, they closed my branch at the end of the 2011 and moved me into a larger facility in the same capacity. There are three managers in this branch with the same title.
Two weeks ago, I was demoted a step down the management lines due to a "re-structuring". One of the other managers in my office was unaffected, the other moved to another location in the same capacity. They made it clear that I wasn't being demoted for performance reasons, but rather budgetary ones.
My problem is this, the manager that moved, a white man, WAS underperforming. His numberes weren't even approaching what they should have been, and yet, his job is secure. So I have to ask.... Why me? Highest performing manager in the region last year, consistent performer year after year in profit and expense control, well liked throughout my area.
I know it isn't appropriate to jump to the "race card", especially being a african man, but this individual has supposedly pulled it out in the past and regularly makes comments about "that's because I'm privileged, isn't it?"
Seeing as how our company isn't the best on documenting performance related issues, I'm just wondering; was the decision to demote me versus this other guy based, at least partially, on the lessened potential of a legal/human resource reaction? If so, can I do anything about it?
And even if I can, SHOULD I? It would certainly mean the end of my career with this company as I would be committing political suicide, but my wife wants me to quit anyway.
What say you?
I work for a relatively large company.
I am a mid level manager, and African-descendant.
I've always been a performer, never been written up, even earned an award in January for being the top performing manager in the state last year.
That's being said, they closed my branch at the end of the 2011 and moved me into a larger facility in the same capacity. There are three managers in this branch with the same title.
Two weeks ago, I was demoted a step down the management lines due to a "re-structuring". One of the other managers in my office was unaffected, the other moved to another location in the same capacity. They made it clear that I wasn't being demoted for performance reasons, but rather budgetary ones.
My problem is this, the manager that moved, a white man, WAS underperforming. His numberes weren't even approaching what they should have been, and yet, his job is secure. So I have to ask.... Why me? Highest performing manager in the region last year, consistent performer year after year in profit and expense control, well liked throughout my area.
I know it isn't appropriate to jump to the "race card", especially being a african man, but this individual has supposedly pulled it out in the past and regularly makes comments about "that's because I'm privileged, isn't it?"
Seeing as how our company isn't the best on documenting performance related issues, I'm just wondering; was the decision to demote me versus this other guy based, at least partially, on the lessened potential of a legal/human resource reaction? If so, can I do anything about it?
And even if I can, SHOULD I? It would certainly mean the end of my career with this company as I would be committing political suicide, but my wife wants me to quit anyway.
What say you?
CrushDance
Banned
Don't be a docile black man. Be an angry black man!...wait...
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